calcio, is it really boring?? (1 Viewer)

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
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#45
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
Okocha is all i can think of.
The style in England means not often will someone play in that typical playmaker role. In england most play making is from the wings and forwards dropping back.

But that dosent mean there hasnt been great playmakers and a great playmaker cant make it in england.

Maybe not the south americans because they gear the entire team around that one player. They cant play anywhere else apart from that role.

Though you want some names of great playmakers? George Best - Giggs. Gullit - Zola. Take your pick there are loads.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#46
Actually saying that natural playmakers in general do not succeed in the EPL is not a fair statement, however it's obviously not suited for them. South American players in general do not succeed either, however you could argue that Nolberto Solano and Gilberto Silva are not that bad.

What I find interesting is the numbers of South American players in the EPL compared to the numbers in Spain and Italy, and how many actually make an impact.
 
Jan 7, 2004
29,704
#47
is seria a boring ?

its all about taste. i have been watching seria a for 7 years now and even though it is not the same one when the 7 sisters were there, it is still my favourite league (notice, not the best league)

i dont know what it is that people see in the epl, every time i see a game its always the same game with a crappy defence.

seria a has to fix its stadiums and they will be back in #1
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++

Though you want some names of great playmakers? George Best - Giggs. Gullit - Zola. Take your pick there are loads.
I think Zola is more of a support striker, not a natural playmaker. Ryan Giggs is a pure left winger.
 

Dan

Back & Quack
Mar 9, 2004
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#49
++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


The style in England means not often will someone play in that typical playmaker role. In england most play making is from the wings and forwards dropping back.

But that dosent mean there hasnt been great playmakers and a great playmaker cant make it in england.

Maybe not the south americans because they gear the entire team around that one player. They cant play anywhere else apart from that role.

Though you want some names of great playmakers? George Best - Giggs. Gullit - Zola. Take your pick there are loads.
Giggs is much more of a winger as Zola is a forward player. If we include wingers who create, i would say Duff and Robben are playmakers.
 

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
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#50
imo that reflects on there lack of work rate and flexibility as much as anything else. They can only and usually demand to play in that position.

If Joe Cole was south american, they would have made him into a great playmaker. Thats all they do though, make some playmakers :D
 

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
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#51
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


Giggs is much more of a winger as Zola is a forward player. If we include wingers who create, i would say Duff and Robben are playmakers.
Giggs back in the day played behind the forwards many times. Giggs came in from the wing right to the centre where your playmakers would be and did everything. Giggs was amazing, to bad he lost it, he would have been a great.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#52
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If Joe Cole was south american, they would have made him into a great playmaker. Thats all they do though, make some playmakers :D
They also consistently develop some of the best players in the world. Lets also not forget about their World Cup record as well. :groan:
 
Jan 7, 2004
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#53
++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++
imo that reflects on there lack of work rate and flexibility as much as anything else. They can only and usually demand to play in that position.

If Joe Cole was south american, they would have made him into a great playmaker. Thats all they do though, make some playmakers :D

if bojinov was english he would have been the most expenssive teenager
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#55
++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


Giggs back in the day played behind the forwards many times. Giggs came in from the wing right to the centre where your playmakers would be and did everything. Giggs was amazing, to bad he lost it, he would have been a great.
Giggs is not a natural playmaker. Just because you put a player in that role does not mean he actually turns into one. Nedved was converted into a schemer, but he is certainly not a natural playmaker.
 

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
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#56
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Giggs is not a natural playmaker. Just because you put a player in that role does not mean he actually turns into one. Nedved was converted into a schemer, but he is certainly not a natural playmaker.
I guess you didnt see early Ryan Giggs. Because thats exactly what he was. Playing from the left, the centre and even the right it dosent matter. He worked more, covered more pitch, set up more goals and changed more matches than any 'natural' playmaker you mention. They didnt call him the new George Best for nothing.

Isnt a playmaker? Whatever thats just a name. Give them out as you will.

Dont even get me started on George Best.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#57
++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


I guess you didnt see early Ryan Giggs. Because thats exactly what he was. Playing from the left, the centre and even the right it dosent matter. He worked more, covered more pitch, set up more goals and changed more matches than any 'natural' playmaker you mention. They didnt call him the new George Best for nothing.
I just do not see Giggs as a natural playmaker. Maybe we have different definitions of the term, however to me a playmaker has brilliant vision and a great passing range, technically sound with loads of creativity. Playmakers in my book are able to slow down the pace of play when needed or speed it up at the right time, controlling the "flow" of the team. With all due respect to Giggs I only see him trying to speed the game up, bursting through opposing defenses with his pace. I also do not see Giggs dropping back deep in midfield, taking the ball and making incisive passes. To me Giggs looks like the prototypical #11 left winger, who has brilliant pace and likes to take on players rather than control the match with his passing range. Giggs is not a natural playmaker in my book; he's an all action winger.
 

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
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#58
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I just do not see Giggs as a natural playmaker. Maybe we have different definitions of the term, however to me a playmaker has brilliant vision and a great passing range, technically sound with loads of creativity. Playmakers in my book are able to slow down the pace of play when needed or speed it up at the right time, controlling the "flow" of the team. With all due respect to Giggs I only see him trying to speed the game up, bursting through opposing defenses with his pace. I also do not see Giggs dropping back deep in midfield, taking the ball and making incisive passes. To me Giggs looks like the prototypical #11 left winger, who has brilliant pace and likes to take on players rather than control the match with his passing range. Giggs is not a natural playmaker in my book; he's an all action winger.
Yeah I dont think hes a natural playmaker either. But a playmaker none the less. And I mean earlier in his career, not now. Right now hes a second rate winger.
 

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