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Good point, in normal countries. In Italian sporting tribune opinions prevailing in public heavily influence verdicts. You have a statement of one of Calciopolli judges that their decision was founded on geneneral sentiment of the people. They talked and listened to what people said at that time and made their decision to demote us.
City's statement regarding their supposed financial wrongdoing is rather meek as well: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-ffp-allegations-ownership-b2276638.html
You have people here who want our board members to come out screaming, to cry and declare their innocence every change they get. That's simply not how any of this works. You shut up and focus on your defence. The more you say, the worse you look in papers and on tv. Not to mention that it might lead to harsher penalties, if you are found guilty in the end. There's simply not really anything to gain from it.
But take my words with a pinch of salt. Because I do not have the extensive legal experience that Badass clearly does have.
And yes, legal experience matters.
Take a look at this quote, that is supposed to make us look bad:
"Our worst earns as much as Atalanta's best. Zapata gets €1.8m… if we bought a dog, we would give him €3.5m. We were arrogant in the market, because the Fabio of five years earlier didn’t sign Higuain for €90m, he signed Gabriel Jesus for €10m, and made him a €90m.” .
But the thing is, it makes us look good.
Because it shows we are worried about the money we are spending and we think we are overpaying our players. If we're cooking the books, we wouldn't be worried.
You have people here who want our board members to come out screaming, to cry and declare their innocence every change they get. That's simply not how any of this works. You shut up and focus on your defence. The more you say, the worse you look in papers and on tv. Not to mention that it might lead to harsher penalties, if you are found guilty in the end. There's simply not really anything to gain from it.
But take my words with a pinch of salt. Because I do not have the extensive legal experience that Badass clearly does have.
And yes, legal experience matters.
Take a look at this quote, that is supposed to make us look bad:
"Our worst earns as much as Atalanta's best. Zapata gets €1.8m… if we bought a dog, we would give him €3.5m. We were arrogant in the market, because the Fabio of five years earlier didn’t sign Higuain for €90m, he signed Gabriel Jesus for €10m, and made him a €90m.” .
But the thing is, it makes us look good.
Because it shows we are worried about the money we are spending and we think we are overpaying our players. If we're cooking the books, we wouldn't be worried.
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And what do you suppose we do when the figc and coni decide to fuck us over some more because we didn't expose the rotten corruption in the sporting justice system? The way I see it is the fans and the power of social media are the ones doing that whilst the clubs management are happy for the sporting system to continuously sling mud at us? We already appear weak to them because we've kept quiet and if it's true that we are even willing to settle on a lesser point deduction based on the plus valenza case then it's game over as far as I'm concerned and my worst suspicions have been confirmed.
As I've said before we can take it to a civil court but they can't revert any sporting punishments I.e. point deductions etc... that was pointed out in 2006 l, they'll only clear our name on paper but ultimately the damage is already done by then
As I've said before we can take it to a civil court but they can't revert any sporting punishments I.e. point deductions etc... that was pointed out in 2006 l, they'll only clear our name on paper but ultimately the damage is already done by then
I want you to very carefully read what you wrote.
Then I want you to explain to me on what grounds you have come to the following assumptions:
- FIGC and CONI decided to fuck us over.
- There is rotten corruption in the sporting justice system.
- Juventus have knowledge of this corruption and do not want to expose it.
- Juventus have no issue with said corrupted sporting justice system "throwing mud".
- Juventus appear weak, because they have not commented so far.
- Juventus are willing to settle for a lesser point deduction with regards to the plusvalenza case.
I do not know whether or not these assumptions are true or false. I do not have enough information to know.
I'm asking you to give me the information you're basing these assumptions on.
Then I want you to explain to me on what grounds you have come to the following assumptions:
- FIGC and CONI decided to fuck us over.
- There is rotten corruption in the sporting justice system.
- Juventus have knowledge of this corruption and do not want to expose it.
- Juventus have no issue with said corrupted sporting justice system "throwing mud".
- Juventus appear weak, because they have not commented so far.
- Juventus are willing to settle for a lesser point deduction with regards to the plusvalenza case.
I do not know whether or not these assumptions are true or false. I do not have enough information to know.
I'm asking you to give me the information you're basing these assumptions on.
It's simple we are being punished for a law that doesn't exist for one. A imaginary punishment issued by self proclaimed anti Juventini prosecutors and judges, its common knowledge exposed by the fans of Juventus through social media
Calvo (our own commercial manager) has already said the words used by Santorellio one of the prosecutors who in a 4 hour video stated his anti Juve feelings was out of context
Is that enough already?? Sure nothing to see here apparently.
Calvo (our own commercial manager) has already said the words used by Santorellio one of the prosecutors who in a 4 hour video stated his anti Juve feelings was out of context
Is that enough already?? Sure nothing to see here apparently.
There are no laws on plus valenza - fact
We've been punished for a non existing law - fact
We are the only club punished for a supposed crime which involves other parties - fact
The prosecutors claimed we created a plus valenza system as justification to punish - how is that even possible?
The prosecutors and judges have posted and even gone public with their anti Juve feelings - fact
It's all over their social media accounts, even just searching their names posted on the figc and coni website they have twitter and Facebook accounts posting such sentiments - fact
It's not rocket science
We've been punished for a non existing law - fact
We are the only club punished for a supposed crime which involves other parties - fact
The prosecutors claimed we created a plus valenza system as justification to punish - how is that even possible?
The prosecutors and judges have posted and even gone public with their anti Juve feelings - fact
It's all over their social media accounts, even just searching their names posted on the figc and coni website they have twitter and Facebook accounts posting such sentiments - fact
It's not rocket science
It certainly appears to be for you.
What you are writing here is different to what you wrote above.
Also, it's not so much that we have been punished for violating a law that previously did not exist as it is the fact they cannot even clearly state what it is we are being punished for. This is step 1. At the very least the prosecution should state in very clear terms what we are being accused of.
What you are writing here is different to what you wrote above.
Also, it's not so much that we have been punished for violating a law that previously did not exist as it is the fact they cannot even clearly state what it is we are being punished for. This is step 1. At the very least the prosecution should state in very clear terms what we are being accused of.
I think it's all going to end with -9 or something.
Clearly they won't want to declare Juventus innocent, because that would make them look like complete idiots. But the investigation has been anything but impartial and with several 'judges' coming under scrutiny I don't think they will want to push through and really hurt Juventus.
Clearly they won't want to declare Juventus innocent, because that would make them look like complete idiots. But the investigation has been anything but impartial and with several 'judges' coming under scrutiny I don't think they will want to push through and really hurt Juventus.