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but honestly even if we had an agreement with players how is that a fault for sportive justice?
Even consob we might have made a mistake but that should ammount to a fine for juventus and manager involved.
I don't really get how this shit is getting so hyped that we should get an heavier punishment than what they dished us out for plusvalenze.
Which again were not illegal....
Honestly this all look like a machination to fuck us up for SL thing cause honestly I can't see anything worth 15points deduction + what they wanna do for wages thing
Even consob we might have made a mistake but that should ammount to a fine for juventus and manager involved.
I don't really get how this shit is getting so hyped that we should get an heavier punishment than what they dished us out for plusvalenze.
Which again were not illegal....
Honestly this all look like a machination to fuck us up for SL thing cause honestly I can't see anything worth 15points deduction + what they wanna do for wages thing
This confirms what @Boksic said and that is minor offense, not worth the headlines. So how is this worth of points penalty at sporting tribune I fail to see. Our mgt should take Federation to the civil courts if they dock us more points. Its insane how everything is blown out of proportion.
Said this long time ago, I called this back then 'TSL tax'. You could clearly see it on the pitch where most decisions would go against us and the general animosity started to grow off the pitch too.
AA is a dumbfuck who made enemies everywhere which exposed the club a lot. The financial shit turned out to be our vulnerability because of pre-covid spending and now they're trying to milk it to the very last drop. Otherwise the rest of the league wouldn't be able to compete IMO.
AA is a dumbfuck who made enemies everywhere which exposed the club a lot. The financial shit turned out to be our vulnerability because of pre-covid spending and now they're trying to milk it to the very last drop. Otherwise the rest of the league wouldn't be able to compete IMO.
Article 31 which provides for points deduction is mainly related to false accounting.
The Italian FA has decided to open an investigation into the allegations that Juventus secretly paid players salaries in the early stages of the COVID pandemic.
The Bianconeri were previously in hot water for allegedly inflating players transfer values in order to help balance their books, but they were cleared of any sporting wrongdoing in April of this year. More concerning, however, is the suggestion that Juventus lied about suspending players salaries in the early months of the COVID pandemic back in 2020, allegedly paying their players under the table.
As reported by Sportface, the FIGC prosector has now opened an investigation into Juventus and any hidden player salary payments, which could see them in serious trouble.
According to Article No.31 of the Sporting Justice Code, the ‘falsification of accounting or administrative documents or any other illegal or evasive activity’ directly leading to the club’s registration for the Serie A season could cause a points deduction or even relegation.
Chairman Andrea Agnelli and the Juventus board of directors unexpectedly resigned on Monday and this situation is seemingly the root cause of that move.
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The Brazilian media is not as reliable as the Italian media.
The Italian FA has decided to open an investigation into the allegations that Juventus secretly paid players salaries in the early stages of the COVID pandemic.
The Bianconeri were previously in hot water for allegedly inflating players transfer values in order to help balance their books, but they were cleared of any sporting wrongdoing in April of this year. More concerning, however, is the suggestion that Juventus lied about suspending players salaries in the early months of the COVID pandemic back in 2020, allegedly paying their players under the table.
As reported by Sportface, the FIGC prosector has now opened an investigation into Juventus and any hidden player salary payments, which could see them in serious trouble.
According to Article No.31 of the Sporting Justice Code, the ‘falsification of accounting or administrative documents or any other illegal or evasive activity’ directly leading to the club’s registration for the Serie A season could cause a points deduction or even relegation.
Chairman Andrea Agnelli and the Juventus board of directors unexpectedly resigned on Monday and this situation is seemingly the root cause of that move.
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The Brazilian media is not as reliable as the Italian media.
It is important to which period cost refer to, which is derived from when a delivery of goods/services is done. Those salaries apparently belong to a previous fiscal, because players delivered their services then, regardless of when the actual payment is made, so accountants need to accrue it. But yeah, there are lot of costs moved over or push into current fiscal depending on how much taxes you want to pay. Thats why I said its not that a big of a deal.
but the point was that Serie A didn't restart until july which was when standard season as already over.
As our books and sporting season ends 30/06 where Serie A was off for Covid
I mean it was such a unpredictable thing and to punish us for it?
Inter didn't pay wages for 6months and had to wait for a loan to do so... but didn't get punished but sportive justice
As our books and sporting season ends 30/06 where Serie A was off for Covid
I mean it was such a unpredictable thing and to punish us for it?
Inter didn't pay wages for 6months and had to wait for a loan to do so... but didn't get punished but sportive justice
i think (again, i think, just a guess) that the problem is the following
- players gave up on 4 months of wages on paper, which is fine, the league had an agreement with the clubs about this
- players still got paid the next season
- and here's the catch, they got paid through bonuses and other titles which aren't in their regular contract
wages are wages, and wages must be paid as wages. i'm not entirely familiar with the italian tax system, you might have more info on this, but if you pay wages and other benefits to employees, those might be charged with different taxes (payroll, personal income tax) and social contributions, so you're not allowed to pay wages as anything else. it's one of the more serious tax offenses in hungary, and since the european taxation systems are heavily harmonized, i'd say that italy might have similar rules.
also, communicating that players are nice guys, they agreed to give up on wages worth 4 months, we'll be fine after covid, then still paying benefits worth 3 months of wages is not entirely in line with the transparency rules.
i think that the whole plusvalenza case is a 100% witch hunt and the penalty is a joke, but the salary case maneuver was a risk not worth taking. players should have been forced to give up on those wages like with every other club - or wages should have been accounted as wages. even a consultation with the league would have been useful, at least the club would have a document with a figc stamp and signature on it telling us how to proceed.
- players gave up on 4 months of wages on paper, which is fine, the league had an agreement with the clubs about this
- players still got paid the next season
- and here's the catch, they got paid through bonuses and other titles which aren't in their regular contract
wages are wages, and wages must be paid as wages. i'm not entirely familiar with the italian tax system, you might have more info on this, but if you pay wages and other benefits to employees, those might be charged with different taxes (payroll, personal income tax) and social contributions, so you're not allowed to pay wages as anything else. it's one of the more serious tax offenses in hungary, and since the european taxation systems are heavily harmonized, i'd say that italy might have similar rules.
also, communicating that players are nice guys, they agreed to give up on wages worth 4 months, we'll be fine after covid, then still paying benefits worth 3 months of wages is not entirely in line with the transparency rules.
i think that the whole plusvalenza case is a 100% witch hunt and the penalty is a joke, but the salary case maneuver was a risk not worth taking. players should have been forced to give up on those wages like with every other club - or wages should have been accounted as wages. even a consultation with the league would have been useful, at least the club would have a document with a figc stamp and signature on it telling us how to proceed.
