Board & Management (52 Viewers)

[kappa96]

we should've recieved fine, as well as the other teams, and not just those highlighted, because i'm pretty sure everyone else does it, bastoni deal for example.

in the end we got 15 pts deduction, others are fine, that's just stupid and sad. if they investigate other clubs, they will find similar or worse shit.

i remember seeing the list of those capital gains transfers or ours, and like 90 percent or more of transfers were done with italian clubs, usually some swap deals where both teams gain plusvalenza. if that really is the case, then how come only juve is sanctioned, and not the other teams, and there are many of them, in green. and ofc we're gonna have way more deals than others with our 23 setup.

not saying our execs are saints, they're assholes just like everyone in this league.

and lastly, how the fuck is someone going to say X player does not worth 2/5/10m with ongoing inflated market

this is all stupid and it makes me sick that we're in the middle of it

Because a judge apparently approved wire taps on our bozo leaders, for a supposed crime relating to book cooking and by doing so they somehow discovered, unintentionally "the black book of FP" which they used to dock points from us.
Our management, since Marotta left, has been comprised of total fools.

So since no other Seria a club had wire taps on it's leaders, no evidence to prosecute.
They can start looking for it, but I doubt anyone is supid enough to leave evidence trails now that we got punished for it.

 

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[Mark]

for what we did there's a rule that says the club should be fined.

should end there.

BUT they used rule 4, the one who can deduct points for unsportsman conduct.

They can't because there's already a rule existing for what we did.

BUT this is Italy so they'll do whatever they want.

 

[juve123]

"Juventus has committed a serious, repeated offence. The new deeds prove Juventus's intentionality," statement read.

"Unequivocal interceptions and evidence relating to interventions to hide documents or even manipulate invoices."

Those quacks cum judges took ten days to write all this bullshit.

 

[Mark]

others cleared because they only did it once is farcical.

 

[Mark]

The invoice thing is a paper sent to Marseille to correct some mistakes that were on them.
The ''book'' is only for reference. Cherubini wrote names and values of players. That's it.
No confessions here.

 

[Valerio.]

in fact it's rumored to be one single sheet of paper

it's not "rumored" it's a single A4 paper

 

[Scottish]

[stuff written in these brackets are my comments obvs]

pg 21

But today it is exactly such a factual picture that has radically changed. The new fact that was not previously known is precisely the unveiling of the intentionality underlying the alteration of the transfer operations and the relative values. The new fact - as effectively underlined by the Federal Prosecutor's Office - is the absence of any method of evaluating exchange operations and, instead, the presence of a fraudulent system from the outset (at least on the sporting level) that the Federal Court had not been able to know and in the light of which the decision must be different from the one hereby revoked.

A factual picture - the one just mentioned - demonstrated by the numerous declarations (deriving from wiretaps), documents and manuscripts from within FC Juventus SpA and which all have an "essentially confessional nature".

If anything, with a distinctive aggravating factor compared to any previous one: precisely with specific regard to FC Juventus SpA, the pervasiveness at every level of awareness of the artificiality of the company itself is striking mode of operation

From the sporting director at the time (Paratici) to his immediate collaborator at the time (Cherubini). From the chairman of the board of directors (Agnelli) to the entire board itself (cited as aware by Agnelli himself). Still up to the reference shareholder and the managing director (Arrivabene) and still passing through all the main executives, including those with financial and legal expertise

In some cases, with an all-round awareness of the artificiality of the operations being conducted. In other cases, with a more superficial awareness or perhaps even in good faith (we are also referring to the team coach) [ Dumbass Allegri not trusted with all the info they're saying lmao], but in any case able to make everyone say that they were directly or indirectly aware of a condition that was now out of control

We will also return to the available evidentiary material at the time of the rescission judgment. As far as is of interest in the rescission phase dealt with here, the reference to the most relevant demonstrative elements, also cited by the federal prosecutor, is certainly sufficient.

First of all is the disturbing "Black Book of FP" (ie Fabio Paratici). Such a document, it should be noted, has never been disowned by the editor (Federico Cherubini) and has been defended by FC Juventus SpA which, together with the aforementioned manager, has made it their own, only by proposing a different interpretation to that offered by the Federal Prosecutor's Office , claiming it was a normal work "note".

And it is clear that in writing the "Black Book of FP", Cherubini represented true facts that today can no longer be effectively denied.

It is for this reason that FC Juventus SpA's failure to disown the document and distance itself from it - regardless of any further relevance - has a devastating effect on sporting loyalty.

Tbh the AI translation made a mess and its impossible to read large passages

Pg 24:

The case of the exchange of players Akè/Tongya between FC Juventus SpA and Olympique de Marseille is striking. The operation, apparently built with independent contracts, is actually a real exchange and is described as follows by the internal emails:

"we exchange Tongya with Akè, both identical definitive transfers" . And to the request if “we have to condition them one to the other?” the answer is “we conditioned them to each other” . Even Olympique de Marseille repeatedly states that yes it is a cross-referenced and fully compensated transaction (all documents contained in file no. 7733488 sent to the Federal Prosecutor's Office from the Public Prosecutor's Office of Turin).

But the most significant point, with respect to the Olympique de Marseille affair, is that referable to billing. The invoice issued by Olympique De Marseille to FC Juventus SpA as recipient and with the reason for "compensation" of the exchange transaction is materially corrected in pen and "crossed out" everywhere and rewritten by FC Juventus SpA and returned to the sender asking for changes (document also contained in file no. 7733488 mentioned above). And this, to prevent it from being understood externally that the transaction was actually a mere exchange (ie barter) and certainly not made up of independent acts. [this seems like speculation to me]

The managers of FC Juventus SpA expressly say that it is necessary to avoid highlighting the compensation. As if to say [speculation again]- and it is the absorbing aspect for the purposes of the sporting process - that FC Juventus SpA was perfectly aware of the risk of having to apply IAS38, paragraph 45, and its approach was in the sense of preventing this from happening regardless of any actual applicability. So much so that the nature of the operation should not have emerged from the official billing documents. And it is also interesting to note how the directors of FC Juventus SpA even had to overcome an initial resistance from Olympique De Marseille in incorporating the corrections entered in pen by FC Juventus SpA, so much so as to force Olympique De Marseille to make a good faith appeal in the request that the wording "compensation" be maintained in the billing sent by it; and this, presumably [] because, precisely for Olympique De Marseille, IAS38, paragraph 45, or similar principle, was not in any case intended to apply and therefore the permutation nature, if it became transparent, was not detrimental.

Such a factual framework - to which we must add Consob resolution 22482/2022 of 10.19.2022 (to which we will return later) and we can also add references to the numerous notes and manuscripts internal to FC Juventus SpA, additional to the "Black Book of FP" (and from which it almost seems to emerge that"corrective measures" was a sort of specific definition of what was being said in recent years), or the so-called database of this company - is decisive for the purposes of the rescinding judgment.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The invoice thing is a paper sent to Marseille to correct some mistakes that were on them.
The ''book'' is only for reference. Cherubini wrote names and values of players. That's it.
No confessions here.

It's as if this book is this holy grail of player values

 

[Akshen]

for what we did there's a rule that says the club should be fined.

should end there.

BUT they used rule 4, the one who can deduct points for unsportsman conduct.

They can't because there's already a rule existing for what we did.

BUT this is Italy so they'll do whatever they want.

if its like that then we should win appeal easily.

 

[Mark]

if its like that then we should win appeal easily.

BUT

ITALY

 

[SaJuve]

Juve will accepts this and do nothing? Is there any reaction of the club?

 

[Mark]

It's as if this book is this holy grail of player values

I even have a book with player names, values, position, club names....

thankfully I,m not in Italy or I'll be arrested.

 

[Scottish]

BUT

ITALY

Mark, the document begins with a list of suspected offenses by Juve, Napoli, Pisa, Genoa, Pescara, Novara etc then it explains why the cases were thrown out, then why they were brought back.

Does it say anywhere anything about the other cases with the other teams? I don't have time to read any more.

 

[U Picciriddu]

for what we did there's a rule that says the club should be fined.

should end there.

BUT they used rule 4, the one who can deduct points for unsportsman conduct.

They can't because there's already a rule existing for what we did.

BUT this is Italy so they'll do whatever they want.

Art 4 is the new art 6

Fuck the FIGC, the court of sport justice and our previous board

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I don't give a shit about the reason, the real thing I want to know is what are we going to do about it now?

 

[s4tch]

The one he forgot at the restaurant?

no, it's one internal document compiled by cherubini listing the fuckups of paratici

and here you have @Valerio. confirming it's one single sheet called book by the press. a book contains much more felonies than a sheet, right?

 

[juve123]

FIGC: "The Juventus management tried to hide the transactions by correcting the invoices received "in pen".

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I even have a book with player names, values, position, club names....

thankfully I,m not in Italy or I'll be arrested.

I can imagine playing football manager in Italy is a criminal offence too.

 

[DAiDEViL]

no, it's one internal document compiled by cherubini listing the fuckups of paratici

and here you have @Valerio. confirming it's one single sheet called book by the press. a book contains much more felonies than a sheet, right?

Listing all of Tici's fuckups one one single sheet?

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

they distorted the league for this, bravo.

if the club is serious this gets thrown out the window, we sue them for severe reputational damages, and get these last 2 games back.