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Juventus will recover eventually. We get out of this stronger and more united. We have the best infrastructure in Italy, by far, and the largest fanbase. Other Italian clubs that have been parasiting on the back of our team, will crumble. I like the movement on social media our fans started. It seems 60k already cancelled subscription to Dazn and Sky streaming services. Burn the league to the ground, then move elsewhere, like Ligue 1. Or if we continue in Italy, build the league in a way it would guarantee fair treatment to everyone. Serie a without Juve is as relevant as Portuguese or Dutch one.
I understand your point, and I'm not saying it was a fair decision, regarding plusvalenza. I dont have info to evaluate this. All I'm saying it was blatant enough to catch the eyes. Also, not every Club has gone public in the stock Market - that comes with more accounting and transparency responsibility. The Arthur - Pjanic deal was too much. The Sturaro deal was pathetic.
So they did set themselves for the coup from the "system". My point is this isnt an artificially conveived way to punish the Club. Once again, they gave motive.
About calciopoli, even without match fixing, there was help from referees. I vaguely remember games that Juve was drawing or losing, and the added time was crazy. Or vice versa. As I said, there was a clear perception that there were indeed some sort of regular and unusual help from referees. Thats is as far as Im concerned.
Again, Im not saying calciopoli was fair. Its both factors: the Club setting itself up and not defending itself, and the corrupt system.
They did cheat, in some sense. Both Club and the "system" are solidary responsible for this. Both 100% responsible. It isnt mutuallly exclusive.. therefore I must say, none of this would happen if it wasnt for the Club itself.
So they did set themselves for the coup from the "system". My point is this isnt an artificially conveived way to punish the Club. Once again, they gave motive.
About calciopoli, even without match fixing, there was help from referees. I vaguely remember games that Juve was drawing or losing, and the added time was crazy. Or vice versa. As I said, there was a clear perception that there were indeed some sort of regular and unusual help from referees. Thats is as far as Im concerned.
Again, Im not saying calciopoli was fair. Its both factors: the Club setting itself up and not defending itself, and the corrupt system.
They did cheat, in some sense. Both Club and the "system" are solidary responsible for this. Both 100% responsible. It isnt mutuallly exclusive.. therefore I must say, none of this would happen if it wasnt for the Club itself.
To me, it appears that the club came out worse as compared to the directors. AA got a 2 year ban and the main culprit, Paatici, got 2.5 years.
The club got a 15-point deduction which in turn means that this season is most likely done for which in turn means no European football next season. We got maligned in the press. Our income is very likely going to be affected.
Not fair.
The club got a 15-point deduction which in turn means that this season is most likely done for which in turn means no European football next season. We got maligned in the press. Our income is very likely going to be affected.
Not fair.
way to set up your bubble
This doesn’t strike me as similar to calciopoli. We are not being demoted there shouldn’t be a mass sell off like 2006. There was a solid chance we were going to miss out on CL for long parts of this season and we could have still missed out on it if we continued playing poorly.
it’s also not like calciopoli in that the other clubs aren’t powerful like before. There is no prime minister involved or oil tycoon it’s primarily driven by financial authorities from outside football. Also the accusation is cooking books not cheating or refs. We can be okay doesn’t have to be total disaster
it’s also not like calciopoli in that the other clubs aren’t powerful like before. There is no prime minister involved or oil tycoon it’s primarily driven by financial authorities from outside football. Also the accusation is cooking books not cheating or refs. We can be okay doesn’t have to be total disaster
The reaction from Prem fans with the ESL announcement on social media and other platforms was the main reason it never went further and eventually collapsed.
Additionally, there was also support from mainstream media like Sky, BT that fueled the overwhelmingly negative reaction towards ESL and that hugely contributed to it's eventual demise.
Even if there's a big movement on social media from Juventus fans, the mainstream Italian media are not going to support that.
The most likely outcome that could happen is DAZN cancels it's contract with Serie A and takes it's business elsewhere.
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It's not a total disaster but it could spell huge economic repercussions for the league in terms of TV contracts and sponsorships.
You are left with a watered down version of the league that's already poor like the Portuguese league for example.
No one outside Italy is going to take the league seriously. Heck even Italians probably feel that way already.
Additionally, there was also support from mainstream media like Sky, BT that fueled the overwhelmingly negative reaction towards ESL and that hugely contributed to it's eventual demise.
Even if there's a big movement on social media from Juventus fans, the mainstream Italian media are not going to support that.
The most likely outcome that could happen is DAZN cancels it's contract with Serie A and takes it's business elsewhere.
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It's not a total disaster but it could spell huge economic repercussions for the league in terms of TV contracts and sponsorships.
You are left with a watered down version of the league that's already poor like the Portuguese league for example.
No one outside Italy is going to take the league seriously. Heck even Italians probably feel that way already.
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Are you assuming all who did similar manipulations in the league get punished? That’s unlikely because no one else is listed on the exchange as far as I know and no one else have wiretaps so it’ll be harder to prove this was done intentionally to mislead.
Supposing they do get some penalties, it’ll likely be lesser than ours given the smaller scale and at the end of the day If say Napoli gets docked points and misses top 4 Inter and Milan and Roma will not. The league wouldn’t be wiped out like 2006 because the whole legitimacy of the competition is not in question just accounting practices in some clubs.
I guess we’ll see what happens but my bet is this will make a bad financial crisis for Juve worse but at the end of the day we still generate substantially more revenue than anyone else.
the Deloitte money league thing said we make about 400 mill in revenues, a whole 100 milliom more than Inter and almost double Milan.
As long as we don’t get a multiple year ban from Europe and it’s just this one season I think we’ll survive. Also this time it won’t be inter or Milan buying up our stars if we do have to sell some they’re just as broke, EPL teams will be the ones that buy our stars
Supposing they do get some penalties, it’ll likely be lesser than ours given the smaller scale and at the end of the day If say Napoli gets docked points and misses top 4 Inter and Milan and Roma will not. The league wouldn’t be wiped out like 2006 because the whole legitimacy of the competition is not in question just accounting practices in some clubs.
I guess we’ll see what happens but my bet is this will make a bad financial crisis for Juve worse but at the end of the day we still generate substantially more revenue than anyone else.
the Deloitte money league thing said we make about 400 mill in revenues, a whole 100 milliom more than Inter and almost double Milan.
As long as we don’t get a multiple year ban from Europe and it’s just this one season I think we’ll survive. Also this time it won’t be inter or Milan buying up our stars if we do have to sell some they’re just as broke, EPL teams will be the ones that buy our stars
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Hopefully it's not the same, but this is just a start, don't forget that this plusvalenza casecwas labelled as an easy one before. The hard one is the Prisma case with salaries. If the penalties from this two cases cumulate and UEFA gives us 3 year ban, this might have a bigger impact than calciopoli. Also because Juve isn't as strong financially as back then.
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Totally agree and I just wonder if the club has any possibility to bring those guys to the court - after all when ur employee does a damage to ur Company u have some legal tools to punish him.
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Totally agree and I just wonder if the club has any possibility to bring those guys to the court - after all when ur employee does a damage to ur Company u have some legal tools to punish him.
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Id start with the wage bill and not the most valuable assets, we have a lot of fat to get rid of. Our highest earners are Pogba, Paredes, Rabiot, di Maria, Bonucci, Vlahovic, Woj, A.Sandro - for all I care all of them bar Dusan can leave for free, thats already a yearly 70-80m gross. Add Allegri and were approaching a 100
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I hope we take it to the highest levels possible. I hope they force the league to stop, UEFA bans Serie A, chaos reigns and we bring the rest of this rotten and putrid league down with us. They want us destroyed, they’ve been plotting this ever since we started pissing all over this league again after Farsopoli. Now we need to burn it all down.