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I don’t mind data driven decisions, but not watching a target is just… odd.
https://x.com/juvefcdotcom/status/1928857643084300427?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg
https://x.com/juvefcdotcom/status/1928857643084300427?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg
data in current football is important. klopp, guardiola, tuchel, even xabi alonso, or spalletti are known data nerds, so being one doesn't automatically scream loser
but players are people after all, and it's a team sport. you have to turn individuals into a team, and that doesn't work through data. the quote they chose is much more important than analytics: "Without the right players even the best coach in the world is useless. Conversations with players and spending hours with them off the field is essential." that's true.
but players are people after all, and it's a team sport. you have to turn individuals into a team, and that doesn't work through data. the quote they chose is much more important than analytics: "Without the right players even the best coach in the world is useless. Conversations with players and spending hours with them off the field is essential." that's true.
I think the problem starts when you overuse it.
Some of the signings Milan made over the last 3 years were probably based on data but they were all random signings based in different leagues. Guys like Loftus Cheek, Fofana, Pavlovic etc who all mostly turned out to be flops.
Players are not robots where they can easily acclimatize to any culture or style of football. Data won't describe personality of the player for example. You still gotta go watch/scout them/speak to these players and understand if they are the right fit for the club.
I hope this management is not that incompetent and lazy enough to make decisions by sitting in front of a computer else we're heading for a total disaster.
Some of the signings Milan made over the last 3 years were probably based on data but they were all random signings based in different leagues. Guys like Loftus Cheek, Fofana, Pavlovic etc who all mostly turned out to be flops.
Players are not robots where they can easily acclimatize to any culture or style of football. Data won't describe personality of the player for example. You still gotta go watch/scout them/speak to these players and understand if they are the right fit for the club.
I hope this management is not that incompetent and lazy enough to make decisions by sitting in front of a computer else we're heading for a total disaster.
Comolli already sounds like a clown. Sorry, but don't insult our intelligence giving us a lecture on data and statistics. Did the Board get a woody hearing this?
You realise this is Juventus, right? We're not a provincial club like Toulouse. The only thing that matters here is winning.
Was this a data-driven signing?
https://www.juventus.com/en/news/articles/lloyd-kelly-is-a-new-juventus-player
You realise this is Juventus, right? We're not a provincial club like Toulouse. The only thing that matters here is winning.
Was this a data-driven signing?
https://www.juventus.com/en/news/articles/lloyd-kelly-is-a-new-juventus-player
absolutely
if the human aspect is completely ignored then it will turn into yet another shitshow at jj. no wonder that in the last 2-3 decades, only mourinho and eriksson managed to win in italy as outsiders - and mourinho had by far the strongest squad of that championship. no wonder that most scudetto winning teams relied heavily on an italian core. no wonder that the winning management was italian in every case. even most data driven coaches rely heavily on good footballers who feel attached to the jersey. guardiola's city might be the only exception, that squad is full of mercenaries (and instantly disintegrated without rodri)
a french guy with zero ties to juventus doesn't sound appealing to me at all. we'll see who they sign - but if the picks are similar to the milan signings, then god save us all. chiellini and tudor might work, they are my only hope.
anyway, here's another analysis on comolli. i won't read it, i'd except epl style hype but some might be interested
if the human aspect is completely ignored then it will turn into yet another shitshow at jj. no wonder that in the last 2-3 decades, only mourinho and eriksson managed to win in italy as outsiders - and mourinho had by far the strongest squad of that championship. no wonder that most scudetto winning teams relied heavily on an italian core. no wonder that the winning management was italian in every case. even most data driven coaches rely heavily on good footballers who feel attached to the jersey. guardiola's city might be the only exception, that squad is full of mercenaries (and instantly disintegrated without rodri)
a french guy with zero ties to juventus doesn't sound appealing to me at all. we'll see who they sign - but if the picks are similar to the milan signings, then god save us all. chiellini and tudor might work, they are my only hope.
anyway, here's another analysis on comolli. i won't read it, i'd except epl style hype but some might be interested
To be honest this is all a rinse and repeat load of crap again. Everytime we appoint a new member of back room management staff it’s always the same. Showing us how good they are at their jobs, yet come to us and it’s a disaster. we, got all our hopes up for nothing. Best we don’t expect much from anyone to be honest and anything plus is a bonus from here on.
There's a segment where he admits, he is so committed to being 100% data driven, that after promoting from ligue 2 and finishing 13th. He fired his coach to the suprise of everyone, because the data says they should finished 11th.
Yes you read that right.
Alot of football clubs and coaches are data driven, use it as aid to get head start on others, but never read anyone thats as zealot about it as Comolli. His approach is so 100% data driven they don't even watch/scout players in person, and are so hands on data focused on all aspects, to the point specifically points out their data is supposed to over ride the coach's mandate.
How many coaches will be remotely close to accept that? Management telling you how to coach, use players?
we'll have tognozzi to do the scouting
the lack of human aspect in his approach what's worrying. this is a team sport played by people, managed by people, watched by people. accountants, data analysts or engineers are rarely successful in football. sarri the banker is probably the only exception lol
the lack of human aspect in his approach what's worrying. this is a team sport played by people, managed by people, watched by people. accountants, data analysts or engineers are rarely successful in football. sarri the banker is probably the only exception lol
