Blaise Matuidi (3 Viewers)


james95

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Torreira is poor man's Bentancur, Strootman is a cripple, Dembele is in China for a reason and Kovacic is another unfulfilled prospect. You need to evaluate players basing on their performance, not past ability or potential.

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I'm not really sure if you've seen much of him but Kovacic is arguably better than any midfielder we have barring Pjanic. I haven't seen too much of him at Chelsea but he's performed at the very highest level. Shut down Messi in a clasico and bossed the midfield against PSG in last season's round of 16 2nd leg at the Parc des Princes. Also, most crucially, he has a key attribute that our midfield is seriously lacking which is his ability to burst forward and carry the ball from midfield to attack. He's a very good dribbler with great acceleration. Currently, we have no ball carrying midfielders on the team or one with his skillset as he can play in any of the midfield 3 positions.
 

s4tch

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kovacic, the unfilled promise. the eternal talent. the epitome of inconsistency. better than pogba, according to fif. still, unable to get into any starting lineup consistently since he's been given the chance.

oh fuck.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Yeah, his problem is mental one. I have serious doubt he can make that final leap. You can see hes talented and has the moves but hes too insecure for this level.
 

The Quazis

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I'm not really sure if you've seen much of him but Kovacic is arguably better than any midfielder we have barring Pjanic. I haven't seen too much of him at Chelsea but he's performed at the very highest level. Shut down Messi in a clasico and bossed the midfield against PSG in last season's round of 16 2nd leg at the Parc des Princes. Also, most crucially, he has a key attribute that our midfield is seriously lacking which is his ability to burst forward and carry the ball from midfield to attack. He's a very good dribbler with great acceleration. Currently, we have no ball carrying midfielders on the team or one with his skillset as he can play in any of the midfield 3 positions.
If he was the player you described him to be he would've never left Madrid. Is he even a starter at struggling Chelsea?

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zizinho

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Torreira is poor man's Bentancur, Strootman is a cripple, Dembele is in China for a reason and Kovacic is another unfulfilled prospect. You need to evaluate players basing on their performance, not past ability or potential.

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Y U do dis? We all know whos gonna eliminare us from CL
 

Vlad

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If he was the player you described him to be he would've never left Madrid. Is he even a starter at struggling Chelsea?

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Thats not really an argument against him. He joined hall of fame with the likes of Snaijder, Robben and dozens of players that werent good enough for Real. Not saying hes that kind of caliber, but you know Real and their frequency of acquiring shinny new toy, just to quickly toss it away.
 

zizinho

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Thats not really an argument against him. He joined hall of fame with the likes of Snaijder, Robben and dozens of players that werent good enough for Real. Not saying hes that kind of caliber, but you know Real and their frequency of acquiring shinny new toy, just to quickly toss it away.
Also, how many of our players would get in over Modric, Kroos and Casemiro? Not getting to start for Real is not a knock againt almost anyone. If we got him in the summer, he would be starting next to Pjanic and Matuidi, and he would be a natural fit next to them
 

Vlad

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Also, how many of our players would get in over Modric, Kroos and Casemiro? Not getting to start for Real is not a knock againt almost anyone. If we got him in the summer, he would be starting next to Pjanic and Matuidi, and he would be a natural fit next to them
Yeah maybe. Not a fan of Kovacic tbh. He messed up for accepting Real's bench too long. Almost like he enjoyed having less responsibilities, while winning trophies and great salary. Good deal for anyone, but it took its toll. He regressed quite a bit compared to his Inter days. He is now in situation where he needs to switch on again and it harder than he expected. Id stay away from him and focus on Ndombele. Imo
 

JuveJay

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It's nothing to do with scouting, but technical and financial choices by those in charge. Do you think a club of Juve's size does not know every decent player playing in a top 6 or so league (and beyond), let alone someone who was in their own league?
 

Kyle

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I haved mixed feelings about Matuidi similar to cuadrado.

When playing away against tough teams you reaaly want them in the side for their workrate (almost like having an extra man) but most of the games we play are not like that.

When we have the ball then matuidi's running is uneccessary and he is somewhat of a hinderance when he makes a good run but then cant control the pass.

Cant loan him out and cant just let him sit idly on the bench between big games. If only we could get him fit then freeze him and only bring out of storage when necessary.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I haved mixed feelings about Matuidi similar to cuadrado.

When playing away against tough teams you reaaly want them in the side for their workrate (almost like having an extra man) but most of the games we play are not like that.

When we have the ball then matuidi's running is uneccessary and he is somewhat of a hinderance when he makes a good run but then cant control the pass.

Cant loan him out and cant just let him sit idly on the bench between big games. If only we could get him fit then freeze him and only bring out of storage when necessary.
My opinion too. He's incredibly useful in any big match where the opposing team tries to go toe-to-toe with us, home or away.

But against the minnows, he can be a detriment to building play at times, especially when he's off form.
 

james95

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Sep 2, 2018
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If he was the player you described him to be he would've never left Madrid. Is he even a starter at struggling Chelsea?

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Who in world football would've gotten into that Madrid midfield at their peak? (2015-2018) No one. Even then he was always first off the bench. He developed at Madrid. When he arrived he was much less sure of where he fit on the pitch. He didn't know if he was a CAM, a CM or CDM. He also learned a lot from Modric. He would EASILY improve this midfield. Madrid fans were desperate for him to remain when did leave for Chelsea. The club didn't want him to leave either.
 

Arcticdaly

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Oct 3, 2018
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Hes touch is Lukakus levels of bad ive lost count how many times hes ruined good attacks are chances to score this season because of hes woefull touch in and around the box. Hes good for big games.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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Who in world football would've gotten into that Madrid midfield at their peak? (2015-2018) No one. Even then he was always first off the bench. He developed at Madrid. When he arrived he was much less sure of where he fit on the pitch. He didn't know if he was a CAM, a CM or CDM. He also learned a lot from Modric. He would EASILY improve this midfield. Madrid fans were desperate for him to remain when did leave for Chelsea. The club didn't want him to leave either.
Madrid plays a lot of games due to CL victories and Club World Cup. It's obvious their mid 3 cannot play all the games in a season for 90 minutes. Don't tell me Real would release a player that is important to them because why would they? If he was such an important player for Madrid surely they would replace him with someone of equal importance right? Would you remind whom they got? NOBODY. During the WC he was second not only to Modric but also to Rakitic and Brozovic. If he developed so much at Madrid why he has no impact in Chelsea at all?
 

james95

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Sep 2, 2018
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Madrid plays a lot of games due to CL victories and Club World Cup. It's obvious their mid 3 cannot play all the games in a season for 90 minutes. Don't tell me Real would release a player that is important to them because why would they? If he was such an important player for Madrid surely they would replace him with someone of equal importance right? Would you remind whom they got? NOBODY. During the WC he was second not only to Modric but also to Rakitic and Brozovic. If he developed so much at Madrid why he has no impact in Chelsea at all?
Like I said, he was always first player off the bench for that midfield 3. Just check his total minutes from last season and the season before. He was a very integral part of key victories like the clasicos against Barca and the victories against PSG and Atletico (3-0). He left because he pushed for the move. Just like Benatia did just this window. And they didn't sign anyone else because frankly they have tons of midfield players that are pretty talented. Ceballos (who was practically frozen out by Zidane) took on his role from last season and is arguably as talented as Kovacic if not more (another player that would improve Juve). They gave all of those minutes to him and he's been playing even more than Isco. Not to mention they had Valverde and Marcos Llorente coming in who need minutes. If you look at RM social media, they were all upset that he left. And he's playing regularly for Chelsea. He's actually first choice LCM. The team is just dysfunctional at the moment and every one of their midfielders are having minimal impact including summer signing Jorginho (who's probably been the worst) and Kante.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Madrid plays a lot of games due to CL victories and Club World Cup. It's obvious their mid 3 cannot play all the games in a season for 90 minutes. Don't tell me Real would release a player that is important to them because why would they? If he was such an important player for Madrid surely they would replace him with someone of equal importance right? Would you remind whom they got? NOBODY. During the WC he was second not only to Modric but also to Rakitic and Brozovic. If he developed so much at Madrid why he has no impact in Chelsea at all?
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The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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Like I said, he was always first player off the bench for that midfield 3. Just check his total minutes from last season and the season before. He was a very integral part of key victories like the clasicos against Barca and the victories against PSG and Atletico (3-0). He left because he pushed for the move. Just like Benatia did just this window. And they didn't sign anyone else because frankly they have tons of midfield players that are pretty talented. Ceballos (who was practically frozen out by Zidane) took on his role from last season and is arguably as talented as Kovacic if not more (another player that would improve Juve). They gave all of those minutes to him and he's been playing even more than Isco. Not to mention they had Valverde and Marcos Llorente coming in who need minutes. If you look at RM social media, they were all upset that he left. And he's playing regularly for Chelsea. He's actually first choice LCM. The team is just dysfunctional at the moment and every one of their midfielders are having minimal impact including summer signing Jorginho (who's probably been the worst) and Kante.
Should have brought Tielemaans from Monaco this window before he left for Leicester. Quality player, would definitely improve our midfield and The Foxes got him in exchange for some Portuguese scrub :/

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