Belgium bombings 22-Mar-2016 (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Sheik Yerbouti
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That's not the picture I'm trying to paint at all. While I have good experiences with people from Syria and Iraq people from Afghanistan have generally been total cunts imo. Not to say that I haven't met nice Afghans (I have), but for the most part they're not very likeable.
That doesn't mean they bomb shit here though.
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We'll save Australia, don't want to hurt no kangaroo.
That doesn't mean they bomb shit here though.
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We'll save Australia, don't want to hurt no kangaroo.
The procedures in place were impossible to follow though. The Dublin Regulation is pure bollocks for example. As for all other procedural rules: not much has changed really. People who apply for asylum are screened the same way they always have been. If they don't meet the criteria, they are sent back. Not that much to complain about imo.
Of course it's not easy to take care of all these refugees. But you have to keep in mind that many people who come from Syria (almost everyone) and Iraq (many) do meet the criteria needed for protection.
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It's not out of some deep resentment towards the US or Europe though. It's mostly people with little chance of personal success in our society. The problem is mostly the society we have created here, not what we might have done abroad. It's tough to grow up in a place where everyone claims racism doesn't exist, yet you fail to get a job because you're called Ahmed and not Jan or Niels (typical Flemish names).
Of course it's not easy to take care of all these refugees. But you have to keep in mind that many people who come from Syria (almost everyone) and Iraq (many) do meet the criteria needed for protection.
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It's not out of some deep resentment towards the US or Europe though. It's mostly people with little chance of personal success in our society. The problem is mostly the society we have created here, not what we might have done abroad. It's tough to grow up in a place where everyone claims racism doesn't exist, yet you fail to get a job because you're called Ahmed and not Jan or Niels (typical Flemish names).
You'd think they would be smart enough to bomb the folks directly involved, but they don't do that. They kill innocent people. Which is what they would do regardless of whether their country was bombed or not. They are total scum.
Andy,
You are really wrong about this. And so is Raz. I don't think I've ever seen people so wrong about something. And I don't blame. Hell, it's this exact image the media have been painting for months. But these bombings were not carried out by refugees, I can tell you that much.
I'm not sure who did it, but it's not wrong to say we should have controls at the border and screening of migrants. That is like national security 101. It also seems that Belgium is lacking in terms of intelligence against possible threats as well, unlike the Germans who seemingly have sniffed out possible attacks a few times now.
If these were home-grown Belgians upset over racism, lack of opportunities, et cetera, you’re not going to solve that by improving their conditions either since they are attached to their radical ideology. Of course you can and should attempt to make things better, but you’ll still have to manage the threat. To me, that shouldn’t mean making everyone else’s lives more painful just to accommodate certain folks. That’s why you need targeted intelligence instead of broad police state measures like we see in the US, all of which I abhor.
If these were home-grown Belgians upset over racism, lack of opportunities, et cetera, you’re not going to solve that by improving their conditions either since they are attached to their radical ideology. Of course you can and should attempt to make things better, but you’ll still have to manage the threat. To me, that shouldn’t mean making everyone else’s lives more painful just to accommodate certain folks. That’s why you need targeted intelligence instead of broad police state measures like we see in the US, all of which I abhor.
We actually have fairly good border control in almost all of Europe, especially upon entering the EU. In terms of terrorist attacks in Europe itself I wouldn't consider that a problem at all.
I believe Belgian extremists only become attached to their ideology because they are being marginalized. If you grow up here as a muslim you are looked down upon. It's subtle, but it is very pervasive. Because we have big muslim communities in Belgium, especially in Antwerp and Brussels, you get large segments of society who grow very frustrated. We should work to somehow improve their situation. As for managing the threat I agree, you do need to try and do as much as possible. Unfortunately if people want to blow up stuff, they'll always find a way.
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I've met lots of Syrians and Iraqis who were very well educated, learned Dutch within months and have done their utmost best to integrate in our society despite their very obvious post traumatic stress disorders. You describe them as savages, but they are not. They were expensive watches and use smartphones just like you in many cases.
But that's not even the point. You're saying that if we prevent refugees from entering Europe that terrorist attacks wouldn't happen. Clearly the opposite is true as these attacks are carried out by Europeans.
Hungary is a EU member. They rode trains from Hungary to Germany. If they apply for asylum in Belgium in order to get a permit and in order to be able to make and receive money, they'd still need to meet the criteria. So I'm not sure which point you're making. It's not as if we're welcoming the entire world without asking questions. We allow people who are persecuted in their own country to stay in ours. That's it.
You are living in belgium so I don't blame you, but you are very wrong too. Believe me, I'm very happy about open borders, because of that I live in a much safer place, while sadly more economic countries got all the worst of people lithuania have to offer the first day the europe opened it's borders for easy access.
Not to mention all the utopian dreams about helping every refugees... Well, if russia doesn't fart big our way, I certainly will be much happier here in our deep "european" woods rather then the open and free societies of central europe, where you can get blowed up just by going to a concert.
Not to mention all the utopian dreams about helping every refugees... Well, if russia doesn't fart big our way, I certainly will be much happier here in our deep "european" woods rather then the open and free societies of central europe, where you can get blowed up just by going to a concert.
