Baltimore Riots/Freddie Gray (16 Viewers)

[Enron]

blacks in the inner city are victims of an infernal cycle that is very difficult to escape, they are very much still dealing with the effects of the 'crack' boom of the 80s. I taught in the inner city of chicago, and the thing that got to you the most was the despair, you just knew that most of these kids had a very small percentage for social success, and thus the cycle keeps rolling. But it's true it is a cultural issue, a culture shaped by poverty, ignorance, and sequela of a very traumatic past, lets not forget that america just celebrated the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. It's not to say america is a racist country, far from it. But it is hard to escape the cycle. On the side of the spectrum, there is resentment and anger at things like affirmative action and the quick draw of the racism card. What this issue needs is dialogue, but that will mean the al sharptons and repub leadership will lose out, so naturally will continue to drive a wedge and make the other side look like the enemy lest they be found out as the one and only real enemy.

So the problem isn't Thug Life and the solution isn't to pull up one's pants?

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

The point is this is simply one of many. To each their own, right? From Facebook to throwing bricks at Police and burning innocent businesses down.

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Sorta like those debit cards that can be traced to casinos?

how you made that leap i dont know you must be a cross between houdini and captain america

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So the problem isn't Thug Life and the solution isn't to pull up one's pants?

and ebonics is very much a dialect just ask any old linguist if you think it is a prank some 80 million people are in on

 

[Enron]

Sorta like those debit cards that can be traced to casinos?

Yeah, that's from the Cash Benefits program which is unrelated to SNAP. So learn something whitey!

Granted if the government gives out cash, does it have the right to tell people how to spend it? The Libertarian in me says NO. But the tax payer in me is like "Geez man, can't you make better decisions?".

 

[ALC]

That's a big mis information. SNAP (actual name for Food Stamps) is very regulated. Granted if someone is able to parlay their monthly SNAP funds into king crab and filet minot, then they probably deserve it.

There are cash benefits given out by the government that are supposed to cover day to day expenses. Which is what gets abused. Know your programs bro.

They both get abused. It's also the fact that places accept them for stuff they shouldn't but it definitely could be better.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/11-things-you-didnt-know-you-could-buy-with-food-stamps/

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Yeah, that's from the Cash Benefits program which is unrelated to SNAP. So learn something whitey!

Granted if the government gives out cash, does it have the right to tell people how to spend it? The Libertarian in me says NO. But the tax payer in me is like "Geez man, can't you make better decisions?".

hoping he says yes to protection at least

 

[Hust]

Yeah, that's from the Cash Benefits program which is unrelated to SNAP. So learn something whitey!

Granted if the government gives out cash, does it have the right to tell people how to spend it? The Libertarian in me says NO. But the tax payer in me is like "Geez man, can't you make better decisions?".

I said debit cards and didn't reference them to any other benefit.

 

[Enron]

The point is this is simply one of many. To each their own, right? From Facebook to throwing bricks at Police and burning innocent businesses down.

To be fair, no one gave a shit about the protests last week. It wasn't until people started breaking shit that we actually gave a fuck.

What's that say about you and me bro?

 

[Bjerknes]

blacks in the inner city are victims of an infernal cycle that is very difficult to escape, they are very much still dealing with the effects of the 'crack' boom of the 80s. I taught in the inner city of chicago, and the thing that got to you the most was the despair, you just knew that most of these kids had a very small percentage for social success, and thus the cycle keeps rolling. But it's true it is a cultural issue, a culture shaped by poverty, ignorance, and sequela of a very traumatic past, lets not forget that america just celebrated the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. It's not to say america is a racist country, far from it. But it is hard to escape the cycle. On the side of the spectrum, there is resentment and anger at things like affirmative action and the quick draw of the racism card. What this issue needs is dialogue, but that will mean the al sharptons and repub leadership will lose out, so naturally will continue to drive a wedge and make the other side look like the enemy lest they be found out as the one and only real enemy.

What type of dialogue do we need? It seems like we have that now, that's all the country seems to care about now, that and gay marriage. Like I said in another thread, I attended a church function the other day and was lectured by a Yale grad about how racism is essentially everywhere and there is no such thing as the "race card." I find that obsessing over these matters actually causes more problems because 1) it's like the boy who cried wolf and 2) it makes people uncomfortable as if they are doing something wrong. So it really is a program of guilt-tripping folks into supporting more social programs, really. And look now, the kid might have killed himself, so once again all the protests and riots are based on nothing. It's almost as if they try to discredit themselves.

 

[Enron]

hoping he says yes to protection at least

The libertarian in me does not need protection, neither does he pay taxes.

 

[Hust]

how you made that leap i dont know you must be a cross between houdini and captain america

 

[Enron]

What type of dialogue do we need? It seems like we have that now, that's all the country seems to care about now, that and gay marriage. Like I said in another thread, I attended a church function the other day and was lectured by a Yale grad about how racism is essentially everywhere and there is no such thing as the "race card." I find that obsessing over these matters actually causes more problems because 1) it's like the boy who cried wolf and 2) it makes people uncomfortable as if they are doing something wrong. So it really is a program of guilt-tripping folks into supporting more social programs, really.

Kicking the issue under the carpet doesn't help either.

 

[Hust]

To be fair, no one gave a shit about the protests last week. It wasn't until people started breaking shit that we actually gave a fuck.

What's that say about you and me bro?

It gets tiresome. Then you see innocent people being affected like seniors that watch their house burn down because some kid is confused.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What type of dialogue do we need? It seems like we have that now, that's all the country seems to care about now, that and gay marriage. Like I said in another thread, I attended a church function the other day and was lectured by a Yale grad about how racism is essentially everywhere and there is no such thing as the "race card." I find that obsessing over these matters actually causes more problems because 1) it's like the boy who cried wolf and 2) it makes people uncomfortable as if they are doing something wrong. So it really is a program of guilt-tripping folks into supporting more social programs, really.

preaching is not dialogue, and adults are too brainwashed and fucked up for dialogue. Kids need to interact more. The school i taught in was 100% black, im sure the reverse exists as well, that is just ridiculous for a city as diverse as chicago.

 

[Enron]

They both get abused. It's also the fact that places accept them for stuff they shouldn't but it definitely could be better.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/11-things-you-didnt-know-you-could-buy-with-food-stamps/

Both Cash Benefits and SNAP are access from the EBT card. This article is a tad misleading because it doesn't stipulate which allows you to buy what.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The libertarian in me does not need protection, neither does he pay taxes.

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is that your wife's nickname for you

 

[Bjerknes]

Kicking the issue under the carpet doesn't help either.

OK, then let's try to get rid of the Fed, have folks take pride in their individuality, and teach about creating legitimate businesses.

 

[swag]

Education is certainly important, as are college degrees. Unfortunately in a stagnant economy, a masters is now the new bachelors, with those that hold the latter having to find service jobs more than ever before. There really isn't any way to combat that at this point, which means folks should try to find the cheapest route to a degree possible. I know so many college grads drowning in loan debt that they will probably not be able to afford a house until they're 35 or 40. Some even max out loans and defer the payments while taking a masters... it's lunacy.

Globalization has been a major problem as well. Those production jobs of the 70's and 80's are long gone and impossible to reignite unless we eliminate the Federal Reserve system. Without savings and investment, you don't have any real capital formation, so instead you have to rely on banks and debt instruments to fund operations which are only realistic on a larger scale due to economies of scale. So jobs are offshored and local stores can't compete, which only compounds the misery of the middle class. I find it humorous how so many folks yell about minimum wage but think it's OK to have under 1% returns on CD's and savings accounts. It's madness.

The whole logic of, "we have to do something!" clashes with capitalism at its core. Remember, government brought the Fed into fruition in 1913, government entered into free trade agreements that folks warned about, government has to redistribute wealth away from more efficient means of creating productive capacity in the economy. I think the government has really done enough, so yes, inaction would be a better option at this point than recklessly conjuring up more of the same programs that simply don't work. Now, if we want to eliminate the Fed, that would be a solid approach since their low interest rates only benefit 1% schmucks like bankers and Hillary, but that won't happen

The whole education system -- which is really more the university certification system -- has gotten so out of whack with cost-benefit though. Can you really justify a masters in many cases if you end up not being able to apply it?

Good on globalization there. But divorcing capitalism with governance is kind of folly, really. A lot of financial models (especially the power rule kind) end up with fiefdoms and enslaved masses. Apartheid works for a while, but the system collapses on itself if left to its own devices. There's self-preservation interests in order here to ensure that half the cities that entrepreneurs do business in don't convert into Hobbesian nightmares.

So, seems like Freddie wanted to injure himself in the police van.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?hpid=z1

This gives a whole new perspective on "jumping to conclusions."

That is freaking trippy. I was just on jury duty last month on a court case where a black kid in custody bangs the crap out of himself to intentionally injure himself in a police van ... with the testimony that cops couldn't seatbelt him at the time because he was so violent they first needed to try to get a spitmask on him and didn't have one for all the biting and spitting. It's almost the exact same behavior.

 

[Seven]

It neither justifies nor explains these riots. All you mentioned from poverty to a broken education system is the case to a much more horrifying extent all over the world. These guys at least have the right to "peacefully" protest (you won't understand how big a deal it is unless you are deprived of this right). They are living in a country in which hard work is rewarded much more so than most other places in the world (in other parts of the world, you may work your ass off all your life and still have literally zero hope of improving your situation in the slightest). I'd go as far as saying that it seems to me that it's a privilege to be black or a woman in the US. Nothing disgusts me more than this convenient victim mentality which blacks and women seem to share in this part of the world. If anyone truly cares about the next generations, they have to start with telling them that this is the most destructive mentality to think that they can't breathe.

It is this lie that angers people. Hard work might pay off. If you have money to begin with, choose the right field or are insanely lucky. A society that claims everything can be achieved through hard work lies to its citizens. If you are left broke and sick because of bad luck or because of who your parents are, it must sting when people insist it's your own damn fault for "being lazy".

This lie needs to stop. Fast.

Let's say for example you studied law. Everyone always told you law was an excellent choice. Don't worry about the debt, you'll more than make up for it. 150k a year at least, right? So you've worked your ass off, got awesome grades and finished law school. Now you find out the market is completely saturated, no one wants to offer you a job and you're left with a huge amount of debt. Essentially, you're worse off than you were before you ever started college. Then you read, again, that your hard work will pay off and that if you're poor, you're just lazy. Awesome.

And this is arguably what happens to some upper class people. Nevermind what happens when you start at the bottom.

 

[Fred]

The US doesn't really have any party that deserves to be called left.

Why not? The whole right left thing is completely relative. If the USSR was still around they'd say nobody in Europe deserves to be called left too, what you consider left would probably be considered closer to the right in the former USSR.

I guess around four, if you want to pretend to be an intellectual in Europe. Two is far better than most native English speakers though, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

But I guess its easier to learn multiple languages when you get paid to be a university student, or when it doesn't cost citizens that much in way of tuition fees to go to university, as is the case in many European countries.

It neither justifies nor explains these riots. All you mentioned from poverty to a broken education system is the case to a much more horrifying extent all over the world. These guys at least have the right to "peacefully" protest (you won't understand how big a deal it is unless you are deprived of this right). They are living in a country in which hard work is rewarded much more so than most other places in the world (in other parts of the world, you may work your ass off all your life and still have literally zero hope of improving your situation in the slightest). I'd go as far as saying that it seems to me that it's a privilege to be black or a woman in the US. Nothing disgusts me more than this convenient victim mentality which blacks and women seem to share in this part of the world. If anyone truly cares about the next generations, they have to start with telling them that this is the most destructive mentality to think that they can't breathe.

 

[Seven]

But I guess its easier to learn multiple languages when you get paid to be a university student, or when it doesn't cost citizens that much in way of tuition fees to go to university, as is the case in many European countries.

That's not all there is to it though. For example it's a given that you have to learn to speak English these days. And because it is everywhere it is also pretty easy to learn. So as a European you tend to speak two languages at least with very little effort. Because half of my country speaks French, you also have to learn French at school, whether you like it or not. So through no real effort or intention of my own, I spoke three languages.

And then I learned Italian, because I liked it. So all in all I only learned one foreign language because of a deliberate choice (not counting Latin or Greek obviously as you can't really speak those).

EDIT: one last point though, you don't have to be a university student to learn a language.