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Axe instead of ask isn't Ebonics. So we're on a different page
Semantics. I don't care about "ebonics" as any formal definition per se. I'm talking about how black people frequently speak English in this country differently than white people or Asians or Latinos. Whether you call that ebonics, ignorance, jive, street slang, or whatever, I don't care. The fact is that there are differences, and they aren't there purely because all of the speakers are trying to be all 'hood.
 

Bjerknes

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Now there are several things you could undertake to improve the situation, depending on your political orientation. The first place you guys could start is to reevaluate the discourse when talking about people on benefits, it's almost exclusively negative which contributes to the behavior of certain groups within this. Social empowerment is nonexisting in the states. The minimum wage is one that is barely acceptable for anyone who contemplates to break out of the negative social heritage in the American projects, of course partaking in crime from an early age seems more appealing than working the worst possible jobs for a pay that doesn't give any incitament when you see how easily money can be made by breaking the law.
To the bold part -- :lol: :howler:

To the rest -- same old tripe that has been tried for years on end to no effect. Any new ideas? What, affirmative action? Oh wait, already tried that, too.

What a load of bullshit.
 
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    king Ale

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    The riots are certainly senseless, destructive and moronic.

    But they don't appear out of nowhere. These areas and the population segments living in them have been neglected for decades, the people growing in them are surrounded by poverty, a broken education system, gang violence, drug culture, etc., etc. So while there's no need for sympathy for the rioters, the need to improve their situation, or at least the situation of the next generation as there's not much left to save with this one, is very real. Not even due to some kind of altruism, but simply because conditions will continue to get much worse otherwise, and riots such as this one (not to talk about the negative everyday consequences of such communities & inequality) serve no one.
    It neither justifies nor explains these riots. All you mentioned from poverty to a broken education system is the case to a much more horrifying extent all over the world. These guys at least have the right to "peacefully" protest (you won't understand how big a deal it is unless you are deprived of this right). They are living in a country in which hard work is rewarded much more so than most other places in the world (in other parts of the world, you may work your ass off all your life and still have literally zero hope of improving your situation in the slightest). I'd go as far as saying that it seems to me that it's a privilege to be black or a woman in the US. Nothing disgusts me more than this convenient victim mentality which blacks and women seem to share in this part of the world. If anyone truly cares about the next generations, they have to start with telling them that this is the most destructive mentality to think that they can't breathe.
     

    swag

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    To the bold part -- :lol: :howler:

    To the rest -- same old tripe that has been tried for years on end to no effect. Any new ideas? What, affirmative action? Oh wait, already tried that, too.

    What a load of bullshit.
    There are multiple arguments for and against this, but curious how you'd express your thoughts in this context on:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/b...ality-is-costing-the-us-on-social-issues.html

    Rewarding idleness isn't the answer. But you can't help but look at public policy and planning in this country and not think that with the erosion of decent-paying middle class jobs since the 1970s and 1980s, is there no one thinking "oh shit" about what some of the consequences would be for inaction?
     

    swag

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    It neither justifies nor explains these riots. All you mentioned from poverty to a broken education system is the case to a much more horrifying extent all over the world. These guys at least have the right to "peacefully" protest (you won't understand how big a deal it is unless you are deprived of this right). They are living in a country in which hard work is rewarded much more so than most other places in the world (in other parts of the world, you may work your ass off all your life and still have literally zero hope of improving your situation in the slightest). I'd go as far as saying that it seems to me that it's a privilege to be black or a woman in the US. Nothing disgusts me more than this convenient victim mentality which blacks and women seem to share in this part of the world. If anyone truly cares about the next generations, they have to start with telling them that this is the most destructive mentality to think that they can't breathe.
    Not to kiss your ass, but...

    Preach it sistah! :kiss:
     

    ALC

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    To the bold part -- :lol: :howler:

    To the rest -- same old tripe that has been tried for years on end to no effect. Any new ideas? What, affirmative action? Oh wait, already tried that, too.

    What a load of bullshit.
    I don't have anything against benefits per se, but the fact that people can buy so many things with food stamps is ridiculous. We need a stricter policy to determine who gets benefits because they're abused way too much. There are people who need them getting effed over because of assholes who decide to make a living out of em.

    What X said. This is just a crazy loon posting on facebook.

    It neither justifies nor explains these riots. All you mentioned from poverty to a broken education system is the case to a much more horrifying extent all over the world. These guys at least have the right to "peacefully" protest (you won't understand how big a deal it is unless you are deprived of this right). They are living in a country in which hard work is rewarded much more so than most other places in the world (in other parts of the world, you may work your ass off all your life and still have literally zero hope of improving your situation in the slightest). I'd go as far as saying that it seems to me that it's a privilege to be black or a woman in the US. Nothing disgusts me more than this convenient victim mentality which blacks and women seem to share in this part of the world. If anyone truly cares about the next generations, they have to start with telling them that this is the most destructive mentality to think that they can't breathe.
    :tup:
     

    Bjerknes

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    There are multiple arguments for and against this, but curious how you'd express your thoughts in this context on:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/b...ality-is-costing-the-us-on-social-issues.html

    Rewarding idleness isn't the answer. But you can't help but look at public policy and planning in this country and not think that with the erosion of decent-paying middle class jobs since the 1970s and 1980s, is there no one thinking "oh $#@!" about what some of the consequences would be for inaction?
    Education is certainly important, as are college degrees. Unfortunately in a stagnant economy, a masters is now the new bachelors, with those that hold the latter having to find service jobs more than ever before. There really isn't any way to combat that at this point, which means folks should try to find the cheapest route to a degree possible. I know so many college grads drowning in loan debt that they will probably not be able to afford a house until they're 35 or 40. Some even max out loans and defer the payments while taking a masters... it's lunacy.

    Globalization has been a major problem as well. Those production jobs of the 70's and 80's are long gone and impossible to reignite unless we eliminate the Federal Reserve system. Without savings and investment, you don't have any real capital formation, so instead you have to rely on banks and debt instruments to fund operations which are only realistic on a larger scale due to economies of scale. So jobs are offshored and local stores can't compete, which only compounds the misery of the middle class. I find it humorous how so many folks yell about minimum wage but think it's OK to have under 1% returns on CD's and savings accounts. It's madness.

    The whole logic of, "we have to do something!" clashes with capitalism at its core. Remember, government brought the Fed into fruition in 1913, government entered into free trade agreements that folks warned about, government has to redistribute wealth away from more efficient means of creating productive capacity in the economy. I think the government has really done enough, so yes, inaction would be a better option at this point than recklessly conjuring up more of the same programs that simply don't work. Now, if we want to eliminate the Fed, that would be a solid approach since their low interest rates only benefit 1% schmucks like bankers and Hillary, but that won't happen.

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    So, seems like Freddie wanted to injure himself in the police van.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?hpid=z1

    This gives a whole new perspective on "jumping to conclusions."
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    blacks in the inner city are victims of an infernal cycle that is very difficult to escape, they are very much still dealing with the effects of the 'crack' boom of the 80s. I taught in the inner city of chicago, and the thing that got to you the most was the despair, you just knew that most of these kids had a very small percentage for social success, and thus the cycle keeps rolling. But it's true it is a cultural issue, a culture shaped by poverty, ignorance, and sequela of a very traumatic past, lets not forget that america just celebrated the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. It's not to say america is a racist country, far from it. But it is hard to escape the cycle. On the side of the spectrum, there is resentment and anger at things like affirmative action and the quick draw of the racism card. What this issue needs is dialogue, but that will mean the al sharptons and repub leadership will lose out, so naturally will continue to drive a wedge and make the other side look like the enemy lest they be found out as the one and only real enemy.
     

    Enron

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    I don't have anything against benefits per se, but the fact that people can buy so many things with food stamps is ridiculous. We need a stricter policy to determine who gets benefits because they're abused way too much. There are people who need them getting effed over because of assholes who decide to make a living out of em.
    That's a big mis information. SNAP (actual name for Food Stamps) is very regulated. Granted if someone is able to parlay their monthly SNAP funds into king crab and filet minot, then they probably deserve it.

    There are cash benefits given out by the government that are supposed to cover day to day expenses. Which is what gets abused. Know your programs bro. :D
     
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    Hust

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    what the point of this story?
    I don't have anything against benefits per se, but the fact that people can buy so many things with food stamps is ridiculous. We need a stricter policy to determine who gets benefits because they're abused way too much. There are people who need them getting effed over because of assholes who decide to make a living out of em.



    What X said. This is just a crazy loon posting on facebook.



    :tup:
    The point is this is simply one of many. To each their own, right? From Facebook to throwing bricks at Police and burning innocent businesses down. :tup:

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    That's a big mis information. SNAP (actual name for Food Stamps) is very regulated. Granted if someone is able to parlay their monthly SNAP funds into king crab and filet minot, then they probably deserve it.

    There are cash benefits given out by the government that are supposed to cover day to day expenses. Which is what gets abused. Know your programs bro. :D
    Sorta like those debit cards that can be traced to casinos? :D
     

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