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Elvin

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Fred said:
Maybe you think so. My opinion is that Benzema is a better striker and player than Drogba and Shevchenko.

Lewa is better than all those strikers you mentioned. I do not see much argument for Drogba being even close to Lewa. I think Benzema is better too.

With that being said, I think its an unfair comparison. Perhaps if Drogba and even more so Shevchenko were playing in this era, they probably would have been significantly better. I say that because I think sports science and players preparation and recovery has increased their longevity and given them an edge physically over previous generations. Look at how many players remain in their peak well into their thirties these days. That was unheard of in Sheva and Drogba's era. Back then it was commonly accepted that you lose a yard of pace, and the ability to play at such a high level week in week out.

But when you look at Benzema or Lewa now, they are in their mid thirties almost, and they are still delivering peak performance consistently. But that brings me again to question why are you so certain, that we all should just know that Benzema is less a player than Drogba or Shevchenko. At his age, both of them were not consistently the stars of a big team, and they have not accomplished what Benz has neither individually or collectively.

and please dont bring up Sheva's ballon dór. He would not have been close had he played in the era of those two freaks of nature Ronaldo and Messi.
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Somehow something makes me think Benzema will not be remembered for long after retirement.

I might be wrong.
 

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Bianconero81

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Fred said:
If you play at a high level for longer than another player and thus contribute more during the course of your career to your teams success, I'd say that's a pretty robust measure.

Put it this way, if i gave you the choice between two players for Juve. One will give you 10-12 seasons of being a top player for your team. The other will give you 6-8, and by his 30's will already be going downhill. Their level at their best is comparable(we might disagree whose better at their prime for example, but its arguable). I think that's an easy pick.

Now if you believe Drogba and Shevchenko are so much better than Benzema, that even if he plays at close to his best level for much longer than them it won't matter, then thats a different case.
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Going by your metric, you probably think Lebron James is better than Jordan because of longevity and sports science. GTFO.

I believe George Weah shits all over Benzema, but his career at the top level is most definitely going to be shorter when all is said and done.
 
Fred

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Bianconero81 said:
Going by your metric, you probably think Lebron James is better than Jordan because of longevity and sports science. GTFO.

I believe George Weah shits all over Benzema, but his career at the top level is most definitely going to be shorter when all is said and done.
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I dont know anywhere near enough about Basketball to make that judgement.

I also didn't watch George Weah at his prime to be honest. I do suspect though that even if his prime was better than Benzema's(?), he probably does not shit all over him because he just didn't do it long enough. Again, I'd prefer not to compare players from vastly different eras like that. Benzema might not be as talented, Weah might have shit all over him if he played in this era. But we'll never know i guess.
 
JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Strickland said:
McDonalds and chocolate tasted much better when I was a kid, those things along with football have regressed quite a bit over time.
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Like footballers McDonalds was made with better stuff back when you were a kid.

Pegi said:
Benzema is one of the greatest strikers ever whether people want to believe it or not.
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I choose not to believe it.
 
Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Pegi said:
Benzema is one of the greatest strikers ever whether people want to believe it or not.
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A guy who has spent almost his entire prime being Ronaldo's lackey and also being an utter disgrace at NT level (when he was required to lead his team) can't be considered in that conversation. Sorry.
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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Benzema is a blackmailing shit bag. You can be a bastard on the pitch but you can't do that shit off the pitch and expect any awards.
 
Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Xperd said:
A guy who has spent almost his entire prime being Ronaldo's lackey and also being an utter disgrace at NT level (when he was required to lead his team) can't be considered in that conversation. Sorry.
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It's a team game and he did his job good as anyone could. Benzema is tied on 4th for most UCL goals ever as well and is 4 time champion. Scored something like +300 goals over his career meanwhile being in Ronaldo's shadow.

I consider that pretty damn good and people should fucking forget the nostalgy factor, because your favs back then with the mundials on actually weren't that good, let's be honest.
 
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