Avril Lavigne too sexy for Malaysia (2 Viewers)

[Dinsdale]

Large vagina?

 

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[HelterSkelter]

Is she danny de vito's mom or something:sick:

 

[bianconero]

An evvill girl

 

[sallyinzaghi]

It's not an assumption at all, I live in a Muslim country and I know exactly what is going on. I know what men would do if I look at their wives, girls and if she looks back. For these examples they are covered, and some of them are violent, cases like these might end up with murder. Just like what we heard that day, how a father killed his daughter for converting to Christian. When it comes to religion, most of Muslims has no tolerance, hence you can't act freeily.

Like I said, some of you guys are free to choose, your family is seems and probably is educated, this allows you to act freely (don't get me wrong, I am not claiming the opposite, that whoever covers is uneducated).

Like I said most of those who covers are forced to, and I know very well it is not an order for Muslim girls to cover, that's not what written in Quraan, but some would claim the opposite and won't allow that to happen in their family/society.

and this case is not comparable with nuns, they are religious persons, work for Church, totally different issue.

with all due respect, I think that has to do more with arab culture than islam itself.

 

[Snoop]

with all due respect, I think that has to do more with arab culture than islam itself.

Same can be said about Turks too thou, but then again, those who don't cover, say the samething you just said for them. that "they have this from arab culture"..

 

[Nenz]

Bahahaa maybe they havent heard her sing.

Andy, shawn johnson??? c'mon, those legs

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Same can be said about Turks too thou, but then again, those who don't cover, say the samething you just said for them. that "they have this from arab culture"..

I wasn't referring to the covering, I was referring to the violence that ensues with looking at their wives/etc.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Bahahaa maybe they havent heard her sing.

Andy, shawn johnson??? c'mon, those legs

Avril was so horrible in that 'girlfriend' videoclip. I've never liked her music before, and that video and song pretty much says I never will.

 

[nasser]

too sexy or too horrible

 

[Zé Tahir]

Yes, but then again, contrary to popular belief the Quran does allow for violence. I mean, bashing the heads of those unwilling to believe is quite violent, no matter how you might read it. It's not a problem of Islam per se, it's a problem all religions encounter at some point. The thing is though, western society has advanced. I wonder if the same might be possible in islamic countries.

It's not an assumption at all, I live in a Muslim country and I know exactly what is going on. I know what men would do if I look at their wives, girls and if she looks back. For these examples they are covered, and some of them are violent, cases like these might end up with murder. Just like what we heard that day, how a father killed his daughter for converting to Christian. When it comes to religion, most of Muslims has no tolerance, hence you can't act freeily.

Like I said, some of you guys are free to choose, your family is seems and probably is educated, this allows you to act freely (don't get me wrong, I am not claiming the opposite, that whoever covers is uneducated).

Like I said most of those who covers are forced to, and I know very well it is not an order for Muslim girls to cover, that's not what written in Quraan, but some would claim the opposite and won't allow that to happen in their family/society.

and this case is not comparable with nuns, they are religious persons, work for Church, totally different issue.

I'm loving the expertise on the Qur'an in here

 

[Snoop]

anyway I heard that from an expert on Tv, that's why I wrote that line.

 

[Seven]

I'm loving the expertise on the Qur'an in here

Look, Ze, I'm not saying that the Bible is without violence. All I'm saying is that, if you would want to, you could find some passages in the Quran to defend violence. It's like that with almost any religious book. My problem isn't the fact that those words are there, but how some muslims react to them.

 

[Zé Tahir]

The concept of the veil is so misunderstood and it's easy to criticize it if you don't bother to read about it.

So I urge you all to read about it. Look at what Islam teaches and not what Muslims 'teach'.

 

[Seven]

The concept of the veil is so misunderstood and it's easy to criticize it if you don't bother to read about it.

So I urge you all to read about it. Look at what Islam teaches and not what Muslims 'teach'.

Oh dear.

Islam doesn't teach. Islam isn't even alive. Muslims are. Look, I'm not even criticising the Quran as a religion (even if I do believe I could), but thinking Islam is some sort of power per se is just odd. Islam is being taught by muslims, so if you want to know something about Islam some muslim will have to teach you. It won't teach itself.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Look, Ze, I'm not saying that the Bible is without violence. All I'm saying is that, if you would want to, you could find some passages in the Quran to defend violence. It's like that with almost any religious book. My problem isn't the fact that those words are there, but how some muslims react to them.

This isn't about the Bible. I'm just amused at the fact that you can make such a lofty claim without having read the Qur'an. I've only spent the last 23 years reading it but you have managed to read a small passage out of it and drawn to the conclusion that Islam defends violence.

I do agree with the latter statement though. I too have a problem with the way my religion has been hijacked by people who claim to be defending Islam, but then again those very people have been prophesied about in the Qur'an so I'm not surprised. You wouldn't know that since you haven't bothered to read it.

If you chose not to read it then it's fine but just don't go around making such claims and that is all I'm trying to say.

Now if you do want to discuss this then please do try to convince me how Islam (not certain adherents of it) defends/promotes violence.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Oh dear.

Islam doesn't teach. Islam isn't even alive. Muslims are. Look, I'm not even criticising the Quran as a religion (even if I do believe I could), but thinking Islam is some sort of power per se is just odd. Islam is being taught by muslims, so if you want to know something about Islam some muslim will have to teach you. It won't teach itself.

Fair enough, but why is it that out of the 1 billion+ adherents of Islam you chose to listen to the bad ones? Do I turn to the teachings of the Ku Klux Klan for my questions regarding Christianity?

I've been on the forums for four years now and not once have you asked me anything regarding Islam (I'd like to think that I'm a good representative of Islam) However you love to come up with your own interpretations, such as the one claiming that Islam defends violence.

 

[Snoop]

The concept of the veil is so misunderstood and it's easy to criticize it if you don't bother to read about it.

So I urge you all to read about it. Look at what Islam teaches and not what Muslims 'teach'.

That's not a simple thing to do Tahir, and any religious book will be the last thing I want to read. Like I said, I heard it from an expert, a professor (of Islam religion, I don't know what you guys call it exactly). And he is very respected in Turkey, and he isn't really is the first to say that. I know very religious Muslims who don't cover, yes the have the fear of god inside them, but they don't see it an order to wear/cover themselves. This must some problem among you guys, some claim something and others do the opposite, this is the case in every religion, there will always be disagreements, well this is what happens when you take orders from a book

 

[Zé Tahir]

That's not a simple thing to do Tahir, and any religious book will be the last thing I want to read. Like I said, I heard it from an expert, a professor (of Islam religion, I don't know what you guys call it exactly). And he is very respected in Turkey, and he isn't really is the first to say that. I know very religious Muslims who don't cover, yes the have the fear of god inside them, but they don't see it an order to wear/cover themselves. This must some problem among you guys, some claim something and others do the opposite, this is the case in every religion, there will always be disagreements, well this is what happens when you take orders from a book

Oh, so the last thing you'll read regarding a religion is a religious book? That makes perfect sense. It's like if I wanted to learn about astronomy and I had the approach that "the last thing I'm going to read is a book about astronomy".

This expert cannot read or he's a state sponsored 'expert' in which case its his job to put doubt in peoples minds. There are people that argue that alcohol is not forbidden in Islam, that doesn't make it a fact.

Here have a read for yourself. Open up a Qur'an and look for yourself if you don't believe this either.

“And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is apparent, thereof, and that they draw their head coverings over their bosoms, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment save to their husbands…” (24:32)

“Say to the believing men that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well-aware of what they do.” (24:31)

“[T]hey should pull down upon them their outer cloaks from their heads over their faces. That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” (33:60)

However, if you bothered to read the link I provided you would see this:

There is no law in Islam that punishes a woman from not
abiding by hijab. Hijab’s fundamental aim is to protect a Muslim woman and to provide her greater liberty to participate in society. Where hijab fails to achieve this aim, Islam allows for relaxation of the requirement.

 

[Snoop]

Oh, so the last thing you'll read regarding a religion is a religious book? That makes perfect sense. It's like if I wanted to learn about astronomy and I had the approach that "the last thing I'm going to read is a book about astronomy"


This expert cannot read or he's a state sponsored 'expert' in which case its his job to put doubt in peoples minds. There are people that argue that alcohol is not forbidden in Islam, that doesn't make it a fact.

Here have a read for yourself. Open up a Qur'an and look for yourself if you don't believe this either.

“And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is apparent, thereof, and that they draw their head coverings over their bosoms, and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment save to their husbands…” (24:32)

“Say to the believing men that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well-aware of what they do.” (24:31)

“[T]hey should pull down upon them their outer cloaks from their heads over their faces. That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” (33:60)

However, if you bothered to read the link I provided you would see this:

Thou I never said I am interested in religion, or want to learn any. You are denying this like you are hearing this for the first time, from me. Tahir, you know it very well that some religion people claim that Muslims are not ordered to wear Hijab, no? Maybe you didn't see these in Pakistan, but you can/should check what is going on in Arab world too, or maybe Turkey and other Islam countries.

If these people gave their life to religion, and if they majored in Islam in universities, and if they earned to be called a professor for that field, why shouldn't I believe them? or why should they be wrong and you are right? I know you are showing me a paragraph about this, but you yourself just said you can't conclude about something in Islam with one paragraph, that I have to read the whole book. Well, I told you I am not interested to read, because that's very deep, and for me it doesn't worth, only a waste of time (don't take this personal, I am talking about all religious books in general), so I prefer bringing quotes from people like these.

I never claimed I am an expert, you shouldn't do this neither, but these people are educated and majored in these field, so what I am saying is, I am not making these out of my ass, these are experts' view, not mine.

 

[Ahmed]

So you would reather blindly follow someone insteading of making up your own mind? For every expert there is another expert or specialist who will derive a completely different generalisation and opinion from the same statement in question...you have every right to believe someone who is knowledgeable in any field, but one still has to make up his own mind