Avril Lavigne too sexy for Malaysia (19 Viewers)

[JCK]

Her nails remind me of a Ukrainian athlete I saw on tv last night. Her costume was the classic blue and yellow, but the fingernails were painted a particularly revolting pink color. The ugliest nails ever.

Lavigne seems to be sending the same message in that picture. All the colors match except the nails and the shoes.

What do you mean by colours? It is only one colour, black then comes the other colours in the nails and shoes.

 

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[sallyinzaghi]

The problem with a lot of muslims is that they are always trying to force a society to behave in a certain way. Obviously this isn't compatible with a western society that has, ever since 1789, said that religion shouldn't have an influence on policy. Add to this that muslims in Western Europe are a minority and you get an awfully strange mix. The thing is that some people act as if it's all debatable, while it really isn't. Religion and politics should be separated (and this goes for those silly people in the Bible Belt as well), it is of fundamental importance in our society and I'm not prepared to let it go.

isnt that what the west is trying to do as well ? you said it yourself, you believe your values are better - and so do your leaders and hence we have this whole jihad vs mcworld thing going on

personally, i dont think either values are better, just different. i am against any form of imposing any values on anyone though. each to his/her own. and muslim countries and leaders and all that problems aside - i think when someone sees a covered woman say in the states or australia they think of oppression and such and get disgusted - but has it ever occured to anyone that it could be that woman's choice to actually cover herself up? it is true some women do decide to actually wear it willingly ... i think judging a covered woman is equally as bad as others judging a western woman dressing sexily as well .

although i guess it is a bit naive and against human nature to expect everybody to just respect everyone's beliefs and opinions.

 

[Snoop]

No woman would want to cover herself like a bag, no single woman. Whoever says she does, she is lying, she is afraid of God or the society. It's all about fear and obeying. She is scared to refuse, don't tell me there are no women that suffered for this, they know very well that they will either get beaten, or they will not be accepted by the society or disrespected. There can be exceptions, but that doesn't even make 1% of all.

 

[bianconero]

Dude, I hope you're not being serious.

Sure am, cowboy.

 

[Seven]

isnt that what the west is trying to do as well ? you said it yourself, you believe your values are better - and so do your leaders and hence we have this whole jihad vs mcworld thing going on

personally, i dont think either values are better, just different. i am against any form of imposing any values on anyone though. each to his/her own. and muslim countries and leaders and all that problems aside - i think when someone sees a covered woman say in the states or australia they think of oppression and such and get disgusted - but has it ever occured to anyone that it could be that woman's choice to actually cover herself up? it is true some women do decide to actually wear it willingly ... i think judging a covered woman is equally as bad as others judging a western woman dressing sexily as well .

although i guess it is a bit naive and against human nature to expect everybody to just respect everyone's beliefs and opinions.

How many christian minorities are trying to impose their beliefs in Iran?

And it's bullshit, I've had enough of this cultural relativism. Our values are better. And it's simply impossible to think otherwise. Because with our values, we can't respect some muslim values. I mean, it would conflict with our freedom to say whatever the hell we want for example. So how on earth could we respect those "beliefs and opinions". It's such naive, smallminded, fairytale, treeloving bullshit.

That those women would be willing to dress up like that is nonsense and you know it.

 

[Ahmed]

No woman would want to cover herself like a bag, no single woman. Whoever says she does, she is lying, she is afraid of God or the society. It's all about fear and obeying. She is scared to refuse, don't tell me there are no women that suffered for this, they know very well that they will either get beaten, or they will not be accepted by the society or disrespected. There can be exceptions, but that doesn't even make 1% of all.

so 1st no single woman wants to be covered up, then in the end ther are exceptions? make up your mind

 

[sallyinzaghi]

No woman would want to cover herself like a bag, no single woman. Whoever says she does, she is lying, she is afraid of God or the society. It's all about fear and obeying. She is scared to refuse, don't tell me there are no women that suffered for this, they know very well that they will either get beaten, or they will not be accepted by the society or disrespected. There can be exceptions, but that doesn't even make 1% of all.

That's a great deal of assumption. While you may be right that most women do not want to - and again I reiterate that I do not agree with governments making such imposes on women - you are forgetting the real point here, there are cases whereby even if it is fear of God, that woman has chosen to embrace Islam and accept it and thus cover herself up willingly. Just like nuns who decide to do the same. Why can't we just let them be and let them embrace whatever religions and lifestyle they decide upon ? It is their belief, their choice. Likewise those who decide not to embrace any religion or a different one should be left with their own choices too. What I find is highly hypocritical is that though one may disagree with other values, you can't impose your own on other people .

 

[Seven]

Sure am, cowboy.

You honestly don't know why I picked that date?

 

[Seven]

That's a great deal of assumption. While you may be right that most women do not want to - and again I reiterate that I do not agree with governments making such imposes on women - you are forgetting the real point here, there are cases whereby even if it is fear of God, that woman has chosen to embrace Islam and accept it and thus cover herself up willingly. Just like nuns who decide to do the same. Why can't we just let them be and let them embrace whatever religions and lifestyle they decide upon ? It is their belief, their choice. Likewise those who decide not to embrace any religion or a different one should be left with their own choices too. What I find is highly hypocritical is that though one may disagree with other values, you can't impose your own on other people .

But that's not the problem is it? You're simply evading the issue. Which is what most muslims do anyway, so I'm not surprised. It's a bit of a backwards religion and we'll just have to accept it at some point.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

How many christian minorities are trying to impose their beliefs in Iran?

And it's bullshit, I've had enough of this cultural relativism. Our values are better. That those women would be willing to dress up like that is nonsense and you know it.

I'm not talking just about religious values, ideologies in itself as well - like the states invading or intervening (however you see it) and therefore violence in the name of liberalism and democracy. I understand that that's a whole different argument altogether, but I guess you and I will have to disagree on this, whilst you may believe ( I would assume so ) that such acts are just and is in everyone's interests, I see it as just another form of imposing their ideology - be it better or for worse, I disagree with such tactics. I guess in a shrewd way I consider myself a realist.

And I am telling a wholehearted truth when I say I have met those women who do it willingly. I don't know if you would call me biased since I am Muslim but I don't cover myself up but that is my choice but being Asian and Muslim I trust I have had far more interaction with these muslim women than you have, though I may be wrong.

I just think the belief that one's values is better and the need to impose it is the root of all evil, that's all.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

isnt that what the west is trying to do as well ? you said it yourself, you believe your values are better - and so do your leaders and hence we have this whole jihad vs mcworld thing going on

personally, i dont think either values are better, just different. i am against any form of imposing any values on anyone though. each to his/her own. and muslim countries and leaders and all that problems aside - i think when someone sees a covered woman say in the states or australia they think of oppression and such and get disgusted - but has it ever occured to anyone that it could be that woman's choice to actually cover herself up? it is true some women do decide to actually wear it willingly ... i think judging a covered woman is equally as bad as others judging a western woman dressing sexily as well .

although i guess it is a bit naive and against human nature to expect everybody to just respect everyone's beliefs and opinions.

you know i will finish reading this post as soon as the new headlines come


"western country bans islamic singer for wearing too much hijab"


you know the argument is silly really, the west has a higher per capita GDP and part of the reasons is our values

 

[sallyinzaghi]

But that's not the problem is it? You're simply evading the issue. Which is what most muslims do anyway, so I'm not surprised. It's a bit of a backwards religion and we'll just have to accept it at some point.

What are you on about ? I am merely responding to your statement that muslims impose their values on people - I am saying that non muslims do it too, maybe it's not religion wise but with other ideas, and the feel the need to 'impose' I believe is what's causing all these problems, that's all.

 

[Seven]

I'm not talking just about religious values, ideologies in itself as well - like the states invading or intervening (however you see it) and therefore violence in the name of liberalism and democracy. I understand that that's a whole different argument altogether, but I guess you and I will have to disagree on this, whilst you may believe ( I would assume so ) that such acts are just and is in everyone's interests, I see it as just another form of imposing their ideology - be it better or for worse, I disagree with such tactics. I guess in a shrewd way I consider myself a realist.

And I am telling a wholehearted truth when I say I have met those women who do it willingly. I don't know if you would call me biased since I am Muslim but I don't cover myself up but that is my choice but being Asian and Muslim I trust I have had far more interaction with these muslim women than you have, though I may be wrong.

I just think the belief that one's values is better and the need to impose it is the root of all evil, that's all.

There are a lot of muslims in Antwerp and in Europe in general, so it's not that I don't have the chances to talk to them.

You're not the realist here, sally. You're an idealist. Someone has to impose their beliefs. It's impossible to live in a world in which everyone can follow their own ideology. Because, like I said before, some things conflict too much. In the end, we'll have to pick.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

you know i will finish reading this post as soon as the new headlines come


"western country bans islamic singer for wearing too much hijab"

I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen actually. France already imposed a similar ban, so did Turkey.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

you wanna bet? i say the "muslim father kills daughter for dressing like a slut" headline comes first

 

[sallyinzaghi]

There are a lot of muslims in Antwerp and in Europe in general, so it's not that I don't have the chances to talk to them.

You're not the realist here, sally. You're an idealist. Someone has to impose their beliefs. It's impossible to live in a world in which everyone can follow their own ideology. Because, like I said before, some things conflict too much. In the end, we'll have to pick.

Maybe a cross between the two. Realist in the sense that I do believe states act in their self interest and not intervene with other countries and all that jazz. Idealist ... I hope we can all come to just respecting everyone's values but like I said before I do acknowledge that that is naive, and will never happen. Oh well.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

you wanna bet? i say the "muslim father kills daughter for dressing like a slut" headline comes first

Ohhh I dont know, maybe that will come out in the west and in the east the headline will be something along the lines of " woman wearing hijab not allowed to enter supermarket " or something

 

[Seven]

What are you on about ? I am merely responding to your statement that muslims impose their values on people - I am saying that non muslims do it too, maybe it's not religion wise but with other ideas, and the feel the need to 'impose' I believe is what's causing all these problems, that's all.

I never said non muslims didn't do it. I said they have to.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

I never said non muslims didn't do it. I said they have to.

Ah, okay then - I misread that part. Well you're right, in the end it all comes down to picking sides.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

seven, i guess anything is worthwhile for 72 virgins