Avril Lavigne too sexy for Malaysia (18 Viewers)

[Seven]

Ah, okay then - I misread that part. Well you're right, in the end it all comes down to picking sides.

One of the things that is underestimated IMO is the somewhat extremist behaviour of muslims in diaspora. As is the case with many religious people, they become extremist when they are in an environment that doesn't share their beliefs. 10 years ago this was an issue for racist political parties, but sadly enough the situation has evolved in such fashion that it's a real problem today.

 

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[bianconero]

You honestly don't know why I picked that date?

Tell me why then.

 

[Seven]

seven, i guess anything is worthwhile for 72 virgins

I've always wondered where they got that from... because it isn't in the Quran is it?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Ah, okay then - I misread that part. Well you're right, in the end it all comes down to picking sides.

keep in mind though, that the day supermarkets in th west don't let the hijaers in, that will be the day when those with crosses can't get in either

 

[Snoop]

so 1st no single woman wants to be covered up, then in the end ther are exceptions? make up your mind

I knew I wrote that, but I didn't bother to fix it. That shows how some of you would escape discussing this.

 

[Seven]

Tell me why then.

Come on, let's not be silly. What's the real issue here?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I've always wondered where they got that from... because it isn't in the Quran is it?

all a tiny misunderstanding

 

[Seven]

keep in mind though, that the day supermarkets in th west don't let the hijaers in, that will be the day when those with crosses can't get in either

We have the possibility to ridicule. Extremist christian groups get ridiculed. The possibility to laugh things away isn't there in some islamic countries. And that's sad, because laughter is what's needed against religious dictators. I don't know why, but they get taken seriously. It's what western society did with christianity I suppose, only we stopped doing so quite a while ago.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

One of the things that is underestimated IMO is the somewhat extremist behaviour of muslims in diaspora. As is the case with many religious people, they become extremist when they are in an environment that doesn't share their beliefs. 10 years ago this was an issue for racist political parties, but sadly enough the situation has evolved in such fashion that it's a real problem today.

Indeed.

And I don't know how this is really related but while we're at it - I think a lot of people are ignorant of the difference between mainstream Islam and culture - some things that the Arabs deem are "Islam" or Islamic may be somewhat a concoction from their own Arabic culture, and this is similarly done in South East Asia as well. But it's too hopeful to expect the general public to distinguish these differences

 

[Seven]

Indeed.

And I don't know how this is really related but while we're at it - I think a lot of people are ignorant of the difference between mainstream Islam and culture - some things that the Arabs deem are "Islam" or Islamic may be somewhat a concoction from their own Arabic culture, and this is similarly done in South East Asia as well. But it's too hopeful to expect the general public to distinguish these differences

Yes, but then again, contrary to popular belief the Quran does allow for violence. I mean, bashing the heads of those unwilling to believe is quite violent, no matter how you might read it. It's not a problem of Islam per se, it's a problem all religions encounter at some point. The thing is though, western society has advanced. I wonder if the same might be possible in islamic countries.

 

[Bozi]

Yes, but then again, contrary to popular belief the Quran does allow for violence. I mean, bashing the heads of those unwilling to believe is quite violent, no matter how you might read it. It's not a problem of Islam per se, it's a problem all religions encounter at some point. The thing is though, western society has advanced. I wonder if the same might be possible in islamic countries.

not ALL of western society has evolved,take a look at the "bible belt" in america and you will see incredible levels of intolerance.

but i agree with seven on the fact that muslims seem to want to force their beliefs onto others,there are people out there who want to change the name of christmas because it offends religious minorities! fine, the if we go down that road then lets see how they feel about us changing the name of ramadan,or passover...you get the idea

 

[Seven]

not ALL of western society has evolved,take a look at the "bible belt" in america and you will see incredible levels of intolerance.

but i agree with seven on the fact that muslims seem to want to force their beliefs onto others,there are people out there who want to change the name of christmas because it offends religious minorities! fine, the if we go down that road then lets see how they feel about us changing the name of ramadan,or passover...you get the idea

Yeah, I already referred to the Bible Belt before, but I should have done it again.

 

[bianconero]

Come on, let's not be silly. What's the real issue here?

Really, why that year?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Ah, well, even how "advanced" the west has socially become in certain parts are relative. The world is pretty much doomed, everyone's just too different like it or not. Like morgenthau said instead of trying to create a one world, which is almost impossible, it's best to settle for the lesser evil.

 

[Seven]

Really, why that year?

Wow. I did not see this one coming. The French Revolution.

 

[Snoop]

That's a great deal of assumption. While you may be right that most women do not want to - and again I reiterate that I do not agree with governments making such imposes on women - you are forgetting the real point here, there are cases whereby even if it is fear of God, that woman has chosen to embrace Islam and accept it and thus cover herself up willingly. Just like nuns who decide to do the same. Why can't we just let them be and let them embrace whatever religions and lifestyle they decide upon ? It is their belief, their choice. Likewise those who decide not to embrace any religion or a different one should be left with their own choices too. What I find is highly hypocritical is that though one may disagree with other values, you can't impose your own on other people .

It's not an assumption at all, I live in a Muslim country and I know exactly what is going on. I know what men would do if I look at their wives, girls and if she looks back. For these examples they are covered, and some of them are violent, cases like these might end up with murder. Just like what we heard that day, how a father killed his daughter for converting to Christian. When it comes to religion, most of Muslims has no tolerance, hence you can't act freeily.

Like I said, some of you guys are free to choose, your family is seems and probably is educated, this allows you to act freely (don't get me wrong, I am not claiming the opposite, that whoever covers is uneducated).

Like I said most of those who covers are forced to, and I know very well it is not an order for Muslim girls to cover, that's not what written in Quraan, but some would claim the opposite and won't allow that to happen in their family/society.

and this case is not comparable with nuns, they are religious persons, work for Church, totally different issue.

 

[bianconero]

ah, I see.

Not too sure I agree though.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I think Avril Lavigne should be forced to wear a hijaab.She might actually look good in it.

 

[bianconero]

I thought her name was an anagram.

 

[HelterSkelter]

With the other word being?