Arturo Vidal (83 Viewers)

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Juve lost 5 times 02/03 CL league season... barring the home win against Madrid Juve were hardly convincing throughout the tournament. Juve also gifted Madrid a CL win in 01/02 because of that transfer and the reason why they are such a popular club with such a high revenue. Madrid's revenue was lower than Juve's before that transfer and since then they earned more than €2b more than Juve. it was a terrible transfer for Juve.
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Dino_mk

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Sep 5, 2007
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Madrid's revenue was lower than Juve's before that transfer and since then they earned more than €2b more than Juve. it was a terrible transfer for Juve.
Madrid earned that much mostly because in their most difficult period, Spanish king bought their sport complex for 1 billion € and then gifted it back to them. I think that happened twice in last 20 years.
In Juves case, Elkan invested pinnuts and Juve is still paying for them.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Juve lost 5 times 02/03 CL league season... barring the home win against Madrid Juve were hardly convincing throughout the tournament. Juve also gifted Madrid a CL win in 01/02 because of that transfer and the reason why they are such a popular club with such a high revenue. Madrid's revenue was lower than Juve's before that transfer and since then they earned more than €2b more than Juve. it was a terrible transfer for Juve.
I disagree with that. By selling Zidane we had managed to acquire top players like Thuram, Buffon and Nedved, and these became key players for us, who had more impact than Zidane. Frenchman was unmotivated in the last few years here and often under performed. His foolishness (headbutting) got us eliminated from the CL. The reason for Real's popularity go far beyond Zidane's transfer.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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From redcafe

Vidal and Herrera midfield duo would remind me of Anderson and Cleverley partnership in the 2011/2012 campaign.
There seems to be this near obsession with defensive midfielders, it seems if a player shows any offensive ability he couldn't possibly be considered a good defensive midfielder. Herrera and Vidals defensive ability seems to be severely underrated here, yes they aren't as good as a top defensive midfielder like Busquets but they aren't far off and having another play next to them who is equally efficent defensively balances it out nicely. Having two, interchangable midfielders is the future to me, who do you pick up? Who do you sit on to exploit defensive weaknesses? I'd argue there's far more balance with two all rounders than having an offensive and defensive midfielder.
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jukazem

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Feb 10, 2007
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I disagree with that. By selling Zidane we had managed to acquire top players like Thuram, Buffon and Nedved, and these became key players for us, who had more impact than Zidane. Frenchman was unmotivated in the last few years here and often under performed. His foolishness (headbutting) got us eliminated from the CL.
even if the replacing players have more impact it also matters what the departing player has on the other team. Zidane won the CL with Madrid, so we lost. It's comparative in competitive football, it matters what the other teams are doing.

for instance, if in theory 15 is what it takes to win and Juve improves +1 from 10 from a transfer while Madrid improves +1 from 14 then our +1 is a losing share. we are doing catch up, Juve must figure out how to strengthen without strengthening a rival because Juve have to close the gap with the european heavyweights.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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even if the replacing players have more impact it also matters what the departing player has on the other team. Zidane won the CL with Madrid, so we lost. It's comparative in competitive football, it matters what the other teams are doing.

for instance, if in theory 15 is what it takes to win and Juve improves +1 from 10 from a transfer while Madrid improves +1 from 14 then our +1 is a losing share. we are doing catch up, Juve must figure out how to strengthen without strengthening a rival because Juve have to close the gap with the european heavyweights.
Apart from 2001/02 and mind you that Real already had a stellar team, with the likes of Carlos, Figo, Raul, Hierro, they underachieved in Europe for more than a decade. Juve smashed them on every occasion they met, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09 and recorded better results in the CL.

The point being made here is that Zidane's sale helped Juve to build more competitive side, and the real difference in incomes between the two clubs, who were pretty much side by side even after Zidane's departure, started after calciopolli.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Apart from 2001/02 and mind you that Real already had a stellar team, with the likes of Carlos, Figo, Raul, Hierro, they underachieved in Europe for more than a decade. Juve smashed them on every occasion they met, 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09 and recorded better results in the CL.

The point being made here is that Zidane's sale helped Juve to build more competitive side, and the real difference in incomes between the two clubs, who were pretty much side by side even after Zidane's departure, started after calciopolli.
Its clear as water that Zidane just doesnt wanted Juve anymore... he had to be sold no matter what.

I dont know if his sale catapulted madrid in what it is now... but for sure the signing of Zidane... the media hype it created around him, and the fact that in the middle of all that hype, he won the CL... cemented their reputation as the "go to" club. That season when they won with Zidane..was simply what settled them into the force they are now. That was magical.

Of course, Calciopoli destroyed us, but madrid always has been ridiculosly famous.

And yeh... if we were given 2 billion dollars for free, we would turn into a force right away too.

History has been very forgiving to them, not so much to us...sadly.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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RedCafe guys wank over Vidal all day long. The best CM in the world tag is his second name already :lol:

Sky Italia reports we don’t want to sell yet they're convinced one call from LVG will change his mind :D
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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boy i will piss myself if they end up with tom cleverley again this season
they wont. they already got Herrera and are looking for another CM, Carvalho from Sporting Lisbon most likely, or some overratd english CM. if Cleverley stays, he will be 4th choice behind Herrera, new CM, Carrick i think.
 

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