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How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Mostly I agree with you.
Two things I am not sure of.First,I think that in today's football there is no patient improvement or waiting our team to become more economic healthy and then to buy superstars.Simply because before we achieve that our most valued assets will either become too old(Vidal,Marchisio before all but others also) so we will have to start another cycle in order to buy this type of players.Or,we will be forced to sell this type of players like Vidal and Pogba.
I agree that there is no way now Juve to splash 200 mil eur for players.And that's it.Economics are very precise .
Then there will be always oil clubs or billionaires clubs who does not care if the real value of the player is 20 mil and they payed 50.There is no way that we will ever be so financially strong to compete with this clubs.And that's not a shame.
So maybe we are forced to invest as much as economic circumstances allows.So ,in one word there is no way that we can buy Suarez or Cavani,Di MAria now.
We should compete as much as we can .We have,I think very competent management.
Also I don't believe in patient coach thing.Either you are ambitious or you are not I love Conte utmost. I blame him for publicly opening the issues of Juve managing.
I think that there is no better coach than him for us in this moment.All other options are pure idiots including Montella, and that will means two steps back,if we appoint any of them.
I do not know what is the real issue in this row between Conte and the management so I can't comment more but ,as I see the things I stand by the management but urge them to try to convince Conte for staying with us.For the best of Juve.
One thing is rue, we will never be able to compete with the oil teams. never ever. But like you said, what we can do.
The best is to hope that this team becomes as healthy and as selfsustainable as it can get...and do smart buying like Vidal and Pirlo and splash the cash on special must buy affordable stars. Thats the route we should follow till oblivion.

That or let an oil baron buy the club
 
Mar 9, 2006
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All this shit about big transfers is absolute rubbish and splurge - you don't need 50m+ players to be competitive in europe, all you need is good coach, CEO like Marotta and agents like Paratici, who can sign guys like Tevez for 9 millions and Pogba's and Pirlo's for free, look at the god damn atletico madrid, benfica, porto etc. Transfer window is not even opened yet, we don't know which players will join Juventus, so what the point to cry about our financinal limit in the media?! Don't even try to defend Conte here, he is acting very disrespectful here, Agnelli is the guy who believed in him, Agnelli is the guy who put him here and that's how he is paying back - crying in the interviews about our poor economy status :sergio: Why he can't just call to Andrea and to discuss everything that he wants?Maybe because long time ago they arleady discussed it and Andrea stated that in the summer of 14/15 Juventus can't spend a lot of money on transfers? And now in the minds of many fans Conte is the victim, our poor board of directors doesn't want to give money to Conte while he gave them 3 scudetti in a row, what a horrible people sit there :sergio:
 

Dino_mk

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Sep 5, 2007
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...I am speculating that he is thinking about himself and not whats best for Juve. Whats best for Juve is patient slow rebuilding until the club becomes a financial powerhorse or until the small improvements between one transfer window and the next over many years gives us a world class squad (unlikely at such a budget)...
:tup: to all of your post.
I also think that the way this team could develop at this time, is the Atletico and Dortmund model.
There is enough quality in the current squad to allow rotation and playtime of young players that have potential to become top players.
 

Cronios

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BS!!
Where did Conte said that he demands superstars??
Where did Conte said that he want us to invest like PSG or he will leave?
Its disgracefull to his work and love for this club to make such claims!!
Conte hits out our transfer policy of quantity over quality and our inneficiences to make transfers as a club of our class, not Real's class...
 
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    Btw, I have no clue how can some people claim they'd be satisfied with Spalletti if it comes to Conte's departure. I wanted him back in the past too, but that was because we had Ranieri and Del Neri. But now? Give me a break...
     
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    BS!!
    Where did Conte said that he demands superstars??
    Where did Conte said that he want us to invest like PSG or he will leave?

    Its disgracefull to his work and love for this club to make such claims!!
    Conte hits out our transfer policy of quantity over quality and our inneficiences to make transfers as a club of our class, not Real's class...
    “There will be clarity over my position at Juventus over the next few days. I generally don’t agree with a Sabbatical, but if there was a unity of ideas to leave with great affection and respect, then I would evaluate other projects that intrigue me."
    “I won [the Champions League] as a player and one day I want to win it as a coach,” he said. “But if you ask me if it’s possible to do this with Juventus, I would say no.”

    For the 3 years in a row Conte is underrates his team, it's UNACCEPTABLE.
    Do you understand that now it's Agnelli who gave ultimatum to Conte not otherwise, take our policy or resign and we will start to search for replacement on your position
     

    frzl

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    "We have reached an agreement, I hope the announcement is given in a few days"-Marotta
    what´s the source for this? did you watch the interview?
    i didn´t read anything about it on tuttojuve or di marzio´s page :scared:

    last thing i read was marotta saying: "Keeping him is our duty considering what he has accomplished" - which sounds quite good and optimistic but obviously not as good as "agreement reached" :D
     
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    Juventino[RUS];4549226 said:
    “There will be clarity over my position at Juventus over the next few days. I generally don’t agree with a Sabbatical, but if there was a unity of ideas to leave with great affection and respect, then I would evaluate other projects that intrigue me."
    “I won [the Champions League] as a player and one day I want to win it as a coach,” he said. “But if you ask me if it’s possible to do this with Juventus, I would say no.”

    For the 3 years in a row Conte is underrates his team, it's UNACCEPTABLE.
    Do you understand that now it's Agnelli who gave ultimatum to Conte not otherwise, take our policy or resign and we will start to search for replacement on your position
    He's not underrating, he's being honest. Not only honest, but he's right about it.
     
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    He's not underrating, he's being honest. Not only honest, but he's right about it.
    We were priori in the top8 teams of CL with our current lineup and the best team in the Europe league - what more you can ask for as a coach? Yet conte failed both tests, we lost money, and now he blames our squd and transfer policy for it, and u think it's normal?! Simeone, Jesus, Mancini, Emery can only dream about players from our squad, yet conte underrated them as fuck for 24/7 with all this unstoppable bullshit about construction site and other crap, instead of trying to change god damn formation
     
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    He's too pessimistic. I don't think Simeone told something like this to his players. They would never be in the finals if that was the case.
    It's totally different in the dressing room. When they are talking about contract renewal then he's allowed to state his opinion and say if he wants/needs better players in order to make a progression. It's not like we were fighting in semi finals. Our players should not be de-motivated when hearing such, because the same players were struggling in an easy group this year in CL. If our aim is Europe (and it should be, I guess) then serious and bigger investments are needed truly. We're not gonna make a huge progress if we're signing Lulic, Ranocchia and keeping Osvaldo. I highly doubt Conte is asking for a C.Ronaldo, but more suitable players for Europe (which for example Atletico has).
     
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    Juventino[RUS];4549239 said:
    We were priori in the top8 teams of CL with our current lineup and the best team in the Europe league - what more you can ask for as a coach? Yet conte failed both tests, we lost money, and now he blames our squd and transfer policy for it, and u think it's normal?! Simeone, Jesus, Mancini, Emery can only dream about players from our squad, yet conte underrated them as fuck for 24/7 with all this unstoppable bullshit about construction site and other crap, instead of trying to change god damn formation
    I also think Conte is partly to be blamed because we didn't progress through the group stages, hence we lost a lot of money. Mancini had better players at City. Simeone has great players at Atletico.

    But we're fighting for two competitions and our squad is filled with many average and mediocre players who sit on the bench. It's obvious that investments are needed in order to do good in CL. We need a new formation, we need many new players (wingers). If Conte wants wingers and Marotta can only provide him just Nani, I guess that's the problem.

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    Oh and welcome, clapton ;)
     
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    It's totally different in the dressing room. When they are talking about contract renewal then he's allowed to state his opinion and say if he wants/needs better players in order to make a progression. It's not like we were fighting in semi finals. Our players should not be de-motivated when hearing such, because the same players were struggling in an easy group this year in CL. If our aim is Europe (and it should be, I guess) then serious and bigger investments are needed truly. We're not gonna make a huge progress if we're signing Lulic, Ranocchia and keeping Osvaldo. I highly doubt Conte is asking for a C.Ronaldo, but more suitable players for Europe (which for example Atletico has).
    What? Before the season start which player of Atletico was suitable for Europe? Not known Diego Costa? Miranda? Koke? If juventus has signed one of them, thenyou would say "another crap transfer" isn't it? Meh, conte should work better instead of crying about our transfer policy

    Oh and Dortmund, Chelsea, Atletico, Benfica are full of superstars as benchwarmers in their lineups, seriously stop it
     

    clapton

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    Conte did well with this formation/tactics but that is not his style. He's more comfortable with teams with good, fast wingers, counter attack playing, pressing etc. Remember Bari, or our first half of season with him?

    Nani's not a WC player but we need him, Conte need him. Or Cerci, Candreva. He needs good wingers.
     
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    Juventino[RUS];4549247 said:
    What? Before the season start which player of Atletico was suitable for Europe? Not known Diego Costa? Miranda? Koke? If juventus has signed one of them, thenyou would say "another crap transfer" isn't it? Meh, conte should work better instead of crying about our transfer policy

    Oh and Dortmund, Chelsea, Atletico, Benfica are full of superstars as benchwarmers in their lineups, seriously stop it
    Koke was great last season as well, he's not a new discovery by any means.

    Those players are all worth tons of cash due to their potential/age. In our team we have Vidal and Pogba. Plenty of their individuals are better than ours. Our team is strong as a team but individually not so much. Our team is like a machine, but with no brain, Atletico has both. Simeone is surely a great coach (at least at this point), but just look how many great players he has, those who are modern type of player suited for Europe. In Europe we have Pirlo who's old, way too fragile defense and no width, no creativity whatsoever if Pirlo gets shut down. We're lethargic and that stuff can only be paid off in Serie A due to its weakness. I'm not saying we have shit players, far from it, but we lack A LOT in order to be competitive in Europe because even shit teams can cause us troubles.
     

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    I also think Conte is partly to be blamed because we didn't progress through the group stages, hence we lost a lot of money. Mancini had better players at City. Simeone has great players at Atletico.

    But we're fighting for two competitions and our squad is filled with many average and mediocre players who sit on the bench. It's obvious that investments are needed in order to do good in CL. We need a new formation, we need many new players (wingers). If Conte wants wingers and Marotta can only provide him just Nani, I guess that's the problem.

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    Oh and welcome, clapton ;)
    He's obviously talking about Manicini with Gala.
     

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