Antonio Conte (92 Viewers)

[Vlad]

He came out to them and said all these things, complained for the lack of Cavanis, Falcaos, doubting is this team gonna be up for the next year's challenge, and pondering whether to stay or leave. I don't pay attention to what media writes, but when your coach in his own words says some things, I tend to take it little more seriously.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

He came out to them and said all these things, complained for the lack of Cavanis, Falcaos, doubting is this team gonna be up for the next year's challenge, and pondering whether to stay or leave.

So in other words he said that he wants reinforcements so we can succeed in Champions like everyone else is screaming for and yet somehow that translates to him leaving. It's called bargaining in the public square. It's a common tactic

 

[Osman]

Dont put this on media, I cant believe I'm saying this, but DelPiero84 is right. Its Conte who put his future into question, he brought up him leaving Juve, or taking a sabbatical, unless they come to an understanding of mutual cohesion or whatever he said. ALL of this was started and fueled by him and his own words, no one elses.

 

[Vlad]

So in other words he said that he wants reinforcements so we can succeed in Champions like everyone else is screaming for and yet somehow that translates to him leaving. It's called bargaining in the public square. It's a common tactic

It's a wrong tactic mate, since no one is asking for a CL challenge, but passing the group stage is more than sufficient at this point. He can't call for all these names and get frustrated when he couldn't even pass the first obstacle on the way, and for that this team is more than capable.

Another thing that he accomplised is that majority of the fans in Italy have started to turn against him. I've been browsing through their forums and people over there seem to be disappointed in him, even calling for Agnelli to end their collaboration. He lost some respect.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's a wrong tactic mate, since no one is asking for a CL challenge, but passing the group stage is more than sufficient at this point. He can't call for all these names and get frustrated when he couldn't even pass the first obstacle on the way, and for that this team is more than capable.

Well to be honest he never truly mentioned names. That was media injected bs. All he said ,I heard and read the actual interview, was that the club needed to invest in moving forward even if it meant changing popular names or bringing in some players of a different quality

 

[Vlad]

Well to be honest he never truly mentioned names. That was media injected bs. All he said ,I heard and read the actual interview, was that the club needed to invest in moving forward even if it meant changing popular names or bringing in some players of a different quality

He did plenty of times during the season whenever the question of this year's CL campaign was raised. If he didn't complain about Pepe's unavailability and not being able to change the system because of it, the second excuse would be lack of those players.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

He did plenty of times during the season whenever the question of this year's CL campaign was raised. If he didn't complain about Pepe's unavailability and not being able to change the system because of it, the second excuse would be lack of those players.

Once again. Mostly media made up bs. Find me video where he says names and I'll believe it.

 

[Vlad]

Once again. Mostly media made up bs. Find me video where he says names and I'll believe it.

Google it and you'll find something, or browse through the previous 10-20 pages.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Google it and you'll find something, or browse through the previous 10-20 pages.

Everything I have seen he never demanded nor required on,y suggestions of things he would like to see. As any coach on any club

 

[Albo]

Conte

 

[Hydde]

He came out to them and said all these things, complained for the lack of Cavanis, Falcaos, doubting is this team gonna be up for the next year's challenge, and pondering whether to stay or leave. I don't pay attention to what media writes, but when your coach in his own words says some things, I tend to take it little more seriously.

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[Vlad]

Everything I have seen he never demanded nor required on,y suggestions of things he would like to see. As any coach on any club

He can't come out and ask directly for these players, but he tends to mention few of them frequently in his interviews, especially when finding excuses for unsuccessful European campaign. No point in doing that IMO when you can't even beat Galata or FCK. You don't need players like Di Maria for that.

 

[Zacheryah]

According to the media last week and the week before, we were signing sanchez, di maria and evra , and pogba was off to psg


when will these players be presented ?

 

[Linebreak]

alessio: oh snap $#@! might pop off

carerra: dafuq does pogba have on his head?

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dont want to upset the team before sunday's blockbuster v cagliari

Too late for that I think - could be one ugly performance.

 

[Nomuken]

All this Conte Fiasco is making me nauseous already.

 

[juventus4life]

He can't come out and ask directly for these players, but he tends to mention few of them frequently in his interviews, especially when finding excuses for unsuccessful European campaign. No point in doing that IMO when you can't even beat Galata or FCK. You don't need players like Di Maria for that.

I have no doubt that Conte could deliver more Scudettos with the current team. And I appreciate his work for that. And I think the best Conte could do is EL trophy given we sign some new high quality players. In any case, we're not CL materials.

 

[Hist]

My personal stance on whats happening is that I dont like it one little bit.

I think it goes without saying the Conte was the key driver of our recent successes and that he has over achieved in his first season with us and met his objectives in the second while he met some of the objectives this season but not others. I'd rate his first and second seasons 10/10 and this season a 7. If we had went past the Group stages I'd call it a 9/10 as long as we eventually get kicked out against a top team like Madrid, Bayern or Barca.

The objectives for this season should have been the same as last: Win the league, get past the group stage and crash out against teams that are superior. While we have definitely strengthened last summer by signing Tevez, Llorente and having an improved Pogba the increase in Quality of the squad does not yet merit a CL title challenge. The teams that were superior to us last year should have remained superior to us and the teams that were inferior should have definitely remained inferior and by a bigger margin than before. Sadly, we failed to beat teams that we should be able to beat for whatever reasons such as Benfica, Galata and Copenhagen.

This squad should be capable of getting past that group that we got and should only crash out the CL against opposition that are rightfully superior to us. There is no shame in losing out to Bayern the same way that there is no shame in Napoli's CL exit in such a tough group. But there is definitely shame in crashing out in the group that we had where we should be able to defeat 3 out of the 4 teams in the group.


Signing players like Lulic, Candreva, Nani, Menez, Cerci, Immobile and the likes would definitely improve the squad just like how Tevez and Llorente's signings did. These players however, would not be enough to lift us above squads that are rightfully superior to us. With these signings we'd be maintaining our position as a very hard team to beat that should secure 1) Serie A and 2) CL group stage passage and 3) win against the likes of Galata, Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Celtic, Shakhtar, Valencia, Sevilla, Lyon etc... in knockout stages and 4) Lose out to PSG, Bayern, City, Barca, Madrid and whoever else overperforms like Athletico or Dortmund in the past few years.

As far as I understand Juve is prepared financially to meet those needs and make those type of signings and it is very reasonable to set your objectives as these 4 points that I made above. Until some time ago, Conte too seemed satisfied with the fact that he is re-building Juve until it is financially strong enough to be able to compete with the star studded teams mentioned above and he seemed to acknowledge that the squad will keep getting better gradually but not by big enough jumps of quality that would make Juve a contender.

This changed in the last few weeks. Conte seems to have run out of patience. He doesnt look like he wants to wait till the club is rich enough to make super-signings. It seems that he wants to be a contender in Europe now. The criticisms to his ability as a coach seem to have gotten to his head which is not unwarranted. Winning Serie A this year has gotten him very little praise and it'll be very difficult to win it again next season and as things stand Juve will probably make it out of the group stages next season but lose against the first top opposition. Imagine this scenario for next year and how it would affect Conte's reputation as a coach. Finish 2nd in Serie A and a quarterfinal exit in the CL against a star studded team. I believe that something along those lines is on Conte's mind and is the reason behind his demanding the club to splash the cash over superstars.

I am speculating that he is thinking about himself and not whats best for Juve. Whats best for Juve is patient slow rebuilding until the club becomes a financial powerhorse or until the small improvements between one transfer window and the next over many years gives us a world class squad (unlikely at such a budget).


If my assumptions are true, I doubt that management will change its mind and that Conte will have to be patient and just be satisfied with an improved squad just not one that is improved by a big enough margin to make us contenders. He'll have to make do with a Serie A title challenge or win and a CL run similar to the one we did last season (QF). I am with management on this one even though I love Conte and despise Agnelli (For what he did to DP).
Management is in a peculiar position.. do we take a huge financial risk that will backfire if the team doesnt mount a real challenge in the CL or do we take the risk of sacking the key figure behind the success of our rebuilding project and try to replace him with someone who is more patient?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Alessio: "Tonio, what the fuck is going on?"
Conte: "..........(flying in the sky)"

 

[Hydde]

My personal stance on whats happening is that I dont like it one little bit.

I think it goes without saying the Conte was the key driver of our recent successes and that he has over achieved in his first season with us and met his objectives in the second while he met some of the objectives this season but not others. I'd rate his first and second seasons 10/10 and this season a 7. If we had went past the Group stages I'd call it a 9/10 as long as we eventually get kicked out against a top team like Madrid, Bayern or Barca.

The objectives for this season should have been the same as last: Win the league, get past the group stage and crash out against teams that are superior. While we have definitely strengthened last summer by signing Tevez, Llorente and having an improved Pogba the increase in Quality of the squad does not yet merit a CL title challenge. The teams that were superior to us last year should have remained superior to us and the teams that were inferior should have definitely remained inferior and by a bigger margin than before. Sadly, we failed to beat teams that we should be able to beat for whatever reasons such as Benfica, Galata and Copenhagen.

This squad should be capable of getting past that group that we got and should only crash out the CL against opposition that are rightfully superior to us. There is no shame in losing out to Bayern the same way that there is no shame in Napoli's CL exit in such a tough group. But there is definitely shame in crashing out in the group that we had where we should be able to defeat 3 out of the 4 teams in the group.


Signing players like Lulic, Candreva, Nani, Menez, Cerci, Immobile and the likes would definitely improve the squad just like how Tevez and Llorente's signings did. These players however, would not be enough to lift us above squads that are rightfully superior to us. With these signings we'd be maintaining our position as a very hard team to beat that should secure 1) Serie A and 2) CL group stage passage and 3) win against the likes of Galata, Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Celtic, Shakhtar, Valencia, Sevilla, Lyon etc... in knockout stages and 4) Lose out to PSG, Bayern, City, Barca, Madrid and whoever else overperforms like Athletico or Dortmund in the past few years.

As far as I understand Juve is prepared financially to meet those needs and make those type of signings and it is very reasonable to set your objectives as these 4 points that I made above. Until some time ago, Conte too seemed satisfied with the fact that he is re-building Juve until it is financially strong enough to be able to compete with the star studded teams mentioned above and he seemed to acknowledge that the squad will keep getting better gradually but not by big enough jumps of quality that would make Juve a contender.

This changed in the last few weeks. Conte seems to have run out of patience. He doesnt look like he wants to wait till the club is rich enough to make super-signings. It seems that he wants to be a contender in Europe now. The criticisms to his ability as a coach seem to have gotten to his head which is not unwarranted. Winning Serie A this year has gotten him very little praise and it'll be very difficult to win it again next season and as things stand Juve will probably make it out of the group stages next season but lose against the first top opposition. Imagine this scenario for next year and how it would affect Conte's reputation as a coach. Finish 2nd in Serie A and a quarterfinal exit in the CL against a star studded team. I believe that something along those lines is on Conte's mind and is the reason behind his demanding the club to splash the cash over superstars.

I am speculating that he is thinking about himself and not whats best for Juve. Whats best for Juve is patient slow rebuilding until the club becomes a financial powerhorse or until the small improvements between one transfer window and the next over many years gives us a world class squad (unlikely at such a budget).


If my assumptions are true, I doubt that management will change its mind and that Conte will have to be patient and just be satisfied with an improved squad just not one that is improved by a big enough margin to make us contenders. He'll have to make do with a Serie A title challenge or win and a CL run similar to the one we did last season (QF). I am with management on this one even though I love Conte and despise Agnelli (For what he did to DP).
Management is in a peculiar position.. do we take a huge financial risk that will backfire if the team doesnt mount a real challenge in the CL or do we take the risk of sacking the key figure behind the success of our rebuilding project and try to replace him with someone who is more patient?

Excellent post.

And yes, he is dounting about himself in europe and yes he maybe thinks he will fail to deliver one more league. He shoudnt be like that-

And yes, he needs to be SATISFIED with players like sanchez and nani, which are totally the level a team with the spending power like Juventus deserve.
And yes he shoould make those guys work in a way that we improve our record in europe. I hope he wins serie A again, nt necesarily destroying records left and right..but he definitely will have the players to do it. If not, well change will have to come at last.

and this is important

Management is in a peculiar position.. do we take a huge financial risk that will backfire if the team doesnt mount a real challenge in the CL or do we take the risk of sacking the key figure behind the success of our rebuilding project and try to replace him with someone who is more patient?

Yes, believe in me that i dont liked , not even a little what agnelli did to DP, and believe me that im still pissed that he is nto with us... but on managerial matters, i really think agnellia nd co. are doing a fine job...and from those ugly years after calciopoli, to be fair with them, i have seen the team only going forward. We need to continue that path until we reach the economical place we need to be, even if that means priving ourselves from superstar players.

 

[DUKAC]

My personal stance on whats happening is that I dont like it one little bit.

I think it goes without saying the Conte was the key driver of our recent successes and that he has over achieved in his first season with us and met his objectives in the second while he met some of the objectives this season but not others. I'd rate his first and second seasons 10/10 and this season a 7. If we had went past the Group stages I'd call it a 9/10 as long as we eventually get kicked out against a top team like Madrid, Bayern or Barca.

The objectives for this season should have been the same as last: Win the league, get past the group stage and crash out against teams that are superior. While we have definitely strengthened last summer by signing Tevez, Llorente and having an improved Pogba the increase in Quality of the squad does not yet merit a CL title challenge. The teams that were superior to us last year should have remained superior to us and the teams that were inferior should have definitely remained inferior and by a bigger margin than before. Sadly, we failed to beat teams that we should be able to beat for whatever reasons such as Benfica, Galata and Copenhagen.

This squad should be capable of getting past that group that we got and should only crash out the CL against opposition that are rightfully superior to us. There is no shame in losing out to Bayern the same way that there is no shame in Napoli's CL exit in such a tough group. But there is definitely shame in crashing out in the group that we had where we should be able to defeat 3 out of the 4 teams in the group.


Signing players like Lulic, Candreva, Nani, Menez, Cerci, Immobile and the likes would definitely improve the squad just like how Tevez and Llorente's signings did. These players however, would not be enough to lift us above squads that are rightfully superior to us. With these signings we'd be maintaining our position as a very hard team to beat that should secure 1) Serie A and 2) CL group stage passage and 3) win against the likes of Galata, Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Celtic, Shakhtar, Valencia, Sevilla, Lyon etc... in knockout stages and 4) Lose out to PSG, Bayern, City, Barca, Madrid and whoever else overperforms like Athletico or Dortmund in the past few years.

As far as I understand Juve is prepared financially to meet those needs and make those type of signings and it is very reasonable to set your objectives as these 4 points that I made above. Until some time ago, Conte too seemed satisfied with the fact that he is re-building Juve until it is financially strong enough to be able to compete with the star studded teams mentioned above and he seemed to acknowledge that the squad will keep getting better gradually but not by big enough jumps of quality that would make Juve a contender.

This changed in the last few weeks. Conte seems to have run out of patience. He doesnt look like he wants to wait till the club is rich enough to make super-signings. It seems that he wants to be a contender in Europe now. The criticisms to his ability as a coach seem to have gotten to his head which is not unwarranted. Winning Serie A this year has gotten him very little praise and it'll be very difficult to win it again next season and as things stand Juve will probably make it out of the group stages next season but lose against the first top opposition. Imagine this scenario for next year and how it would affect Conte's reputation as a coach. Finish 2nd in Serie A and a quarterfinal exit in the CL against a star studded team. I believe that something along those lines is on Conte's mind and is the reason behind his demanding the club to splash the cash over superstars.

I am speculating that he is thinking about himself and not whats best for Juve. Whats best for Juve is patient slow rebuilding until the club becomes a financial powerhorse or until the small improvements between one transfer window and the next over many years gives us a world class squad (unlikely at such a budget).


If my assumptions are true, I doubt that management will change its mind and that Conte will have to be patient and just be satisfied with an improved squad just not one that is improved by a big enough margin to make us contenders. He'll have to make do with a Serie A title challenge or win and a CL run similar to the one we did last season (QF). I am with management on this one even though I love Conte and despise Agnelli (For what he did to DP).
Management is in a peculiar position.. do we take a huge financial risk that will backfire if the team doesnt mount a real challenge in the CL or do we take the risk of sacking the key figure behind the success of our rebuilding project and try to replace him with someone who is more patient?

Mostly I agree with you.
Two things I am not sure of.First,I think that in today's football there is no patient improvement or waiting our team to become more economic healthy and then to buy superstars.Simply because before we achieve that our most valued assets will either become too old(Vidal,Marchisio before all but others also) so we will have to start another cycle in order to buy this type of players.Or,we will be forced to sell this type of players like Vidal and Pogba.
I agree that there is no way now Juve to splash 200 mil eur for players.And that's it.Economics are very precise .
Then there will be always oil clubs or billionaires clubs who does not care if the real value of the player is 20 mil and they payed 50.There is no way that we will ever be so financially strong to compete with this clubs.And that's not a shame.
So maybe we are forced to invest as much as economic circumstances allows.So ,in one word there is no way that we can buy Suarez or Cavani,Di MAria now.
We should compete as much as we can .We have,I think very competent management.
Also I don't believe in patient coach thing.Either you are ambitious or you are not I love Conte utmost. I blame him for publicly opening the issues of Juve managing.
I think that there is no better coach than him for us in this moment.All other options are pure idiots including Montella, and that will means two steps back,if we appoint any of them.
I do not know what is the real issue in this row between Conte and the management so I can't comment more but ,as I see the things I stand by the management but urge them to try to convince Conte for staying with us.For the best of Juve.