Antonio Conte (107 Viewers)

[Mister]

Instead of your garbage response, try to read what he says.

Basically, he says that we dont have the players to field the winger formations the infants demand.
And that is pretty correct

Exactly ....if conte had the players for 4-3-3 and if he would think its more suitable he would surely do it ...he is not a fool he started wth 4-2-4 then when vidal and pirlo came he made it a 4-3-3 mvp then when we lost our wingers he changed it to a 3-5-2 , through which he has got us success i dont get it why some say he is tactically inept . He is italian learnt from lippi what do you expect ?

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Exactly ....if conte had the players for 4-3-3 and if he would think its more suitable he would surely do it ...he is not a fool he started wth 4-2-4 then when vidal and pirlo came he made it a 4-3-3 mvp then when we lost our wingers he changed it to a 3-5-2 , through which he has got us success i dont get it why some say he is tactically inept . He is italian learnt from lippi what do you expect ?

lets not forget that we've not had a viable left back since Conte took charge, even got to a stage when Grosso even stepped hence to switch to 3 at the back

 

[Zacheryah]

Look, I'm gonna keep this simple. No one is asking to play a "fancy offensive formation". It's useless changing to a 4-3-3 NOW, because we lack the proper players. We need players who could create something next Summer. Our team is a machine, but if there's one thing we lack, it's creativity which even showed us in Europe because the quality is better than Serie A. No one is asking to play a Bayern like formation.

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I think it's you who don't read what we say. No is asking for a fancy offensive formation, dolt.

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I'll be back, anuses.

Look at this, finally a non bullshit post, wich some actual value. +rep. More of this.

On the other hand, telling that the "352 sucks" and giving the reason why he thinks so, is actually the same as saying '"we need a better formation"

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Exactly ....if conte had the players for 4-3-3 and if he would think its more suitable he would surely do it ...he is not a fool he started wth 4-2-4 then when vidal and pirlo came he made it a 4-3-3 mvp then when we lost our wingers he changed it to a 3-5-2 , through which he has got us success i dont get it why some say he is tactically inept . He is italian learnt from lippi what do you expect ?

Pirlo says he considers Conte a masterfull tactician.

I'll take il Maestro's word over a bunch of armchair coaches.

 

[Mister]

Look, I'm gonna keep this simple. No one is asking to play a "fancy offensive formation". It's useless changing to a 4-3-3 NOW, because we lack the proper players. We need players who could create something next Summer. Our team is a machine, but if there's one thing we lack, it's creativity which even showed us in Europe because the quality is better than Serie A. No one is asking to play a Bayern like formation.



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I think it's you who don't read what we say. No is asking for a fancy offensive formation, dolt.

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I'll be back, anuses.

Yeah i agree we all would like to have the creative players but we also need to see what we can afford right ? can we afford wingers like di maria or robben etc quality ? these creative players cost the most after strikers that is the problem . If you see isla was our solution he gets into much better position than licht but he just can deliver the final ball . Since you are being reasonable think in realistic terms also of what kind of players we can get and would they be better than what we have ? . We had krasic and elia too for the creativity and that dint work out so we need to be careful this mercato specially as we will be short of funds due to our failure in cl.

 

[Zacheryah]

Yeah i agree we all would like to have the creative players but we also need to see what we can afford right ? can we afford wingers like di maria or robben etc quality ? these creative players cost the most after strikers that is the problem . If you see isla was our solution he gets into much better position than licht but he just can deliver the final ball . Since you are being reasonable think in realistic terms also of what kind of players we can get and would they be better than what we have ? . We had krasic and elia too for the creativity and that dint work out so we need to be careful this mercato specially as we will be short of funds due to our failure in cl.

We look to keep Pogba. So we will have a small net spend mercato. The player we get, should be versatile. able to play SS or CM , but also a wide position.

Players such as Nani and Cerci come into mind.

 

[Mister]

Look at this, finally a non bull$#@! post, wich some actual value. +rep. More of this.

On the other hand, telling that the "352 sucks" and giving the reason why he thinks so, is actually the same as saying '"we need a better formation"

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Pirlo says he considers Conte a masterfull tactician.

I'll take il Maestro's word over a bunch of armchair coaches.

Ofcourse he is fantastic if you actually look at it has made a winning team out of not wanted players of other teams like barza pirlo tevez , even vidal pogba licht have grown so much they never came as world class but they have become so good .
Not like he is perfect but no one is , he makes mistakes he is learning , i also dont like some things about him like his not very quick in judging the game as it goes on , he must be doing great homework but during the match his subs are not upto mark , others feel its the formation or style of play but all im saying is the " the whole is greater than the sum of its parts "( 3 scudetto , supercopa , ql cl , sf el ) .

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We look to keep Pogba. So we will have a small net spend mercato. The player we get, should be versatile. able to play SS or CM , but also a wide position.

Players such as Nani and Cerci come into mind.

yeah pogba should be kept , we should not weaken our team only strengthen . cerci is good for 4-3-2-1 also and a 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 , with nani u cant do 3-5-2 . immobile also is quality i dont know why juve management is not thinkin of getting him or maybe they are.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[Pirlo-Il-Mozart]

Ciao a tutti!

sono nuovo

 

[Suns]

What the hell are ya'll two talking about? First of all, we can play 4-3-3 if we want. Just put one of Vucinic/Tevez/Osvaldo on one wing and Gio on the other and we have enough firepower to beat the mighty Bologna.

Just watch us the first 15-20 minutes of that 2nd half and how Bologna was down on their knees. We should have killed them off right there but instead we had nothing dangorous at all. We had offence going through Ogbonna, Isla, Pirlo, Asamoah, Chiellini and Barza just passing the ball back and forth between each other until the try to find poor Gio or Llorente who were battling like 10 defenders with their backs to goal. It gets easy for Bologna because they can afford to just let our not-so-creative defenders attack them because they will never posses a threat. Can't blame those guys either because they are not paid to create offence and goals. Poor Chiellini is forced to be one of our most ball dominant players in our team at that point and that guy always looks like a headless chicken with the ball panicking the shit all the time.

Difference between 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 is that instead of Asamoah and Isla going at the defence we should have had Gio and Tevez or Vucinic going at defence from the flanks.

I have no problems with 3-5-2 if the game is even and the other team possess a threat but today we should have done something different.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

What the hell are ya'll two talking about? First of all, we can play 4-3-3 if we want. Just put one of Vucinic/Tevez/Osvaldo on one wing and Gio on the other and we have enough firepower to beat the mighty Bologna.

Just watch us the first 15-20 minutes of that 2nd half and how Bologna was down on their knees. We should have killed them off right there but instead we had nothing dangorous at all. We had offence going through Ogbonna, Isla, Pirlo, Asamoah, Chiellini and Barza just passing the ball back and forth between each other until the try to find poor Gio or Llorente who were battling like 10 defenders with their backs to goal. It gets easy for Bologna because they can afford to just let our not-so-creative defenders attack them because they will never posses a threat. Can't blame those guys either because they are not paid to create offence and goals. Poor Chiellini is forced to be one of our most ball dominant players in our team at that point and that guy always looks like a headless chicken with the ball panicking the shit all the time.

Difference between 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 is that instead of Asamoah and Isla going at the defence we should have had Gio and Tevez or Vucinic going at defence from the flanks.

I have no problems with 3-5-2 if the game is even and the other team possess a threat but today we should have done something different.

We can't, cause in Conte's mind only Pepe could be used on the righ side upfront

 

[Mister]

How can you put strikers on the wing ???? do they have pace ? you think osvaldo or vucinic track back to defend , even robben had to track back last year under hyecknes ? when you play wings they need to track back as your full back overlaps but in 3-5-2 if the other team is sitting back our full back ie isla and asa can attack all day cause we have 3 at the back . Its just not putting players in a 4-3-3 that you can even do with isla on the wing but the team needs to be functional and effective which we already are but just with less flair and creativity which i agree to.

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We can't, cause in Conte's mind only Pepe could be used on the righ side upfront

buddy pepe is a winger he was a workhorse he tracked back and defended which krasic and elia dint thus they dint get too many chances to play , try and understand wingers need to play as wingers ie defends also , you cant have gio who falls down with every touch tracking back and osvaldo ? vucinic with his workrate ? think its possible ?, only tevez is exceptional but he will be less effective in a wide formation .

 

[Suns]

How can you put strikers on the wing ???? do they have pace ? you think osvaldo or vucinic track back to defend , even robben had to track back last year under hyecknes ? when you play wings they need to track back as your full back overlaps but in 3-5-2 if the other team is sitting back our full back ie isla and asa can attack all day cause we have 3 at the back . Its just not putting players in a 4-3-3 that you can even do with isla on the wing but the team needs to be functional and effective which we already are but just with less flair and creativity which i agree to.

Only in Juve-land must a winger track back before even having anything to add offensively. I never hear Bayern Munchen fans go 'shit not Ribery and Robben they don't track back', Dortmund about Reus and the rest of the European top teams who use wingers who are there for offensive purposes and not to track back. Not one winger, two! And an offensive midfielder! Shivers! How do they do without 3 midfielders who track back and two wingers who track back?

 

[Mister]

Only in Juve-land must a winger track back before even having anything to add offensively. I never hear Bayern Munchen fans go '$#@! not Ribery and Robben they don't track back', Dortmund about Reus and the rest of the European top teams who use wingers who are there for offensive purposes and not to track back. Not one winger, two! And an offensive midfielder! Shivers! How do they do without 3 midfielders who track back and two wingers who track back?

sorry but read this after the cl final victory

Robben said Bayern's outstanding season had been partly due to Heynckes' emphasis on attacking players tracking back to help out teir defensive colleagues.

"We knew, after last season, what had to be done to improve our game - and that is what we did this season,'' he added.

"We defended, we stayed compact - especially the four players up front. I think we did our work. We ran back, and that makes it easy for the defence to play football.

 

[Suns]

sorry but read this

Robben said Bayern's outstanding season had been partly due to Heynckes' emphasis on attacking players tracking back to help out teir defensive colleagues.

"We knew, after last season, what had to be done to improve our game - and that is what we did this season,'' he added.

"We defended, we stayed compact - especially the four players up front. I think we did our work. We ran back, and that makes it easy for the defence to play football.

So why do you assume Giovinco, Tevez, Vucinic and Osvaldo won't do the same? If Robben can do it surely Conte could get Giovinco and whoever was placed on the other flank to do it as well.

 

[Ocelot]

How can you put strikers on the wing ???? do they have pace ? you think osvaldo or vucinic track back to defend , even robben had to track back last year under hyecknes ? when you play wings they need to track back as your full back overlaps but in 3-5-2 if the other team is sitting back our full back ie isla and asa can attack all day cause we have 3 at the back . Its just not putting players in a 4-3-3 that you can even do with isla on the wing but the team needs to be functional and effective which we already are but just with less flair and creativity which i agree to.

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buddy pepe is a winger he was a workhorse he tracked back and defended which krasic and elia dint thus they dint get too many chances to play , try and understand wingers need to play as wingers ie defends also , you cant have gio who falls down with every touch tracking back and osvaldo ? vucinic with his workrate ? think its possible ?, only tevez is exceptional but he will be less effective in a wide formation .

I like this guy.


With the players we have now, a 4-3-3 would clearly be inferior to the current 3-5-2. Reasons are pretty obvious and have been named plenty of times already.
However, there are opponents who require a different approach as they'd kill us on the wings if we faced them playing our usual style. We might still dominate the center of the pitch, but due to the overall superiority of their squad and players, we wouldn't be ale to force our style upon them. Prime examples for this are Bayern and Real, and after Conte got a lesson in that regard last year against Munich he learned form it and adapted against Madrid this season.

To those who constantly moan about Contes selection: The only two times this season we really underachieved result-wise were the two draws against Galatasaray and Kopenhagen. In both fixtures we either clearly created enough chance but couldn't finish them (not the fault of the formation) or two stupid individual mistakes at the back caused us harm (can hardly blame that on the formation either).

In the summer, with the limited funds that we have got (supposed Pogba isn't sold), a complete overhaul of our squad necessary to us being able to put together a competitive 4-3-3 is unrealtistic. One of my must-buy roles is however a player that allows us more versitality, in order to improve the quality of alternative approaches should the situation demand it (refer to the first paragraph for more information).

 

[Mister]

So why do you assume Giovinco, Tevez, Vucinic and Osvaldo won't do the same? If Robben can do it surely Conte could get Giovinco and whoever was placed on the other flank to do it as well.

The important thing here is that apart from gio but he is too weak to track back assuming he really falls down with every touch none of the other 3 are wingers , how can you think of osvaldo there he is not even 100% joined in jan ? and tevez again why have your best player on the wing when he can be in front of the goal ? does it make sense ? , vucinic plays at 50% most of the matches how in the world will he track back ? . Look im all with you for flair creative victories but currently we cant and thats a fact you need to look at it that way our team is not built for it maybe if they decide to change the formation the transfers will be made accordingly.

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I like this guy.


With the players we have now, a 4-3-3 would clearly be inferior to the current 3-5-2. Reasons are pretty obvious and have been named plenty of times already.
However, there are opponents who require a different approach as they'd kill us on the wings if we faced them playing our usual style. We might still dominate the center of the pitch, but due to the overall superiority of their squad and players, we wouldn't be ale to force our style upon them. Prime examples for this are Bayern and Real, and after Conte got a lesson in that regard last year against Munich he learned form it and adapted against Madrid this season.

To those who constantly moan about Contes selection: The only two times this season we really underachieved result-wise were the two draws against Galatasaray and Kopenhagen. In both fixtures we either clearly created enough chance but couldn't finish them (not the fault of the formation) or two stupid individual mistakes at the back caused us harm (can hardly blame that on the formation either).

In the summer, with the limited funds that we have got (supposed Pogba isn't sold), a complete overhaul of our squad necessary to us being able to put together a competitive 4-3-3 is unrealtistic. One of my must-buy roles is however a player that allows us more versitality, in order to improve the quality of alternative approaches should the situation demand it (refer to the first paragraph for more information).

Well said with the players we have currently 4-3-3 would be inferior to 3-5-2 is spot on .True with madrid he played a 4-3-2-1 with tevez + march and llorente so he did adapt because bayern and madrid play on the wings those are their strength , if you see bayern play specially against arsenal they had robben and ribery both on the same flank as gibbs , they can afford to do it because they play possesion if some other team did it they would be wide open on the other side so each team plays differently , and thats why ull hear coaches say formation are just numbers.

 

[JuveJay]

If Conte trusted those players to play in those positions he'd play them there. I trust his decisions, and our current squad clearly suits 3-5-2 ahead of others.

Like any formation, there is a downside to it, in this case when faced with a wall of defense. However, like any formation or approach, it can be made twice as easy by taking one of our earlier chances. The formation is not the sole issue, and even considering my first statement, our wingbacks aren't really good enough at delivering the ball in to make the formation optimal. It's better balanced defensively, which Conte obviously finds important. That's fair enough, our record is testament to it, however it's well known that we could use tactical variation for certain matches. This nitty-gritty part of the season just isn't really the time for it.

 

[Klovn]

Its very sad that we just got 90 points in 34 games with this approach. 352 Obviously failed.

Look at Napoli and their wingers and mangificent team of stars. They are the real deal. Much more points then us.

We did so well in Europe

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Klin, and his bandwagon, dont talk in civil ways, and they will not explain you anything


they thrive with their "omg" and " " responses.

 

[zizinho]

The important thing here is that apart from gio but he is too weak to track back assuming he really falls down with every touch none of the other 3 are wingers , how can you think of osvaldo there he is not even 100% joined in jan ? and tevez again why have your best player on the wing when he can be in front of the goal ? does it make sense ? , vucinic plays at 50% most of the matches how in the world will he track back ? . Look im all with you for flair creative victories but currently we cant and thats a fact you need to look at it that way our team is not built for it maybe if they decide to change the formation the transfers will be made accordingly.

this. with our current squad we cant place a 4-3-3 and keep the same quality as our current 3-5-2.

 

[Suns]

The important thing here is that apart from gio but he is too weak to track back assuming he really falls down with every touch none of the other 3 are wingers , how can you think of osvaldo there he is not even 100% joined in jan ? and tevez again why have your best player on the wing when he can be in front of the goal ? does it make sense ? , vucinic plays at 50% most of the matches how in the world will he track back ? . Look im all with you for flair creative victories but currently we cant and thats a fact you need to look at it that way our team is not built for it maybe if they decide to change the formation the transfers will be made accordingly.

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I'm talking about an in game adjustment. I'm not talking about playing 4-3-3 the rest of the way. At that time, 3-5-2 was showing its weaknesses and that switching to a wider game and attacking through a few more creative players could have done well. Now we won by a lot of luck and some individual brilliance by Pogba but before it we didn't really manage to capitalize on the massive pressure we had on Bologna.

This notion that you need a guys like Pepe to play wingers with annoys me. Sign guys who are attack minded and then ask of them defend and track back. Bayern didn't win because Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic and Muller were tracking back, they won because those guys are amazing offensively. I'm pretty sure Bayern wouldn't have won if they had bunch of Pepe's on the flanks. First priority is offence then comes defence.