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How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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So you'd rather lose in style than win ugly.
Zeman tactics! Maybe we should hire that ex-Romanista #$%$! :sergio:

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Winning is good i agree, Inter won with a clear game plan and a deadly counter attack under Mourinho. We are winning by riding our luck lately. Our play is horrible and any half decent team will beat us.

If we parked the bus i could not care less once we won like u say. How ever there are some very worrying signs from our play in recent months and our performances have dropped by a huge amount. It is clear there is something wrong with the tactics when we are playing like crap.

When was the last match against decent opposition whjere we clearly looked the better team? I think that was Roma earlier in the season. There is definitely something wrong with this team and i most certainly am not looking forward to Roma away this season.
I'd say in the away leg against Fiorentina in EL, we clearly looked the better team. Besides the opening 15 minutes perhaps. We were imposing our will on that game for about 75 minutes and were unlucky not to walk away 3 or 4-0 winners. The problem here is, sample size is small dependent on your idea of "decent" opposition. Fiorentina, Napoli and Roma are about it, since our elimination from CL. Oddly enough,our matches against Real in UCL were quite good as a hybrid between 4-3-3 and 3-5-2. Our home match against Gala, we were unlucky not to win 5-2. We dominated that game and should have won easily, if not for a couple completely idiotic defensive lapses and poor finishing by Tevez. But those were long ago.

Recently. We impose our will for no more than 45-50 minutes a match. We look supremely dominant when we do so. Roma, Inter, Fiorentina, Parma, Lyon. We either play a dominant opening period, or a dominant 30-40 stretch on either side of the half. We press high, we move quickly and effectively, we create very good chances, and we impose our will. Yet, for some reason, and here is where I agree with you, we lack a certain mentality, to carry this through a full match. This is partly coaching in my opinion, partly the energy expenditure required from certain positions in a 3-5-2 which make dominating an entire match with hard work and pressing hard to do in the formation, and a very small part to do with exhaustion from having such a cramped fixture list and being light on rotation due to injuries in February and March. I would suggest a change in formation would help with the exhaustion, and the dependency on WBs to run like the wind for 90 minutes. Aside from Lichtsteiner, and at times Asa, none of our WBs can keep up the high pace and intensity required for 90 minutes, and our formation suffers when they tire out. The lack of decent backup options at the position means Asa and Licht have been worn down over the season, as evidenced by Asa's comments about Juve physically suffering.

I think Conte has room to evolve and grow as a coach. Most coaches do, aside from a rare few in the stratosphere. Yet, he's done a good job turning us into a machine over the past few years, and I'm hoping he will learn from the mistakes of this season, and it will lead us to make a few astute purchases this summer and then to better squad rotation, and a more tactical approach to each different opponent. I have faith in the man. If anything, he deserves it for taking us from two 7th place finishes to 3 scudettos, a UCL QF in our first year back and potentially a EL final this year.
 

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napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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You are giving thumbs up to that nonsense? The point of football is to win. I'd rather see us win playing ugly football, than to lose playing a Zeman style. Style points are entirely irrelevant. Sure, it'd be great to win while playing fast, effective, attacking football, yet... teams like Chelsea and Inter won the UCL by parking the bus. So that makes 2 of the last 4 winners in Europe. So I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. It's about 50/50 in recent times whether the UCL is won by "ugly" football or "beautiful" football.

But sure. Let's force a square peg into a round hole, and try to play fast attacking football with this current side which is not built for it. And Asamoah and Tevez have been brilliant for us. However, I think, with 2 or 3 transfers this summer we could create some kind of hybrid between current style, and a something more "beautiful" but that is no guarantee of success. Regardless, you listed all sub-20 million transfers. There are about 10 teams forking out 30mil + for players semi-frequently. Until we get to that level, we're not going to be one of the most consistent European sides on the planet. We'll have bad years and good years. Last year was excellent for a return to Euro football. This year, if we win Europa is also quite good, not as good as we would have wished, but it shows at least a sideways step, not a regression.

Next year, I expect UCL quarters minimum. I'm sure we'll do it too. Even if we're still playing 3-5-2.
you must dumb if you think this uglyventus is doing the same thing as inter and chelsea did, we can't even properly playing counter football and did you see how our supposedly magnificent defence leaked such a goal lyon did few hours ago?
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Inter and Chelsea are completely different stories. Mourinho's Inter is better than our current Juve but this Juve is definitely better than Di Matteo's Chelsea.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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you must dumb if you think this uglyventus is doing the same thing as inter and chelsea did, we can't even properly playing counter football and did you see how our supposedly magnificent defence leaked such a goal lyon did few hours ago?
Of course I don't think we're parking the bus in that Chelsea fashion. If you want to see ugly football, that's what Chelsea won the UCL with. The entire squad playing behind the ball. They had some speed so somehow they occasionally scored on the counter. They also got supremely lucky. We're a much better side.

Inter was a defensive squad, with a much better counterattack, and needing less luck to win. They were a very good counter squad, a better squad than current Juventus certainly.

We're playing a sort of hybrid between possession and counter, as evidenced by the fact we generally hold 55+ percent possession. We impose our will, and possess the ball well for about 50% of matches and then revert to some strange kind of park-the-bus, cede possession, long ball counter style, that is entirely ineffective with how the squad is made up. It's a strange progression to watch us in matches go from one style to the next.
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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Point is, our tactics need a refresh. They need to be more pro-football. One gets the feeling that if we remain on the same track, we're going to fall off a cliff sooner or later.
 
Mar 4, 2007
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Can't you Conte critics just realize that we're not the finished article yet? It's 3 years since the Delneri shambles for crying out loud, and we've come a long way since then. But we also have some way to go still before we can realistically dream of winning the Champions League. But great things are happening, we are winning important titles and I'm sure we're building something great here at the club. Step out of your panic mode and enjoy the ride, ffs.

At least be content tonight, we're in our first european semi final in 11 years!
Every time we win a Match I be chillin.


I think we just need better squad depth/players.
Yes.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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It's likely that there are people on this forum who would prefer ManU's season to ours, because they made UCL quarters... Nevermind that 7th place standing in the Premier League... No no no. They made UCL quarters and apparently Europe is all that matters.

For me, any season with a scudetto is a success. Any season with scudetto and CL quarters or better (or Europa Finals/Win), is an overwhelming success. And Scudetto + CL finals is mind-blowing!
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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I was born in Turin, search it up on google if you don't believe me
Yet you still failed to get Juve tickets and had to watch the game near, not inside the stadium like normal people. :sergio:

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So you'd rather lose in style than win ugly.
Let's see if we win anything when we face true competition first please.
 

AOD4

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2004
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Conte now is changing his tune to the EL. Now that the team in semi's he really wants to win it. Ealier, he was in two minds but now this change is positive. For this season, lets just win whatever way we can. But maybe next season, with a good mercato we can see how Conte changes things especially for Europe.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Yeah... If you don't think about it, it makes sense really...
its all about winning. when we fail to win ill be the 1st to say its time for changes. and im not talking about winning one game against Napoli, Fiorentina or whoever. im talking about winning the whole thing. what was your expectation before the season? mine was winning the scudetto (done), finally winning the coppa (OK, we failed this one, but we use our bench in this one and when we get a bench strong enough to play with the strongest in Italy we will start winning it too), super coppa (done) and CL quartefinal. the CL is a different story that the others. you can allow yourself a slipaway once in a while (United, City, Chelsea, Milan, Bayern) and nothing can be done. it is as it is. but when we are out already then i expect to win the EL. so except for the coppa, we won the other 3 competitions and even are setting records in serie a.

so, all in all, we have a great season (if we win the EL) and im OK with it. the way we have done it is irrelevant ;)
 

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