Antonio Conte (124 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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How can u argue its the best when its the only one played?
Best given the squad available. The 4-3-3 is an offensive formation that needs wingers that not only can attack but also track back and defend. Lazy Vucinic and the midget can barely attack let alone have a high work rate AND defend.
Like Conte always says: Pepe, a mediocre player, is the only player that has the balance to somewhat attack and defend in the squad. Isla can do neither. Asa, like licht, can only defend.

The 4-3-3 worked in bringing us two goals tonight (and I wont blame it for the goal conceded) because our opposition parked the bus. It would be naive to think that every team we'll face will park the bus from the start and that we'll fail to break them down without a tactical switch.

The best strategy is to start with the regular 3-5-2 and if the opposition parks the bus and we fail to score a goal then we switch midgame to the 4-3-3.

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So 433 is suddenly an ultra offensive formation now ?
Lmao ive heard it all.
Ultra offensive only when one of the midfield 3 is Pirlo and the wingers that should be tracking back are vucinic and the midget.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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Honestly, this man is still talking about Pepe when talking about 4-3-3? How is this even possible? When teams are using ultra offensive players like Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Sanchez, Neymar etc etc as wingers he can't seem to dare to use Tevez and Giovinco as wingers from time to time?
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Honestly, this man is still talking about Pepe when talking about 4-3-3? How is this even possible? When teams are using ultra offensive players like Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Sanchez, Neymar etc etc as wingers he can't seem to dare to use Tevez and Giovinco as wingers from time to time?
:lol: True.
 
Jul 20, 2012
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Best given the squad available. The 4-3-3 is an offensive formation that needs wingers that not only can attack but also track back and defend. Lazy Vucinic and the midget can barely attack let alone have a high work rate AND defend.
Like Conte always says: Pepe, a mediocre player, is the only player that has the balance to somewhat attack and defend in the squad. Isla can do neither. Asa, like licht, can only defend.

The 4-3-3 worked in bringing us two goals tonight (and I wont blame it for the goal conceded) because our opposition parked the bus. It would be naive to think that every team we'll face will park the bus from the start and that we'll fail to break them down without a tactical switch.

The best strategy is to start with the regular 3-5-2 and if the opposition parks the bus and we fail to score a goal then we switch midgame to the 4-3-3.

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Ultra offensive only when one of the midfield 3 is Pirlo and the wingers that should be tracking back are vucinic and the midget.

No it is not. We dont have wingbacks we are playing with players that can defend there. WE dont necessarily have to play a 4-3-3 we can play a 4-3-1-2 whioch would suit our team better and also if you want to you could play padoin as a winger.

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Honestly, this man is still talking about Pepe when talking about 4-3-3? How is this even possible? When teams are using ultra offensive players like Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Sanchez, Neymar etc etc as wingers he can't seem to dare to use Tevez and Giovinco as wingers from time to time?
This @Hist
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Honestly, this man is still talking about Pepe when talking about 4-3-3? How is this even possible? When teams are using ultra offensive players like Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Sanchez, Neymar etc etc as wingers he can't seem to dare to use Tevez and Giovinco as wingers from time to time?
He's become obsessed with not conceding.
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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And let's not forget that Tevez work rate is probably one of the best in Europe.

Bench Pirlo when using 4-3-3 if you're worried about defence, use Marchisio or Asamoah in the middle and you still have 7 players willing to defend. That leaves 3 offensive players which is 1 more than the 3-5-2 offers. And believe me, we need at least one more offensive player contributing.
 
Jul 20, 2012
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And let's not forget that Tevez work rate is probably one of the best in Europe.

Bench Pirlo when using 4-3-3 if you're worried about defence, use Marchisio or Asamoah in the middle and you still have 7 players willing to defend. That leaves 3 offensive players which is 1 more than the 3-5-2 offers. And believe me, we need at least one more offensive player contributing.
Agreed

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we don't have wingers for a 4-3-3 but we have wingbacks for a 3-5-2? and against weaker opponents...
Yes how do people say our squad has players that fit the 3-5-2
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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And let's not forget that Tevez work rate is probably one of the best in Europe.

Bench Pirlo when using 4-3-3 if you're worried about defence, use Marchisio or Asamoah in the middle and you still have 7 players willing to defend. That leaves 3 offensive players which is 1 more than the 3-5-2 offers. And believe me, we need at least one more offensive player contributing.
Tevez would be wasted there really, which I assume is the thinking for both coach and player (I know he likes playing CF). He could balance it out, much like Ribery or Pedro do for their teams, but I'd rather him CF with Pepe-Vucinic wide.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,620
Honestly, this man is still talking about Pepe when talking about 4-3-3? How is this even possible? When teams are using ultra offensive players like Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Sanchez, Neymar etc etc as wingers he can't seem to dare to use Tevez and Giovinco as wingers from time to time?
Good point if it weren't for one little nugget that you missed. Robbery, Neymar and the likes pin defenders back all game because of the havoc they wreak upfront. By being so good at attack they force teams to play through the middle or risk having a miss-pass close to goal. Even a peak-level roberto carlos will stay back if CR7 is playing against him on the wing.
If we had that type of players that can keep the ball in the opponent's end of the pitch for prolonged periods and consistently threaten the opposition's defense then it would be great to use the 4-3-3 as the primary formation.

But as things stand, if you rely on the likes of Isla, giovinco, Asamoah and Licht as attacking wingers, they'll be neutralized like any other mid-table team's players get neutralized most of the time and opponents wont be forced to play through the middle or park the bus. A 4-3-3 with our current squad would be almost a copy of the 3-5-2 only Asa and licht will have their offensive weaknesses exposed and their defensive qualities will be under-utilized.
 
Jul 20, 2012
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Good point if it weren't for one little nugget that you missed. Robbery, Neymar and the likes pin defenders back all game because of the havoc they wreak upfront. By being so good at attack they force teams to play through the middle or risk having a miss-pass close to goal. Even a peak-level roberto carlos will stay back if CR7 is playing against him on the wing.
If we had that type of players that can keep the ball in the opponent's end of the pitch for prolonged periods and consistently threaten the opposition's defense then it would be great to use the 4-3-3 as the primary formation.

But as things stand, if you rely on the likes of Isla, giovinco, Asamoah and Licht as attacking wingers, they'll be neutralized like any other mid-table team's players get neutralized most of the time and opponents wont be forced to play through the middle or park the bus.
None of those players are wingers let alone wingbacks
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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So, usually in football lately teams usually play 4-2-3-1 which means 4 offensive players (2 wingers, 1 trequartista and 1 striker).

In our version of the 3-5-2, we use only 2 offensively skilled players in Tevez + whatever striker Conte decides to use.

Switching to 4-3-3 would give us 1 more offensive player, we'd still have 7 players willing to do the work on defence. We're not even asking Conte to use the usual 4-3-3 where you use a trequartista/offensive midfielder as the 3rd midfielder. He can use a defensive work horse in Asamoah there if he wants to, no issues.

But Conte's version of 4-3-3 is not about using creative wingers but really a work horse like Pepe on both sides who is known for his defence and not his offence. That would basically mean taking out a creative player like Vucinic and replacing him with a work horse like Pepe. Basically, Conte's version of 4-3-3 with Pepe offers even less offence than the 3-5-2 we're using today.
 

Ledje

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2006
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His post game interview is kinda weird. He said that he cant play 4-3-3 because we don't have wingers that can dribble their opponent "like Pepe". And more specifically our right wing is the problem. No Pepe, no party...:boh: He also said "it's not like I can put Lichtsteiner/Isla as RW" and "We have 5 center attackers, only Pepe is a true winger." (Giovinco?! :sergio: )

I don't know, he really seems confused and disappointed that he didn't get a right winger. At this point I think our interest in Nani was very serious. Watch us getting Menez in the winter mercato :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=641026082604580

Check it out, really really interesting interview.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Yes but our wing backs and dribble past their opponents
We dont have wingbacks that can dribble past their opponents.

Licht is good at running behind the defence, and asamoah at the defence, but none are good at running trough it.


Asa usuallybursts past and crosses or cuts back. fine but thats not dribbeling. Dribbeling would be actually taking on your man 1v1 and get past and shoot
 

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