Antonio Conte (236 Viewers)

[MikeM]

Not true, he can increase the pace of the game with one pass only. That's even one of the abilities that make him so special.

One pass increases the game speed for about 5 seconds. Do you think Pirlo wants to increase the pace of the game to match that of the Celtic and Bayern matches?

He was getting turned around silly.

I still love the player but we have to recognize his limitations.

You dictate tempo and possession nowadays as a team, not with one player. Yes of course, it's still possible for a single player to do it from time to time but not consistently against top level European teams. If you put Pogba, Vidal and another great midfielder in our midfield does anyone think we will have a hard time dictating how we want the game to go?

 

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[Salvatore]

If we are replacing Pirlo soon I want us to go for someone who is proven to be able to dictate the game from the midfield and keep possession ticking as well as play incisive through balls. Alonso would be a no-brainer since he is very much proven and a guaranteed hit. Modric would be the unachievable dream and is volatile so we can use him in a number of positions. Maybe madrid can pull another Ozil next summer who knows.

If Madrid pull another Ozil, Juve won't be the ones swooping in to spend €40m+ on that player.

I think our problem is that the team is not ready for life without Pirlo yet, more so than we lack creative players. He's a huge figure in our team.

Damn right, because this team doesn't know anything apart from playing around Pirlo.

Pogba has displayed a decent range of passing since arriving but he lacks too much to slot into that role, I think it would be long term to consider him a replacement. Might not be worth the hassle and letting him play as a box to box monster.

 

[Hist]

If Madrid pull another Ozil, Juve won't be the ones swooping in to spend €40m+ on that player.

Sad but true. Maybe by next year we will have a bigger wallet than what we have now and more appeal than most of the others clubs.
Being poor sucks! I hate to see the likes of Ozil, modric, suarez move around clubs and we dont get any of them.

 

[JCK]

We need to move away from 352. While other European clubs adopted 433 or 4231 and have been fairly successful, Italian clubs practically regressed and went 30 years into past. This new trend of 352 for which Juventus are mostly responsible is taking over Serie A. More than 50% of teams are using it. WBs who need to contribute in both phases of the game and regista responsible for dictating tempo are something which will always face insurmountable obstacles in Europe.

Actually it was Mazzari who was responsible for that, we only followed trend.

 

[Nzoric]

Actually it was Mazzari who was responsible for that, we only followed trend.

 

[Juventino★★★]

Del Piero, Nedved, Trezeguet, Davids era...

04/11/01 Hellas Verona 2 - 2 Juventus

14/10/01 Juventus 3 - 3 Torino

29/09/01 Juventus 0 - 2 Roma

22/09/01 Lecce 0 - 0 Juventus

Juventus 2 - 1 Bologna

 

[Vlad]

Del Piero, Nedved, Trezeguet, Davids era...

04/11/01 Hellas Verona 2 - 2 Juventus

14/10/01 Juventus 3 - 3 Torino

29/09/01 Juventus 0 - 2 Roma

22/09/01 Lecce 0 - 0 Juventus

Juventus 2 - 1 Bologna

I remember those 4 games and back then we were at the beginning of new Lippi's cycle. He pretty much messed up tactics in the first 10-12 games hence those results and usual adaptation of players like Nedved, Thuram... When Lippi finally somewhere around Christmas changed tactics to 4312 , fielding Nedved behind Alex and David, we managed to achieve 10 wins in a row and played beautiful football. That Lippi's Juve were superior and more complete than today's one and Lippi was a better coach with all due respect to Conte.

 

[Juventino★★★]

I remember those 4 games and back then we were at the beginning of new Lippi's cycle. He pretty much messed up tactics in the first 10-12 games hence those results and usual adaptation of players like Nedved, Thuram... When Lippi finally somewhere around Christmas changed tactics to 4312 , fielding Nedved behind Alex and David, we managed to achieve 10 wins in a row and played beautiful football. That Lippi's Juve were superior and more complete than today's one and Lippi was a better coach with all due respect to Conte.

we still had some struggles though against sides like Lecce and co, i remember Tudor saving our ass countless times from set pieces headers

 

[Hust]

Actually it was Mazzari who was responsible for that, we only followed trend.

It was that fucking 3-3 draw that year.

 

[Vlad]

It was that fucking 3-3 draw that year.

I guess now you would prefer that we lost that one, wouldn't you?

 

[Ventus]

I have to admit Conte's rotation policy with the strikers is frustrating, it appears he's rotating just for the sake of rotating. Last game if he didn't want to start of with llorente to partner tevez, he should have put Quag since he's been on form somewhat.

It's little wonder why we struggle upfront when we don't give our strikers to adjust to one another

 

[Red]

I don't think he's rotating for the sake of it.

Aside from fitness, I think Conte has a pretty clear idea in his head of what sort of forward he wants to play in each game to try and open up the opposition.

I'd have gone for Llorente and crosses against a packed Torino defence, but Conte went completely the other way to get Giovinco making darting runs in the spaces between the centre halves to try and get behind the defence, which was a reasonable tactic and wasn't entirely unsuccessful.

Certainly wouldn't have seen the sense in playing Quagliarella or Vucinic (as a partner for Tevez) in that particular game.

 

[Hust]

I guess now you would prefer that we lost that one, wouldn't you?

positive draws vs 433

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Would you agree to this though? We win the CHL but lose Conte.

I'd sign for that in an instant.

I bet Manchester United fans said the same thing after the first 2 season of SAF. Thank God for them and for the world of football that a thing like this didnt happen and SAF stayed.

 

[Hust]

Ffs go to bed Filip

 

[Nzoric]

I bet Manchester United fans said the same thing after the first 2 season of SAF. Thank God for them and for the world of football that a thing like this didnt happen and SAF stayed.

The scenario is that Real Madrid will snap him up as soon as he wins the CHL. Argument invalid because of 4-3-3.

 

[Hist]

We need to move away from 352. While other European clubs adopted 433 or 4231 and have been fairly successful, Italian clubs practically regressed and went 30 years into past. This new trend of 352 for which Juventus are mostly responsible is taking over Serie A. More than 50% of teams are using it. WBs who need to contribute in both phases of the game and regista responsible for dictating tempo are something which will always face insurmountable obstacles in Europe.

So had we played with a 4-3-3 we would have defeated Bayern? Giovinco would have raped that Bayern defense like we all know he can.
Juve has not been successful in the past couple of years. I have surely heard it all.

 

[napoleonic]

It is one thing to have players that may be startable on the wings and its another thing to have players made for playing on the wings.

you'll be shifting two centerbacks (one of which is world class) to fill a full back role. Asamoah (a make-shift WB already) would be utilized as a left winger when his defensive qualities are his best attributes. Isla would be completely without a position while he is already struggling to fulfill his natural WB role. You'd have bonucci's weaknesses exposed by removing him from his best position (has has demonstrated plenty of times that he works best in the middle of a three man defense). I dunno where Pirlo fits in this equation.
You'd have Tevez playing outside of his best position. You'd have mediocre players like giovinco as starters.

The players that wouldnt have to be played outside of their best position would be Licht, Barzagli, Vidal, Marchisio, Pogba, Giovinco (who'll have to be a starter) and Llorente (who'll start too). Chiello, Pirlo, Asamoah, Tevez, Vucinic would be underutilized.

In the 3-5-2 our best players are starting in their best positions. Second best players are substitutes that play out of their position like Giovinco and... i can't think of anyone else.

dumb argument, as your statement defeat your own purpose, because we've played a CM at LWB, an RB at RWB too; thing is, there are no wing backs that can perfectly suited to modern/contemporary football, as there is no single man on earth that can attack and defend both well enough at 'world class' level, even roberto carlos / cafu couldn't cover their entire side without other side players helping them, especially against 2 direct counterparts; my idea, the idea is to add more side players so that they can do the job together, thus eliminating their weakness and let them to do more specific task on defense or offense.

bonucci isn't capable outside being a sweeper? then bench him!

tevez has clearly stated that he want to play in the center, and AMC isn't that different than SS when tevez is the one performing it, heck I'd say tevez defended way more than I've ever seen zidane did at juve, tevez is good enough as amc.

 

[Hist]

How about we play buffon as our main striker? After all if Licht can make the change from RB to RWB then Buffon can play as a striker.

On a more serious note mr.dumb argument, our wing backs support our strikers, midfield and defense and them being part of our midfield keeps them closest to the midfield players thereby helping the team dominate possession and helping defenders in the defensive phases of the game and the strikers in the offensive phases. The 4-3-3 is much less defensive especially when your suggested wingers are the lazy vucinic and the midget who can't defend or trackback to save their lives. Also Pirlo would be much less protected and is not a defensive player in any sense.

4-3-3 is far from suited to our players and the 3-5-2 has been massively successful so far. In its first season we won the scudetto and in its first test in Europe we topped a very difficult group and lost to the eventual winners who crushed all their opponents in a manner much more humiliating than our defeat (superior teams too). The team is used to the 3-5-2 and have memorized the tactics for it over the last 2 years. You want to throw all that success and all that growth away so that giovinco starts and may turn out to be less crappy player than we currently think he is?

In your dream 4-3-3 world, what would have been Juve's achievements over the past two seasons? 2 scudettos and a QF exit to bayern or perhaps two consecutive TREBLES!!!

 

[Nenz]

The problem with relying on Pirlo is that he can't actually speed up the game. He can control the tempo but only from slow to slower.

He gets run through in Champions League. Teams don't wait for him to control the tempo, they just run at him all game, foul him, take the ball, whatever. It's a different game in CL.

You know Pirlo has won the damn thing, right?

By the way Pirlo is a fantastic and fairly unique player but he's not completely irreplaceable. There are other great passing midfielders on the market.