Antonio Conte (100 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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Ferguson is regarded as one of the best, or even the best managers ever. Yet he does one third the job Conte and other coaches do. He's a great man manager, but he does not set up his team's tactics, nor is he involved in the team's day-to-day activities and training.

Conte does all of that, and he does them splendidly.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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part of being a great manager of anything is having and managing staff to do top work for you.


you cant use that against ferguson. great leaders know they cant accomplish everything themselves.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Ferguson is regarded as one of the best, or even the best managers ever. Yet he does one third the job Conte and other coaches do. He's a great man manager, but he does not set up his team's tactics, nor is he involved in the team's day-to-day activities and training.

Conte does all of that, and he does them splendidly.
Who says he didn't choose how to set the team up?

I think was still fairly involved in training, even if he wasn't necessarily doing it all every day more recently.

And keep in mind that Ferguson was also in charge of Man Utd's transfer activity, which isn't an area Conte has much responsibilty in.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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Who says he didn't choose how to set the team up?

I think was still fairly involved in training, even if he wasn't necessarily doing it all every day more recently.

And keep in mind that Ferguson was also in charge of Man Utd's transfer activity, which isn't an area Conte has much responsibilty in.
Isn't it well known that he has his assistants prepare the team's tactics? Don't know who the latest was, but one I remember was Quieroz - who was seen a big loss when he left.

I heard it from a well-informed United fan that he wasn't usually present on the training grounds, and left the job to his coaches. He was supposedly in his office (at the location) all day.

Like baggio says, it appears that this season Conte has more transfer responsibility.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Who says he didn't choose how to set the team up?

I think was still fairly involved in training, even if he wasn't necessarily doing it all every day more recently.

And keep in mind that Ferguson was also in charge of Man Utd's transfer activity, which isn't an area Conte has much responsibilty in.
I don't believe Marotta buys players which Conte doesn't approve of. There are limitations to some of his wishes mostly financial nature but Conte has a final say if the transfer is possible.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Isn't it well known that he has his assistants prepare the team's tactics? Don't know who the latest was, but one I remember was Quieroz - who was seen a big loss when he left.
No, it's not something I've heard.

I heard it from a well-informed United fan that he wasn't usually present on the training grounds, and left the job to his coaches. He was supposedly in his office (at the location) all day.
As I say, I don't think he was necessarily there all the time, but I do think he was still involved.

Like baggio says, it appears that this season Conte has more transfer responsibility.
More than he used to and more than most coaches in Italy.

Still nothing like as much as a manager in Britain typically has.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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No, it's not something I've heard.



As I say, I don't think he was necessarily there all the time, but I do think he was still involved.



More than he used to and more than most coaches in Italy.

Still nothing like as much as a manager in Britain typically has.
This article shows how his teams' styles have depended on who his assistants were - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nited-have-regressed-tactically-since-queiroz

His (Quieroz) influence at Old Trafford has grown steadily since he first arrived in 2002 as Ferguson has increasingly taken a back seat over tactics and the day-to-day running of team affairs. - http://soccerlens.com/the-carlos-queiroz-question/6854/

In nearly 12 years at United Meulensteen has worked at all levels from the youth to the first team. Alongside Phelan he ran the training day to day while Sir Alex looked on and made the big decisions. - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ne-Meulensteen-at-Man-Utd-by-Neil-Custis.html


What do managers in England do differently from deciding who comes and goes?


 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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What do managers in England do differently from deciding who comes and goes?
They are in sole charge of it.

No case of having an influence or suggesting targets to someone else. Some managers even negotiate the transfer themselves, but the Man Chief Executive has been doing that for quite a while now, I think.

Being in charge of transfers also means that they will be in ultimate control of the club's scouting system and having to spend time trawling through scouting reports and all that sort of stuff.

Now, most British teams are gradually moving away from that to system more like what is in place in Italy, but I believe the system at Man Utd will have been pretty close to a classic British one for the most part.

Then again, it might not have been.

We don't really know any of what was going in within the club and are only taking educated guesses.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I can well believe Ferguson wasn't anything like as involved in training as he used to be.

I ain't buying the idea that Ferguson wasn't very much in charge of the team's playing style. That's not to say others didn't have a say or an influence, but I can't believe Ferguson wasn't still the main man in that regard.
 

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