Antonio Conte (99 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Ken

The Dutch Touch
Aug 17, 2007
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If players look deadbeat but your tactics are correct, the most logical solution would be like for like changes so that the team can keep playing according to the game plan. Those changes Conte made don't seem like bad ideas, but they were. As we've began to understand this season, a good offense is sometimes the best defense. We sat back and they began attacking is there any wonder there a shift in momentum occurred?
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We should've kept playing the game the way we did, keep playing football. Fuck building a wall to try and keep the mighty Chievo at bay, which then screwed us over in midfield. I was furious when he made that substitution and losing 2 points ruined my week. We should just stick to the 433 for a while, this side needs some consistency.
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
Were they bad ideas because they were genuine bad ideas, or because of the outcome, ie Chievo scoring shortly afterwards? I mean, we could have had this discussion many more times this season with plays that we just about got away with because of top class defending, goalkeeping or a bit of luck.

Is a sub only good if it reaches the desired intention; defending a goal, scoring a goal etc?
Uh, both? Even if Chievo hadn't scored but kept attacking and creating opportunities the decision is still obviously bad (there are no knee jerk reactions coming from me. If I see bad football or bad coaching I'll call it despite a positive result). Looking at it simply, football teams want to create as many chances as possible and concede the least possible chances. Those substitutions failed in achieving that bottom line goal and ultimately led to the draw.

I mean you just said it seemed a plausible option to makes those subs just as Chievo had bolstered their attack? You don't sit back in that situation, you take advantage, try to expose their lack of cover in defense and try to score again. Sitting back only increases the likelihood of conceding an equaliser.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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The change to 3-5-2 didn't make sense to me (aside from it getting an extra man into midfield), but Juve were likely to concede anyway.

They needed a really good decision from Conte to change the way the game was going.

Instead he went to 3-5-2 which was just an indifferent call, rather than one that was actively harmful.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,113
The change to 3-5-2 didn't make sense to me (aside from it getting an extra man into midfield), but Juve were likely to concede anyway.

They needed a really good decision from Conte to change the way the game was going.

Instead he went to 3-5-2 which was just an indifferent call, rather than one that was actively harmful.
Chievo's equaliser was extremely predictable and you knew it was going to happen when we only went into HT at 1-0. Inevitable really, they were unlucky not to get a goal in the first half anyway IMO. Juve's players looked dead tired, Conte made wrong team selection and substitutes and we barely tested their goalkeeper in the second half.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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Antonio Conte has been called many things by Juventus fans since his arrival as a wide-eyed young player back in 1992. Dedicated. Hard-working. Inspirational. Leader. Captain. One thing he has never been, either as coach or as lynchpin midfielder of those dominant Marcello Lippi sides of the mid-to-late-'90s, is a cause of concern.


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Juventus were held to a 1-1 draw at home to Chievo this weekend


Yet now, after seeing his team stutter against Chievo to what was their 12th draw of the campaign, that is precisely what he is in danger of becoming. Such is the reverence with which he is regarded by those who hold the club dear, the doubts are - for now at least - only being voiced quietly, whispered carefully in hushed tones even among the more vocal of the club's tifosi, not wishing to upset nor undermine their man.

Even Sky Italia analyst and former Juve player Massimo Mauro, normally quick to chastise his former club, held back on Sunday night but did finally question the coach's decisions, something he has been previously loathed to do. "I'm not convinced by the management of the team either and I think Antonio Conte has probably made some mistakes in his team selection," he said. "It's embarrassing that Alessandro Matri isn't being given any sort of service. I had never seen a Juventus side in such difficulty."

From the outside, it seems a petty criticism given that Juve are the only unbeaten side anywhere in Europe's top five leagues. After two dire seventh-place finishes in the seasons preceding his return, the Bianconeri are still in the midst of their first genuine title challenge in years, sitting just three points behind leaders Milan but having played one game fewer than last season's Champions.

They are also in the semi-finals of the Coppa Italia, holding a 2-1 advantage over their Scudetto rivals Milan as they await the second leg - in which they will be at home - later this month. With league wins over the Rossoneri and their city cousins Inter as well as Lazio, Udinese and Roma, Juventus seem to be in rude health and much improved from their post-Calciopoli woes.

However, upon closer inspection, the problems quickly become apparent and never more so than when analysing those draws. Despite enjoying an average of over 60% possession and creating in excess of 18 shots per game - both league highs - Juve have scored just 38 goals in their 25 games thus far, a total only good enough to rank as the sixth best attack in Serie A. Those figures look even worse when considering that, in the 12 games that have ended in a stalemate, Juve have found the net just ten times, a poor return from a team who have often looked capable of becoming the peninsula's most dominant side.

Though difficult to quantify, the quality of those chances have been far below the standard demanded from a team with such high expectations. Many have been from long range and wide angles as, with the exception of Matri, the attacking players have been only too happy to accept the first opportunity presented to them rather than press home their advantage by beating a defender or making an extra pass. That eagerness to shoot has seen just 6.4 of those attempts find the target, a huge drop off that the coach should not be seeming to tolerate the way he has.


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Antonio Conte has long enjoyed hero status at Juventus


The continued exclusion of both Milos Krasic and Eljero Elia - two players who possess the qualities so sorely absent in the regular starting line-up - has almost become a side issue in recent weeks as Conte has all but abandoned the 4-3-3 formation that facilitated Juve's bright start to the season. Instead he has persevered with a 3-5-2 system in which wingers of their ilk would have no natural role to play in any case.

That same tactical set-up - while being ideal against such pacey counter-attacking sides as Napoli and Roma - also appears to have nullified the impact of Stephan Lichtsteiner, whose relentless energy and tireless, selfless running were so useful but who is now struggleing after being asked to play as a wing-back rather than an orthodox right-back. In addition to the almost constant but incomprehensible selection of Mirko Vucinic - easily the side's most profligate, not to mention frustrating, player - this formation has also seen extended the playing time given to Marcelo Estigarribia, a man far whose ability should see him play only a minor role in a squad such as this.

Clearly things are far from perfect, but the turn-around inspired by Conte since his arrival from Siena last May cannot be understated. The defence is massively improved - comfortably Serie A's best this season - and, unlike his predecessor Luigi Del Neri, the coach knows his iconic status with the club's fanbase gives him the time he needs to find solutions to these problems, as he told La Repubblica recently. "I think the fans appreciate my ways both on and off the field," he said. "With me they have always been fantastic. In the hardest times they keep me close, showing me warmth, friendliness and belief."

He will need that warmth now more than ever as he looks to rally his side for a final push towards the title everyone connected with the club so deeply craves.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/featur...tonio-conte's-juventus-draw-attention?cc=4716

writer is a douche, but that's a really good article.
 

Fake Melo

Ghost Division
Sep 3, 2010
37,077
Conte: "The lads have given their all up until now. All I ask of them is to continue doing so."

"We're enjoying an extraordinary championship season. I don't see any reason to be down"

"Important players will be missing. It's a further opportunity for development as far as we're concerned "

"I'm perfectly calm, I know that whoever takes to the field will play an excellent game."

"Vucinic is the most talented player in the squad. I'm certain he'll be determining for us"

"The players are the only ones who make the difference on the pitch. My role is to get them in the condition to do well."

"Elia has developed greatly. He's one of the aces up my sleeve." (OWNED)

"I wasn't a fan of the booing at Juventus Stadium. I understand the disappointment, but I demand maxiumum support for the next games."
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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if he demands maximum support we fuckin demand maximum aims... no more "we're performing miracles" bullshit pleez.
We were not performing miracles in the first place...
We were simply overachieving. Now if Conte wins us the scudetto, then it'd be a miracle :D
 

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