I'm not saying we should let it pass completely, but we should go about it through different channels than whining about it to the newspapers. There isn't any data suggesting that actually helps.
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I don't think these errors have really effected us as many make it out. It would be one thing if this was a weekly occurance, but I don't really think it is. He could just have easily given Gio a PK but he didn't, nor did he to Pirlo. It was pretty fair to be honest. Considering how many chances we had to put the game away yesterday, it really just sounds like excuses to me.
Exactly. It's one thing to complain like a sour puss to a bunch of journallists, its another thing to lodge a complaint to the proper authorities. We just look like cry babies. I hate it.
Exactly. It's one thing to complain like a sour puss to a bunch of journallists, its another thing to lodge a complaint to the proper authorities. We just look like cry babies. I hate it.
Exactly.
How many PKs have been given AGAINST us their year too? People should look at that before agreeing to all of this.
We have a FANTASTIC defensive record, and that says a lot. It would be a lot worse in situations, like you just mentioned against Udinese, were refs could have very easily given the other team a PK.
Hell, the ref could have allowed the Hamsik PK to stand and we could have had our first loss. People always have to find a reason to make excuses, we should have won yesterday by a goal from the play of game, we didn't need a PK to bring 3 points.
How many PKs have been given AGAINST us their year too? People should look at that before agreeing to all of this.
We have a FANTASTIC defensive record, and that says a lot. It would be a lot worse in situations, like you just mentioned against Udinese, were refs could have very easily given the other team a PK.
Hell, the ref could have allowed the Hamsik PK to stand and we could have had our first loss. People always have to find a reason to make excuses, we should have won yesterday by a goal from the play of game, we didn't need a PK to bring 3 points.
Yeah... agree with that ! Its like a stereotipe... that the court descision is a synonym of truth.
And if the court said that Juve had been played an unfair game, people percieve it as a true story.
So it seems to look quite paradoxica and rediculous when Juve exclaim about unfairness.
So the theme of refs has not to be mentioned at all !!!
Matches has to be won on the pitch, not on newspapers pages !
And if the court said that Juve had been played an unfair game, people percieve it as a true story.
So it seems to look quite paradoxica and rediculous when Juve exclaim about unfairness.
So the theme of refs has not to be mentioned at all !!!
Matches has to be won on the pitch, not on newspapers pages !
Hust: In the Farsopoli thread you think it's good we have Agnelli who demands equal treatment and speaks out. Now, we have a coach and staff, that finally speaks out about the refs and you complain?
This is also and indirect attack on the calls favouring Milan. If the leaugue continues this way, we end up losing a potential Scudetto because of the calls.
About the game. Another frustrating game, where we create big chances and miss the win, because of the lack of quality up front. Positive thing is, we're still creating pretty big chances.
But I agree on the formation. Licht and Esti should not be our attacking wingers against the small teams (eventhough some people still call's for two strikers against small teams and feared Parma before the game, Jack). In my oppinion, we should definitely play a 4-3-3 with Elia in a game like this or adjust it and play Qtube or Del Piero.
Pirlo diving
. That was the most clear pk of the game. Yeah, he fell down in a funny way, but he was kicked in the back and it wasn't just some "slight contact".
This is also and indirect attack on the calls favouring Milan. If the leaugue continues this way, we end up losing a potential Scudetto because of the calls.
About the game. Another frustrating game, where we create big chances and miss the win, because of the lack of quality up front. Positive thing is, we're still creating pretty big chances.
But I agree on the formation. Licht and Esti should not be our attacking wingers against the small teams (eventhough some people still call's for two strikers against small teams and feared Parma before the game, Jack). In my oppinion, we should definitely play a 4-3-3 with Elia in a game like this or adjust it and play Qtube or Del Piero.
Pirlo diving
. That was the most clear pk of the game. Yeah, he fell down in a funny way, but he was kicked in the back and it wasn't just some "slight contact".
I know you weren't saying that, but it's one thing to publically go out against the (documented) injustice that was Calciopoli, and go out complaining about this stuff.
Also, I agree that we should've had at least one penalty yesterday. I just think we should protest through different channels.
And I also respect the opinions of those who think we should complain to the media, but to me, I'm not (at all) convinced that it will help in any way. And I really think it makes us look bad.
Also, I agree that we should've had at least one penalty yesterday. I just think we should protest through different channels.
And I also respect the opinions of those who think we should complain to the media, but to me, I'm not (at all) convinced that it will help in any way. And I really think it makes us look bad.
I was just pointing out how he want's the management to speak out concerning Calciopoli, but when we're not being giving some well deserved penalties now, we should just be quiet and play better. What annoys me the most is, that the penalties to Milan and the ones we don't get is in times of the game where we, and Milan, struggle and it basically determine the game.
Hust: In the Farsopoli thread you think it's good we have Agnelli who demands equal treatment and speaks out. Now, we have a coach and staff, that finally speaks out about the refs and you complain?
This is also and indirect attack on the calls favouring Milan. If the leaugue continues this way, we end up losing a potential Scudetto because of the calls.
About the game. Another frustrating game, where we create big chances and miss the win, because of the lack of quality up front. Positive thing is, we're still creating pretty big chances.
But I agree on the formation. Licht and Esti should not be our attacking wingers against the small teams (eventhough some people still call's for two strikers against small teams and feared Parma before the game, Jack). In my oppinion, we should definitely play a 4-3-3 with Elia in a game like this or adjust it and play Qtube or Del Piero.
Pirlo diving. That was the most clear pk of the game. Yeah, he fell down in a funny way, but he was kicked in the back and it wasn't just some "slight contact".
This is also and indirect attack on the calls favouring Milan. If the leaugue continues this way, we end up losing a potential Scudetto because of the calls.
About the game. Another frustrating game, where we create big chances and miss the win, because of the lack of quality up front. Positive thing is, we're still creating pretty big chances.
But I agree on the formation. Licht and Esti should not be our attacking wingers against the small teams (eventhough some people still call's for two strikers against small teams and feared Parma before the game, Jack). In my oppinion, we should definitely play a 4-3-3 with Elia in a game like this or adjust it and play Qtube or Del Piero.
Pirlo diving
. That was the most clear pk of the game. Yeah, he fell down in a funny way, but he was kicked in the back and it wasn't just some "slight contact".
http://www.juventus.com/wps/portal/.../dl4/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?pragma=no-cache
Boom.
"The club hopes that equal treatment they are pursuing in multiple bodies, is also always applied regularly to the field of play."
Boom.
"The club hopes that equal treatment they are pursuing in multiple bodies, is also always applied regularly to the field of play."
Penalties awarded post-Calciopoli:
Milan 52 (40 converted)
Inter 38 (33)
Juventus 26 (25)
Penalties against:
Milan 18
Juventus 25
Totally agree that in games like this we shouldn't need pks to win and that there is the risk that we look like we are whingeing now, but still...looking at the figures since 2006, I think Conte has a fair point and that he was going to explode sooner or later.
Milan 52 (40 converted)
Inter 38 (33)
Juventus 26 (25)
Penalties against:
Milan 18
Juventus 25
Totally agree that in games like this we shouldn't need pks to win and that there is the risk that we look like we are whingeing now, but still...looking at the figures since 2006, I think Conte has a fair point and that he was going to explode sooner or later.
And as expected:
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Thursday February 16 2012Ranieri: Conte is wrong
By Football Italia staff
Claudio Ranieri does not follow Antonio Conte’s assertion that only Juventus are suffering at the hands of referees this season.
After having two penalty appeals denied against Parma on Wednesday night, Conte delivered a post-match complaint to the Press that his Bianconeri are victims of referees unwilling to award them such decisions.
In his own news conference the next day that was otherwise for looking ahead to Inter’s Friday meeting with Bologna, Ranieri took time to assess Conte’s claim.
“The referees are afraid to award penalties to them?” he began. “Then with Inter they are terrified.
“With us too they have been wrong. I do not agree with Conte.
“I lost to Novara, and have been quiet with no excuses, the important thing is that the referee designator is not influenced by those who raise their voice.”
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Exactly what I didn't want to happen is happening. People are going to start rallying against us in favor of refs, just like Inter now...NOW IMAGINE THE PRESSURE OF THE REFS! Seriously, we need to stop bitching and win the bloody games on our own.
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And now we will be seeing a war of words and our players expecting PKs during games, heightened in game complaining...sparks made...expect a forest fire.
You heard it hear first.
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Thursday February 16 2012Ranieri: Conte is wrong
By Football Italia staff
Claudio Ranieri does not follow Antonio Conte’s assertion that only Juventus are suffering at the hands of referees this season.
After having two penalty appeals denied against Parma on Wednesday night, Conte delivered a post-match complaint to the Press that his Bianconeri are victims of referees unwilling to award them such decisions.
In his own news conference the next day that was otherwise for looking ahead to Inter’s Friday meeting with Bologna, Ranieri took time to assess Conte’s claim.
“The referees are afraid to award penalties to them?” he began. “Then with Inter they are terrified.
“With us too they have been wrong. I do not agree with Conte.
“I lost to Novara, and have been quiet with no excuses, the important thing is that the referee designator is not influenced by those who raise their voice.”
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Exactly what I didn't want to happen is happening. People are going to start rallying against us in favor of refs, just like Inter now...NOW IMAGINE THE PRESSURE OF THE REFS! Seriously, we need to stop bitching and win the bloody games on our own.
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And now we will be seeing a war of words and our players expecting PKs during games, heightened in game complaining...sparks made...expect a forest fire.
You heard it hear first.
Still think he should've chilled with the ref-talk, but ...
Can't stay mad at him for long
Can't stay mad at him for long
We have a justified cause to protest and Conte does that for the very first time, so that carries a loud message.
Even if people think a rant like this was called for or that it makes the refs stand up and take notice, while I am completely against this, I'd also like to point out that the rant probably was timed as badly as possible. On a night when we had absolutely no credible claim for one. That was the most important factor IMO. Because replays will clearly show that we are whining about non existent penalties in a game we should've won on our own but couldn't. If this rant had to come, it should've come on another day when these words would've held a little more weight and credibility.