Antonio Conte (61 Viewers)

[Fr3sh]

Allegri's demeanour on the sideline is way more Stile Juve than Conte ever was. Reminds me of Lippi at times, especially his sense of humour, charm, the way he seems pretty calm and composed on the sidelines (but can explode at a moments notice) Those Tuscans

Allegri should start smoking cigars.

 

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[Klin]

Management told him to decide later after the vacation yes. You see in a corporation, each individual has a job and responsibilities that go with it. The management are responsible for who gets to be coach and so If they felt that they want to give time to an employee of theirs to reconsider his decision, then that is their call and their responsibility not his. They told him don't quit now. Take time off and think about it and when you are back give us your final decision.

Now it is possible that the employee has made up his mind fully and saw zero chance of changing his mind but it is also possible that he thought he might feel better after the break and so he told them, okay I will let you know after the vacation. He continued to feel depleted after the vacation and so he told them just that. They then hired someone else.

You see when you have a great employee in your company who plays a key role, you want to hold on to him as much as possible and so often times, managers tell their subordinates to take time off to rethink the exit. If they thought he was just another mediocre employee they'd have let him go without any fuss but they believed that he was the best guy for the job and so they tried to hold on to him and at the same time had a plan B in case that fails. Nothing out of the ordinary occured here. Neither the employee did anything wrong in taking his time before making a final decision nor did the management in trying to hold on to him (as long as they had a plan for the scenario where he decides to leave).

If Allegri had turned out to be a bad coach, then whose fault is it that the club now has a poor coach? It is management's fault not the now-departed employee.
When would the employee be at fault? He would be at fault if he left without notice at an important time in the season. If what happened was that Conte gave them the illusion that he is staying and then suddenly decided to quit then that would be bad and unprofessional behaviour. But since what actually happened is nothing more than them giving him time to rethink and him actually taking that time, then nothing wrong has occurred.

If anything, I'd have been insulted if Conte had said he is leaving and refused to even rethink the decision. Imagine Agnelli telling him we have all this rapport together, can you at least take time to rethink your decision? and Conte says no. I think the club owes him at least a rethinking of his decision to leave.

The bitterness that people have towards his departure is because the impression that we first had is that Conte suddenly left us in pre-season without any warning. That would have been definitely a shitty move and a stab in the back to the club. We only found out that this was planned by management and Conte after the whole debacle exploded and people were already hurt. A lot of people are yet to get over that first impression they had of the events.

Not only was the first impression that Conte suddenly jumped ship, it was also coupled with the horror of knowing that Allegri (who was considered an incompetent coach by a majority of serie A fans) will replace him. We felt that by jumping ship we are forced to take an incompetent coach and the whole Juve project is in danger of regression if not collapse. The first impression had us stabbed in the back & forced to use an incompetent coach in panic.

Only later we found out that management knew about how he feels from the season before and have given him time to rethink his decision and that Allegri was planned from the start. Imagine that all this was public knowledge from the start. Imagine that after our scudetto celebrations, Agnelli came out and said that Conte is thinking about leaving the club and that since we value him so highly, we gave him time to reconsider his decision and that the final decision will be announced early in preseason and that if Conte were to decide to leave, the club will hire allegri.
Who would you have been outraged at? Conte? Hell no. You would have been outraged at management and would have been panicking the entire summer and praying that he stays. You'd have pressured management to give him more money or a bigger transfer kit.

Even the scenario that you say Conte should have followed is much worse. Imagine again that Agnelli publicly said that Conte has told us he is leaving and that we told him to rethink it over the summer and yet Conte refused to even rethink it despite the club's assurance that they have a replacement lined up if he leaves. You would have been questioning his love for Juve and saying management assured him that everything is under control if he leaves.. he could have atleast gave himself time to think about it.

So try to get over the first impression by absorbing the new facts.What you thought had happened did not actually happen. Adjust your emotions accordingly.

That's simply too long to read for me buddy, but I appreciate your effort.

 

[Osman]

It was a fantastic post actually.


And Jay, of course that on it's own means little, shouting and jumping on the sidelines (can be obnoxious in different way). Helps to dominate too but also shows engagement and heart for the team if it's done out of commitment instead of just personality (like Kopp, doubt he cares for Liverpool).

 

[Hist]

That's simply too long to read for me buddy, but I appreciate your effort.

 

[Fr3sh]

Hard to disagree from an objective point of view, however i am not an objective person, im biased as fuck. Hope Conte remains in Allegri's shadow like capello was under lippi's.

 

[Hist]

Hard to disagree from an objective point of view, however i am not an objective person, im biased as $#@!. Hope Conte remains in Allegri's shadow like capello was under lippi's.

As long as Allegri is our coach then sure I wish him much more success.

 

[Klin]

Now I feel bad and I will read it later today.

 

[Zacheryah]

Might be the best post ive read this year here so far.


Edit: just realised its 2016. It is the best post thia year so far

 

[Hist]

Now I feel bad and I will read it later today.

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Might be the best post ive read this year here so far.


Edit: just realised its 2016. It is the best post thia year so far

in the history of the forum

 

[pavluska]

Allegri on comparisons with Conte: "Enough, it's an impractical comparison. Antonio had 3 incredible years with a Juve that came 7th twice."

Even Allegri is like wtf.

Conte haters are suffering from serious memory lapse.

 

[DutchJuventino]

Allegri on comparisons with Conte: "Enough, it's an impractical comparison. Antonio had 3 incredible years with a Juve that came 7th twice."

Even Allegri is like wtf.

Conte haters are suffering from serious memory lapse.

+1 rep

 

[Vlad]

Allegri on comparisons with Conte: "Enough, it's an impractical comparison. Antonio had 3 incredible years with a Juve that came 7th twice."

Even Allegri is like wtf.

Conte haters are suffering from serious memory lapse.

Allegri is respectful fellow, down to earth guy. Did you seriously expect any other comment from him? That's why I like the guy. He's humble.

Imho he (Allegri) has been more successful, CL final alone is worth few Serie A titles. The exposure we got only by reaching the final is incomparable.

 

[j0ker]

CL final alone is worth few Serie A titles.

Wat?

C'mon now.

 

[Osman]

Hahaha, a Juve fan actually said losing in a final is worth several Serie A titles.

 

[Vlad]

Wat?

C'mon now.

You won't find bigger Serie A enthusiast than me, but one CL final had/will have more benfits on our finances than few Serie A titles. You'll probably see it on our commercial revenues this term. Those stagnated in the last several years.

But even if we neglect financial aspect of the game, 1 Serie A, 1 Coppa and CL final > 3 Serie A titles in a row and this has only been his first season.

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Hahaha, a Juve fan actually said losing in a final is worth several Serie A titles.

hahahaha you didn't get it. Unsurprisingly.

 

[Osman]

Yes I will never get how being the best loser will ever be better then several titles.

 

[kao_ray]

"Not enough money in Italian football"

 

[Ronn]

Conte: ‘Serie A has declined’
By Football Italia staff

Italy CT Antonio Conte believes “Serie A is only in fourth place” in terms of the best Leagues in the world.

The Coach won three consecutive Scudetti with Juventus, before leaving in the summer of 2014 to take over the Azzurri job.

“I think the best football is currently being played in England,” Conte told FIFA’s 1904 magazine.

“Followed by the Leagues in Spain and Germany. Serie A is only in fourth place, there are no two ways about it. It didn’t used to be that way.

“It’s not wistful, it’s just the truth. Italian football used to be in a far better state. Serie A was one of the most attractive Leagues in the world. Everybody wanted to play their football here.

“If you look at the figures from the past, it’s even clearer. When we became world champions in 2006, 66 per cent of all players in Serie A were Italian, and that figure was even higher when I was playing.

“Today that figure is only 34 per cent. Club owners are no longer prepared to invest huge sums of money in their teams. There’s simply a lack of money in Serie A.

“The national team obviously suffers as a result. There are fewer players available for selection. I’m still optimistic about the future for Serie A though, we’re on our way back to the top.

“The clubs have started to invest more in youth football again, and the FIGC has also launched good, ambitious development projects.

“We are now in a very exciting period which I would compare to where Germany were about 15 years ago, when the German Federation started setting up training centres in every region.

“We all know how well that project turned out, with Germany winning the 2014 World Cup with players who were just kids back then.”

Some of Italy’s greatest successes have come playing defensive football, but Conte isn’t keen to return to the days of catenaccio.

“Catenaccio and counter-attacking football have had their day. We have to have a rethink and move with the times.

“Football has changed dramatically, and I have a feeling that the mentality is changing in Italy. Good attacking football is all about the art of quickly switching to attack after winning the ball, but still finding the right balance between defence and attack.”

 

[Vlad]

The best football is being played in England

Always cracks me up.

 

[JuveJay]

He's begging for a PL job after the Euros. Even English people don't think the best football is there.

When he says "il miglior calcio si giochi in Inghilterra" it's more like the complete package; finances, stadiums, players (as a whole), not what we would call the "best football".