Antonio Conte (201 Viewers)

[JuveID]

This is serious. Not trolling.
I do not think and consider that conte is most important figure for juve in 2011/2012.
If allegri was our coach in 2011, we would have scudetto also or at least UCL qualiffication.
Consider we have good player, solid management, and stadium.
I do not believe that he installed winning mentality or champion coach, or something like that.

There is no champion coach who do what conte did.
First what he said after bayern.
I do not know why he said that. Even it is right, he should say that to public.
He is our legend.
There is no point to say that our squad can not compete in europe?
Second he left the team in ritiro.
I do not know the champion coach who left the team with that way.
Everyone shocked with that.

Why left? Unmotivated? What an excuse.
He was just afraid if galatasaray tragedy happened to him again.
He was afraid that his "installed winning mentality" title broken if juve got bad result in his 4th season.
Especially roma seemed better,more motivated than last season (even fact say oposite ) .

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Bianconero_Aus]

Infractions for insulting another team's coach? LOL disgraceful.

 

[JCK]

Allegri changed that mentality in Europe. And it was very obvious in Dortmund game, not only from the score, but how confident were the players.

This there is where it's at. Also his comments after the draw that all other teams should consider themselves lucky they avoided us is what we were missing in Europe.

 

[JuveID]

We will se if he is true motivator man with italt or not.

But seems it is not.

 

[Raz]

What lack of Loyalty? he is coaching Juve's national team not a rival. He quit because he thought he wont be able to give his best anymore. Would you rather he stayed while not being motivated and not giving his all?

He did an honorable thing in leaving when he thought that he wasn't fit for the job anymore. The timing is what upsets people and as things turned out it didnt cause us any trouble and we signed a very competent coach immediately after Conte left. Even our management itself said that they convinced him to stay for most of the pre-season and that he wanted to leave at the end of last season.

He left honorably? Oh boy...

The guy will always be remembered that he brought us back, and thank you for that to him, but after that he wasn't the same, he crippled us in CL with his mentality.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dude, he is infact coaching the team run by our BIGGEST enemy. The disgusting FIGC...the same organisation who nearly $#@!ed his career 3 years ago. Some great "memory of an elephant" he has.

- - - Updated - - -



the more things change...

I can't believe he called Croatia the best team in the group.

Man, if Italy lose in Turin, the boos and jeers are going to rain down on his head. And we'll probably get the usual Conte sob story to the media of how the clubs don't cooperate and he is not receiving proper support and Italy is like that team riding in the third class train carriage trying to sneak into the first class dining car.

 

[JuveID]

Infractions for insulting another team's coach? LOL disgraceful.

But insult allegri and marotta is ok.
Hmm..

We just say the truth.

 

[Raz]

the more things change...

Seriously... For all that he did in serie a and brought us back, talking about his winning mentality is laughable when reading his coutes on CL... back stabbing pussy, no one likes back stabbing pussies.

 

[Post Ironic]

But insult allegri and marotta is ok.
Hmm..

We just say the truth.

It is because certain mods here spent quite a bit of time insulting Allegri when he was appointed Juventus coach, right in his thread.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

But insult allegri and marotta is ok.
Hmm..

We just say the truth.

some of the shit certain posters have said about Marotta over the years, unsanctioned and encouraged, totally let off the hook. But when we insult ConteSchettino, all hell breaks loose. Typical double standards from that dastardly mod, @X.

 

[Post Ironic]

Seriously... For all that he did in serie a and brought us back, talking about his winning mentality is laughable when reading his coutes on CL... back stabbing pussy, no one likes back stabbing pussies.

Backstabbing pussy... You're talking about trannies here, right?

 

[Raz]

Backstabbing pussy... You're talking about trannies here, right?

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

This there is where it's at. Also his comments after the draw that all other teams should consider themselves lucky they avoided us is what we were missing in Europe.

And I've just been reading some comments Conte made before and after the games VS Bayern from 2 years ago.

Chalk and Cheese with Allegri. Clear loser and scared mentality, we were defeated before we even kicked a ball. I was always critical of Conte's attitude and tactics he used in the CL, and it seems he has also hilariously brought the same loser mentality with him to the Italian NT as well, given his comments from yesterday.

- - - Updated - - -

We will se if he is true motivator man with italt or not.

But seems it is not.

LOL, he already conceded that Croatia are the strongest and best team in the group and that they are fighting for 2nd with Norway.

- - - Updated - - -

I have always said the Champions League is a dream for us and we’d follow it, but always aware there are teams at a more advanced level. Also, don’t forget they can pay millions for a single player, whereas we cannot compete on a financial level.

Bring 'em out.

 

[Hist]

2006 WC doenst count, as the full extent of Farsopoli wasn't known until a little bit after that.

It certainly affected me as a fan. I don't support the Italian NT anymore, or at least not the way I used to. Cannot support a country run by a disgraceful mafia organisation like the FIGC.

People are free to support who they want. But you'll find a lot of Italian Juventus fans also don't like/support the NT nowadays as well. LOL going on VecchiaSignora forums yesterday and most of them had posts saying "FORZA BULGARIA" etc.

Buffon is still NT captain you know Not to mention the rest of the players.

Just admit it. He is a traitor because he is coaching the FIGC's national team is a shitty argument to make

 

[Post Ironic]

Buffon is still NT captain you know Not to mention the rest of the players.

Just admit it. He is a traitor because he is coaching the FIGC's national team is a $#@!ty argument to make

Nah. He's lame for saying he was too fatigued and lacking motivation to go on with Juventus... He needed a sabbatical from coaching for a year he said. And lo and behold, a month later he's the national team coach. He abandoned Juve because he actually thought we had reached our peak and couldn't go any further in Europe. He thought group stage/rof16 was our level. He wanted to go out having broken the Serie a points record and not have to deal with trying to show he could be successful in Europe. He was too terrified he would fail and be exposed as the limited manager he is. So he quit, citing fatigue and motivation.

And then he showed the obvious lie there by joining the national team a month later. He obviously knew he would accept whatever big job came his way, whenever it came his way. His behaviour this summer was disgraceful.

 

[Hist]

You're being as ridiculous as the Conte haters. As I said Conte is a good man-motivator and a $#@!ty tactician.

But Marotta and Paratici assembled that squad, and gave Conte the talent he needed to win. Are you denying that we spent around 100 million that summer to assemble a squad capable of winning for Conte? We did. He deserves credit for what he did, but without Marotta and Paratici he fails here. No doubt about it.

For a coach to get the best out of a player. That player has to have the potential to begin with. Pirlo is a case where he clearly had the potential (as he has expressed it before for many years) but Conte brought him back to life.

There was much less evidence available that Barzagli was any good. He had one good season in Germany and then he was benched then discarded for free.
Vucinic wasn't having a good time at Roma either.


So yes Marotta obviously brought the players, but don't make it seem like any other coach could have gotten this much out of them. The players that Conte failed to get them to perform has been failing even more ever since they left.
Our own management said that the team was built for a top 3 finish and that by winning the scudetto we had won 3 years ahead of plan.Both Marotta and Conte did not expect things to go that well.

Again instilling a winning mentality and keeping it is not an easy task. Garcia is an example of a coach who breathed new life into the squad but struggled to retain that mentality.

Van Gaal is struggling with doing the same thing with a Mega $ squad. Madrid had a loser mentality against barca and in the CL before Mourinho changed that.

A good squad doesnt achieve results on its own. Certainly not a squad that hasnt challenged for a title for more than 5 years.

- - - Updated - - -

Nah. He's lame for saying he was too fatigued and lacking motivation to go on with Juventus... He needed a sabbatical from coaching for a year he said. And lo and behold, a month later he's the national team coach. He abandoned Juve because he actually thought we had reached our peak and couldn't go any further in Europe. He thought group stage/rof16 was our level. He wanted to go out having broken the Serie a points record and not have to deal with trying to show he could be successful in Europe. He was too terrified he would fail and be exposed as the limited manager he is. So he quit, citing fatigue and motivation.

And then he showed the obvious lie there by joining the national team a month later. He obviously knew he would accept whatever big job came his way, whenever it came his way. His behaviour this summer was disgraceful.

Again when a coach thinks his team has peaked and that this is the best he could achieve with the squad, why the hell do you want him to stay?

Why not give room for another coach that believes he can achieve more with that squad?

- - - Updated - - -

Nah. He's lame for saying he was too fatigued and lacking motivation to go on with Juventus... He needed a sabbatical from coaching for a year he said. And lo and behold, a month later he's the national team coach. He abandoned Juve because he actually thought we had reached our peak and couldn't go any further in Europe. He thought group stage/rof16 was our level. He wanted to go out having broken the Serie a points record and not have to deal with trying to show he could be successful in Europe. He was too terrified he would fail and be exposed as the limited manager he is. So he quit, citing fatigue and motivation.

And then he showed the obvious lie there by joining the national team a month later. He obviously knew he would accept whatever big job came his way, whenever it came his way. His behaviour this summer was disgraceful.

So you are telling me that you'd prefer it if he had come out and said "this squad has peaked, I dont thing this group can achieve anything more. I am out"
Fans would literally kill him for shitting on the team like that. Most people here were bothered when he said we cant compete with the european financial giants.

 

[Post Ironic]

For a coach to get the best out of a player. That player has to have the potential to begin with. Pirlo is a case where he clearly had the potential (as he has expressed it before for many years) but Conte brought him back to life.

There was much less evidence available that Barzagli was any good. He had one good season in Germany and then he was benched then discarded for free.
Vucinic wasn't having a good time at Roma either.


So yes Marotta obviously brought the players, but don't make it seem like any other coach could have gotten this much out of them. The players that Conte failed to get them to perform has been failing even more ever since they left.
Our own management said that the team was built for a top 3 finish and that by winning the scudetto we had won 3 years ahead of plan.Both Marotta and Conte did not expect things to go that well.

Again instilling a winning mentality and keeping it is not an easy task. Garcia is an example of a coach who breathed new life into the squad but struggled to retain that mentality.

Van Gaal is struggling with doing the same thing with a Mega $ squad. Madrid had a loser mentality against barca and in the CL before Mourinho changed that.

A good squad doesnt achieve results on its own. Certainly not a squad that hasnt challenged for a title for more than 5 years.

Garcia had other issues. Such as Benatia being sold, and Castan being out for the season, and Sabatini making colossal errors on the transfer market. Now, I don't Garcia is a very good coach, he's very inflexible tactically, much the same as Conte.

Conte didn't have any starters sold on him in his entire tenure at Juventus. He had fantastic continuity amongst players. Each summer he was here, Marotta and Paratici brought new starting XI players for him, that improved our squad quality.

First season starters brought in = 5: Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Pirlo, Vidal, Vucinic Key rotation players = 3: Matri, Cacares, Giach
Second season starters brought in = 1: Asamoah Key Rotation players = 2: Giovinco, Isla
Third season starters brought in = 2: Llorente, Tevez Key Rotation players = 1: Ogbonna

Looking at his third year here. Our management improved 7 of our starting 11, from the season before he arrived.

Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah, Vidal, Pirlo, Llorente, Tevez. All key starters in the last year Conte was here. All improvements on what was here in 2010. All brought in by our management. Conte was blessed to have such talented directors backing him.

- - - Updated - - -

Again when a coach thinks his team has peaked and that this is the best he could achieve with the squad, why the hell do you want him to stay?

Why not give room for another coach that believes he can achieve more with that squad?

So you are telling me that you'd prefer it if he had come out and said "this squad has peaked, I dont thing this group can achieve anything more. I am out"
Fans would literally kill him for $#@!ting on the team like that. Most people here were bothered when he said we cant compete with the european financial giants.

If he thought these things, and thought our management didn't have the proper ambition to win in Europe, and that this squad wasn't good enough... then he's a moron. A complete and utter imbecile. Delusional nutter. This squad easily had the talent to do what teams like Dortmund, Atletico, Chelsea(2013) have done. Our squad from last season, and even more so this season is easily good enough to win CL. Are we a favourite? No. But we're easily within the realm of possibility.

So if he actually quit because he thought we weren't good enough. He's a total moron.

If he quit because he didn't think he was good enough or experienced enough to take this team any further, than he should have said that, rather than throwing frequent hints that it wasn't him who was limited, but our players and squad and management that were limited.

THat's disgraceful fucking behaviour from a Juventus coach. Egotistical, narcissistic and pathetic. And I was one of his biggest defenders, even with regards to his European performances, because I thought he was motivated to prove just how good a manager he was, and how he would learn from his experiences and failures in Europe and grow from it. Instead, the club legend, acted disgracefully towards the club. And that's much worse than someone with no affiliation at all behaving that way. He owes the club and its fans an apology for his behaviour. And I will see him in a far more negative light until this is offered.

 

[K.O.]

This sad attempt by Conte to victimize himself is becoming so annoying! I started hating the guy after I was one of his biggest supporters even post-Juve.

However, I do think John Elkan and Andrea Agnelli are trying to destabilize FIGC by all means necessary just for the sole purpose of getting back at Tavecchio, which as a non-Italian Juve fan, doesn't concern me a bit.

 

[Hist]

Garcia had other issues. Such as Benatia being sold, and Castan being out for the season, and Sabatini making colossal errors on the transfer market. Now, I don't Garcia is a very good coach, he's very inflexible tactically, much the same as Conte.

Conte didn't have any starters sold on him in his entire tenure at Juventus. He had fantastic continuity amongst players. Each summer he was here, Marotta and Paratici brought new starting XI players for him, that improved our squad quality.

First season starters brought in = 5: Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Pirlo, Vidal, Vucinic Key rotation players = 3: Matri, Cacares, Giach
Second season starters brought in = 1: Asamoah Key Rotation players = 2: Giovinco, Isla
Third season starters brought in = 2: Llorente, Tevez Key Rotation players = 1: Ogbonna

Looking at his third year here. Our management improved 7 of our starting 11, from the season before he arrived.

Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah, Vidal, Pirlo, Llorente, Tevez. All key starters in the last year Conte was here. All improvements on what was here in 2010. All brought in by our management. Conte was blessed to have such talented directors backing him.

Again in my previous post I already said that he obviously cannot get the best out of players who don't already possess the quality potentially. Every player has an upper limit of abilities that no coach can go beyond. No coach can make Tevez score 70 goals per season like Messi. But some coaches can manage him to score 25 goals and others can only manage him to get 10. An ideal coach is one who gets the most out of his players; the players Marotta supplies him with. Simeone is the best example of a coach that last season got 100% out of all his players. Tiago always had the potential in him but every coach that worked with him prior to Simeone has failed to get even decent football out of him.
Marotta did do a great job picking out players that the world have forgotten because of their bad form in previous years and Conte did a great job at getting them back to their best. ATM's director too has been doing a great job finding forgotten players, but Simeone got the most out of them. Both get credit for a job very well done.

Don't avoid my other arguments.
1) You said its a dick move to leave us citing lack of motivation and fatigue when the real reason was that he thought the squad has peaked and can achieve no more. I asked you if you would have been happier had he publicly stated the real reason and shat on our squad in public. Obviously the hate he'd receive would have been much worse.

2) You said he is working for the FIGC enemy, I said so is Buffon, Chiellini, Bonnucci, Pirlo, Marchisio etc...and so did Del Piero. Are they traitors? obviously not.

3) you used his real reason for leaving (that he thought he couldnt achieve anything better with the squad) as if its a bad thing against him. You yourself agree with him. You believe he doesnt have the right skills to make the team progress further. He agrees and so he packed his stuff and left. No sane fan would want a coach who thinks that he cant make progress and he didnt want to be such a coach and resigned. If he had stayed and repeated 2013 you'd be calling for his sacking. The day allegri or any other coach thinks that he cant take the team forward, I want him to leave or to get sacked. If he resigns I'll respect that and if he doesn't then I'll celebrate the leech's sacking.

4) Others are upset because he left halfway through pre-season. Nedved revealed that Conte had quit at the end of last season but that they told him to try the pre-season and leave if he doesn't feel satisfied. He tried and when he didnt feel fit for the job he resigned as per his agreement with management.

5) Conte's 2011 squad was made mostly of old talented players that have been with the club for years and vastly under-performing + new signings that were terribly under-performing elsewhere + Vidal and Licht?. Is getting this group (on their first season together to win Serie A undefeated against a pre-sales Ac-milan coached by a top manager like Allegri), an easy task that any good coach can achieve?



Address all the points that you disagree with here.

 

[napoleonic]

If he thought these things, and thought our management didn't have the proper ambition to win in Europe, and that this squad wasn't good enough... then he's a moron. A complete and utter imbecile. Delusional nutter. This squad easily had the talent to do what teams like Dortmund, Atletico, Chelsea(2013) have done. Our squad from last season, and even more so this season is easily good enough to win CL. Are we a favourite? No. But we're easily within the realm of possibility.

this, even under conte we played toe to toe with real madrid with the right approach, yet somehow he still convinced himself that the team was not good enough -and even not good enough for europa league-? what kind of champion thought like that?