Antonio Conte (141 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

Some people are delusional, living in their own little bubble. Too much butthurt, not enough reality. Until we consistently perform in Europe, we are not a top team. Destroying a weak Serie A is impressive, but not worthy of top team status.

 

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[Hydde]

Some people are delusional, living in their own little bubble. Too much butthurt, not enough reality. Until we consistently perform in Europe, we are not a top team. Destroying a weak Serie A is impressive, but not worthy of top team status.

IM totally convinced we are not a top team. We are more fart than shid like someone said. We have the Vidals and Pogbas but we do not live up to our name anymore.

Big fish in small pond nutil proven otherwise.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Some people are delusional, living in their own little bubble. Too much butthurt, not enough reality. Until we consistently perform in Europe, we are not a top team. Destroying a weak Serie A is impressive, but not worthy of top team status.

so what you're saying is that Juve have not been a top team since the 90s?

ok...





mind you i guess real madrid have only just become a top team this season

 

[JCK]

The fact is Conte never makes mistakes.

 

[Cronios]

Conte had done a few grave mistakes, esp in the Italian cup.
His consistent mistake is the unjustified and misplaced faith on Bonucci and Padoin, but probably this is not his choice entirely.
Marotta and the board has imposed far too many limitations, (because of incompetence and nationalism) we could not really do better than we did, except from winning the silver star of course.
But in europe we couldnt do any better. Our team is not comparable with the old time Juve, it is far more inferior quality wise, it is hard for the younger ones to understand that, as it is harder for them to estimate and remember the quality level of the pre-calciopoli Juve and the entire serie A for the same matter.
With the squad Conte have had at hand at the beginning of the season, we should wait for the championship, being that wide, for the cup as well and with some favorable drwan a great European campaign.

Unfortunately the european draws were very unfortunate, we were pitted with the refs favorite team, Real madrid in the middle games, where the qualification is made or lost and the team that has completely hard pawned us in the transfer field, humiliating us by making us to gift them Melo, pretending that they cant afford him and then beat us to Sneijder's, Eboue's and Drogba's signature.
And Benfica, who was the only team that could disqualify us in the Uefa cup and keep us away from the final home, where we could beat anyone, even them...

 

[swag]

I dont get the Mancini and Capello comparisons with Conte, they both had a shit tonne of money to spend every year and some of the best teams around. Conte has neither of them in all honesty.

Sure he could have done more with the resources at his disposal and definitely have had the team playing better attacking football. Fact is he has only had a fraction of what Capello and Mancini had with this squad.

I've been saying Capello for a while now. Delivers domestically and shows inflexibility and a limited gameplan/repertoire to adjust for adversity.

Mancini I don't get. He was about getting primadonnas to play nice together and had good successes in domestic cup tournaments, which we haven't had since the 90s.

 

[.zero]

STREEEEET

 

[swag]

Streeeeeeeeet!!!!

 

[Vialli_92]

Are you implying that the current team is not a top team ?

What makes us a top team? Not being able to beat Gala over 2 legs or not being able to score at home against Benfica? Get real please and step down off the high horse down to reality.

With out formation and tactics we will never be a top team. Having Asamoah and Lichsteiner as our only wide players to break down defences is border line insane if u expect those 2 players to break open defences when they are isolated on the wing. When we realise that doens't work we play countless long balls over the top which ofc did not work against a strong defence.

If we had Dani Alves and David Alba on our flanks then we could expect some kind of danger from our wing backs but the simple answer is we can not break down strong defences as we dont have the attacking players to open up defences. We are easier to read than a childrens book and the opposition teams just give us countless space on the wings as they know we dont have the players to do anything useful.

 

[.zero]

If we had Dani Alves and David Alba on our flanks then we could expect some kind of danger from our wing backs but the simple answer is we can not break down strong defences as we dont have the attacking players to open up defences. We are easier to read than a childrens book and the opposition teams just give us countless space on the wings as they know we dont have the players to do anything useful.

We are not a top team and we don't have Alves or Alaba so there is nothing more to discuss except the streets

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Do you even realize that all those team played 6 fucking games more than us?

According to that we are the team that created the most.

Man, you really never fail to amaze me.

All semifinals teams have better conversation rate than we do, why you can't understand simple things, that's what i meant - some games we can't even create good moments to score, some games we lack finishing

 

[Hist]

Are you implying that the current team is not a top team ?

not world class no. On paper the capello team is better in every position except vidal and Pirlo.

A world class team has a bench that allows it to switch strategies depending on the opposition. Whenever we play a 4-3-3 we have 3 players playing out of position. A world class team has a big wallet and strong appeal. We dont.

This team can win serie A and get past the group stage in the CL for the next few years and no one can rightfully demand that it performs any higher than than. The capello team was demanded to win the CL and Serie A because it was infinitely superior on paper. The coach was a very expensive and experienced one. The squad and bench were very expensive and experienced. Del Piero and Mutu were on the bench ffs.

 

[ALC]

All semifinals teams have better conversation rate than we do, why you can't understand simple things, that's what i meant - some games we can't even create good moments to score, some games we lack finishing

But you said the less you create, the less you score.

 

[Vialli_92]

not world class no. On paper the capello team is better in every position except vidal and Pirlo.

A world class team has a bench that allows it to switch strategies depending on the opposition. Whenever we play a 4-3-3 we have 3 players playing out of position. A world class team has a big wallet and strong appeal. We dont.

This team can win serie A and get past the group stage in the CL for the next few years and no one can rightfully demand that it performs any higher than than. The capello team was demanded to win the CL and Serie A because it was infinitely superior on paper. The coach was a very expensive and experienced one. The squad and bench were very expensive and experienced. Del Piero and Mutu were on the bench ffs.

Capello was a disaster at Juve in all honesty, it was so hard to watch those 1-0 games all the time and then the expectations for the CL and then not even get close to those expectations was a nightmare.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

But you said the less you create, the less you score.

Forgot to add 2nd part

 

[j0ker]

All semifinals teams have better conversation rate than we do, why you can't understand simple things, that's what i meant - some games we can't even create good moments to score, some games we lack finishing

According to who? Certainly not to that pic you posted.

 

[.zero]

In all honesty if you compare our past coaches (excluding DD, Ranieri, Zaccheroni, Ferrara and DN) in Capello, Lippi and Ancelotti against Conte they are all pretty much even in success with the exception of Lippi's European Cup title in 96. Also, this is the weakest squad of them all overall. But this squad has succeeded in historic fashion in Serie A compared to all the squads of the other great managers. True, those other squads played deep into European tourneys but never tasted the ultimate victory so in my eyes it all equals the same. With Conte, at least we are winning something conisistently which is better than nothing. The European tournaments are vastly different now due to the financial playing field. It's tough to build a winning side and to retain those world class players as many sides have learned over the past decade. If you asked me if I rate Conte higher than Capello or Ancelotti then I would say no. But then again he will accumulate more trophies/titles for Juve than both of those coaches combined. He is a very young coach and will learn from his mistakes. Keep in mind that even with the best coach and best squad doesn't guarantee success. Form, injuries, context all play a part in seasons and tourneys.

STREET 4 LIFE

 

[Vialli_92]

In all honesty if you compare our past coaches (excluding DD, Ranieri, Zaccheroni, Ferrara and DN) in Capello, Lippi and Ancelotti against Conte they are all pretty much even in success with the exception of Lippi's European Cup title in 96. Also, this is the weakest squad of them all overall. But this squad has succeeded in historic fashion in Serie A compared to all the squads of the other great managers. True, those other squads played deep into European tourneys but never tasted the ultimate victory so in my eyes it all equals the same. With Conte, at least we are winning something conisistently which is better than nothing. The European tournaments are vastly different now due to the financial playing field. It's tough to build a winning side and to retain those world class players as many sides have learned over the past decade. If you asked me if I rate Conte higher than Capello or Ancelotti then I would say no. But then again he will accumulate more trophies/titles for Juve than both of those coaches combined. He is a very young coach and will learn from his mistakes. Keep in mind that even with the best coach and best squad doesn't guarantee success. Form, injuries, context all play a part in seasons and tourneys.

STREET 4 LIFE

If he could get his act together in Europe and stopped setting the team up so one dimensional he could easily surpass Ancelotti, Capello and Lippi. Lippi had one of the best teams the CL has ever seen and lost 3 finals only winning one. We were favourites in 3/4 of the finals and lost every time we were favourites.

Only time we won was against Ajax when they were the defending champions. So to an extent Lippi failed in Europe as well even though he won it for us once.

 

[.zero]

If he could get his act together in Europe and stopped setting the team up so one dimensional he could easily surpass Ancelotti, Capello and Lippi. Lippi had one of the best teams the CL has ever seen and lost 3 finals only winning one. We were favourites in 3/4 of the finals and lost every time we were favourites.

Only time we won was against Ajax when they were the defending champions. So to an extent Lippi failed in Europe as well even though he won it for us once.

Since 96 we have lost 3 Euro/CL finals. 2 Consecutive losses under Lippi with possibly some of the best club squads in European history. All equally heart breaking but both were seasoned coaches while Conte is just starting out. He is naturally arrogant and strong willed just as he was as a player. He will learn because he has to whether he likes it or not.

 

[Hydde]

Since 96 we have lost 3 Euro/CL finals. 2 Consecutive losses under Lippi with possibly some of the best club squads in European history. All equally heart breaking but both were seasoned coaches while Conte is just starting out. He is naturally arrogant and strong willed just as he was as a player. He will learn because he has to whether he likes it or not.

The thing is, he needs to learnfaster, because he has gone backwards since our defeat against bayern.
On top of that, his euro interviews are lolwrthy and im not buying into his badass speeches anymore.