Antonio Conte (93 Viewers)

[Badass J Elkann]

What truth? No one is asking for champagne football. Your problem is that you consider our CB and GK passing between them for 1 minute means killing their attacking play and countering their tactics. That's just pussy football. Embarrassing football. No one is asking Bonucci to dribble past 10 players and shoot from 40m out. I just want to see the team making movements off the ball, the midfield helping out in attack, our wing backs putting in a decent cross in their box. That's just basic football. We lack that from our play. We overdo things because our game plan is not even clear to our players and when it is, it becomes predictable. Boring.

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Don't worry. We won't win it.

now you're over exaggerating

if Juve bore you that much THEN DON'T FUCKING WATCH THEM! simple as! I happen to only care about winning and getting the necessary results, how we go about it i don't actually care, bonucci and buffon can pass amongst themselves all game for all i care just as long as the win is secured

if our football is predictable what about barcelona's of the last few years? or spain? isn't that predictable too?

 

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[rakib567]

changing it??? when have I ever argued about changing the 3-5-2?? infact that is YOUR argument. my argument is so long we are winning i don't care. and guess what? we are and guess what else? it is with the 3-5-2 if we know how to win best with it then again so be it. I don't care about being wowed by great football, history only cares about who $#@!ing wins at the end of it and so do i

again, it's not the 352 it's the quality of players we have within the likes of pirlo, vidal pogba tevez etc.... they make us win for the formation. you said it urself it's not the formation but the "mentality". however the 352 has big problems like:

-making CMs very tires
-not being able to counterattack
-passing is very predictable
- wingbacks usually fully trapped in 2v1 situations against good teams like Bayern.


so in order for juventus to show their worth in elite Europe (which is what every fan wants) we need to adapt. with teams like these it doesn't matter if they are out of form they will batter you to death because they have the quality, and we need to be at the best.

 

[Klin]

now you're over exaggerating

if Juve bore you that much THEN DON'T FUCKING WATCH THEM! simple as! I happen to only care about winning and getting the necessary results, how we go about it i don't actually care, bonucci and buffon can pass amongst themselves all game for all i care just as long as the win is secured

The thing you clearly fail to see is that European Competitions aren't like Serie A. In these competitions you actually have to show up and play good to win.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

every formation has its problems, the 352 is no more of a problem than that of ferrara's 4-2-3-1 or capello's 4-4-2 days

 

[rakib567]

The thing you clearly fail to see is that European Competitions aren't like Serie A. In these competitions you actually have to show up and play good to win.

I told u he is blind.

 

[Klin]

every formation has its problems, the 352 is no more of a problem than that of ferrara's 4-2-3-1 or capello's 4-4-2 days

Did I mention the formation?

 

[rakib567]

every formation has its problems, the 352 is no more of a problem than that of ferrara's 4-2-3-1 or capello's 4-4-2 days

talk to me about the problems the 4231 of heynckes had please.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

I'll just be extremely happy if we manage to go on and win this EL

We would be the most successfull team in EL history (Taking old version into account too) and finally have a European trophy. We also get a crack at an elite team in the European super cup too.

That being said, it's obvious we need to shake things up a bit because slowly we're being figured out. We lack a plan B severely, and even proven, elite teams like Barcelona who have the luxury of being carried by the best player in the World have been punished for having absolutely no alternative. If their way doesn't work, then they simply don't win

We can't progress as a club until we have a plan B, because things obviously are not going to go our way all the time.

Our bench offers us absolutely nothing different, I remember last season we wanted to change the team around but all we could do was bring on 2 inferior wing-backs because we have no better strikers, no attacking mids and no wide men to throw on. Bar Giovinco, who until recently was being grossly mis-used anyway.

 

[Zacheryah]

talk to me about the problems the 4231 of heynckes had please.

They lacked a proper holding midfielder

Then they got Javi martinez and raped the fucking world

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The thing you clearly fail to see is that European Competitions aren't like Serie A. In these competitions you actually have to show up and play good to win.

we did no worse under Conte in Europe than that of Capello. I don't see how Conte is any more to blame than managers of the past up until Lippi

 

[Zacheryah]

4231 is all nice and fuzzy, but those two holding midfielders, are impressively important, and hard to get the right ones, as they became rare

 

[Klin]

we did no worse under Conte in Europe than that of Capello. I don't see how Conte is any more to blame than managers of the past up until Lippi

How's that relevant though?

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Capello was disgusting in Europe. He is definitely not the benchmark to aim for. I'd rather we had Ranieri in Europe than him.

 

[rakib567]

They lacked a proper holding midfielder

Then they got Javi martinez and $#@!d the $#@!ing world

you are talking about players not formation.

I want to know the faults of his formation.

 

[Zacheryah]

you are talking about players not formation.

I want to know the faults of his formation.

4-2-3-1 is perfection. But the issue is getting the players for it. Wich is why very few teams actually pull it off well. but if they do, they usually destroy

 

[Badass J Elkann]

talk to me about the problems the 4231 of heynckes had please.

so what you're telling me is if Juve played the same formation they would have been more of a match against bayern last season? systems are designed and built to suit the players within the team. teams like bayern now would not switch to a 3-5-2 in the same manner Juve would not switch to a 4-2-3-1 because of this. Conte has already had to ditch his favoured 4-2-4 (442) and the 4-3-3 for this system because it works and results have shown that. until Juve are able to make adequate moves in the market to allow for more flexibility Conte can only work with what he has.

 

[rakib567]

so what you're telling me is if Juve played the same formation they would have been more of a match against bayern last season? systems are designed and built to suit the players within the team. teams like bayern now would not switch to a 3-5-2 in the same manner Juve would not switch to a 4-2-3-1 because of this. Conte has already had to ditch his favoured 4-2-4 (442) and the 4-3-3 for this system because it works and results have shown that. until Juve are able to make adequate moves in the market to allow for more flexibility Conte can only work with what he has.

I never said that. again putting words in other people's mouths.

 

[Klin]

so what you're telling me is if Juve played the same formation they would have been more of a match against bayern last season? systems are designed and built to suit the players within the team. teams like bayern now would not switch to a 3-5-2 in the same manner Juve would not switch to a 4-2-3-1 because of this. Conte has already had to ditch his favoured 4-2-4 (442) and the 4-3-3 for this system because it works and results have shown that. until Juve are able to make adequate moves in the market to allow for more flexibility Conte can only work with what he has.

Of course. That is exactly why Conte learned his lesson against Real this season.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

How's that relevant though?

did Juve under capello show up? or what about Juve under ferrara in europe did either one of them show up? funnily enough neither of those managers played 3-5-2 in fact I would argue both managers did worse in europe with Juve than Conte so far

 

[Klin]

did Juve under capello show up? or what about Juve under ferrara in europe did either one of them show up? funnily enough neither of those managers played 3-5-2 in fact I would argue both managers did worse in europe with Juve than Conte so far

Again, why the fuck should we compare ourselves to before? So if we were shit before, it's good to be less shitty now? Is that what you're saying?