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CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
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i'm gonna disagree with you chief.

our team is monstrous as well. lacking in some areas? for sure, but this is a team that should still be competing for titles and QF CL at minimum.

there is a lack of focus and motivation. what clear better guy to bring motivation than the guy who made his team win 3 back to back CL titles, then left and came back to win them la liga after they slumped?
Bentancur, Rabiot, Ramsey, Arthur and Mckennie. Monstrous? Go to sleep Lione
 

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Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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Bentancur, Rabiot, Ramsey, Arthur and Mckennie. Monstrous? Go to sleep Lione
bentancur, rabiot, arthur were starters for their teams in the seasons they won titles in italy, france, and spain.

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Bentancur, Rabiot, Ramsey, Arthur and Mckennie. Monstrous? Go to sleep Lione
bentancur, rabiot, arthur were starters for their teams in the seasons they won titles in italy, france, and spain.

let's put it this way. is wjinaldum a better player than modric or casmiero? not at all, but he still helped liverpool reach 2 finals and win 1. good motivation and inspirational coaching and solid tactics can still get your players to do well
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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I don’t know if Ronaldo is the best comparison here. I can’t help but still be unsure about Zidane’s abilities as a coach. Sure he won’t a lot of titles in his very first years but for a team that was just so complete in every aspect. Monstrous attack, outstanding mid and defense.

We still don’t know what he would do for a team that’s not at that level. Unsure about what he could do for us in our current state.
Zidane did quite a lot in Real. Sure that team was great, but even after when their quality fell down, he also did well with worse team. This year he did great considering team. I didn't consider them to be great this season, bar their monster mid, I think their team is rather average and it's filled with meh players. Even if we say Zidane is not a WC coach, I think it's a laughable rumour because is simply a nobody at the moment. Choosing between the two is simply idiotic and whoever picks Gattuso between those two, hell, even three including Pirlo, is a moron imo.
 

Dostoevsky

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bentancur, rabiot, arthur were starters for their teams in the seasons they won titles in italy, france, and spain.
That's not true unless you think Bernardeschi is a starter here. Arthur warmed bench at Barca, he had like 50% of the time on the pitch, if not less. He was a nobody there. Even when he did play he played rather poorly and provided nothing.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Let's be honest here: if the debate is down to Allegri vs Zidane, then we're more than good already. Both are massive upgrades on Pirlo who is just a poser, not a coach at all.

Hopefully there will be some proper backing by the club for either that comes. We need hungry and quality players, no more washed up 'galacticos' pls.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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Id like the u23 thing for Pirlo. I like him way too much to want his career to combust, so hopefully the u23 experience can help him develop before he takes on his next top level job. I’d be lying if i said i wont mind Pirlo back as coach once he has had sufficient experience and shown potential.


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I wouldn't trust him with the under 23s.

Our senior players look confused with his ideas, I can only imagine what that would do for a young player.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Let's be honest here: if the debate is down to Allegri vs Zidane, then we're more than good already. Both are massive upgrades on Pirlo who is just a poser, not a coach at all.

Hopefully there will be some proper backing by the club for either that comes. We need hungry and quality players, no more washed up 'galacticos' pls.
One thing that may keep Zidane from here is, will this club want a coach like Zidane who will for sure have more demands than Max? Or does the club want coach like Max who will pretty much work with what he's got or will demand cheaper options?
they have to be willing to spend another 100m to start with if we bring Zidane..that's a step we must take to win the CL anything less we are going in circles..
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
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One thing that may keep Zidane from here is, will this club want a coach like Zidane who will for sure have more demands than Max? Or does the club want coach like Max who will pretty much work with what he's got or will demand cheaper options?
they have to be willing to spend another 100m to start with if we bring Zidane..that's a step we must take to win the CL anything less we are going in circles..
Will he though? It’s a different situation this time around Allegrinho doesn’t really needs us and might have much better options on the table. He’s got the upper hand here.
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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One thing that may keep Zidane from here is, will this club want a coach like Zidane who will for sure have more demands than Max? Or does the club want coach like Max who will pretty much work with what he's got or will demand cheaper options?
they have to be willing to spend another 100m to start with if we bring Zidane..that's a step we must take to win the CL anything less we are going in circles..
Any coach who joins will have winning Serie A and getting past the group stage as their objective for the first couple of seasons. Its a project to start a new winning cycle and then build on top of that. CL is very far now.

The club felt very close and tried to make that last push with the Ronaldo and De Ligt signings but it failed and we actually retreated in quality. Its time to get back to basics of building a formidable team.
 

JuveE46

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Will he though? It’s a different situation this time around Allegrinho doesn’t really needs us and might have much better options on the table. He’s got the upper hand here.
Right, but we got no idea of his wants and ambitions but from what we do know it's certain Zidane will want more.

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Any coach who joins will have winning Serie A and getting past the group stage as their objective for the first couple of seasons. Its a project to start a new winning cycle and then build on top of that. CL is very far now.

The club felt very close and tried to make that last push with the Ronaldo and De Ligt signings but it failed and we actually retreated in quality. Its time to get back to basics of building a formidable team.
Yeah logically it is more likely that it will take us two seasons to get there but realistically we will have to try to do the best we can. Look at chelski what do these plastic bitches have for us to be two years off from competing? More motivation and guidance. Imo we can be up there again next season with the right planning..
 
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Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Right, but we got no idea of his wants and ambitions but from what we do know it's certain Zidane will want more.

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Yeah logically it is more likely that it will take us two seasons to get there but realistically we will have to try to do the best we can. Look at chelski what do these plastic bitches have for us to be two years off from competing? More motivation and guidance. Imo we can be up there again next season with the right planning..
A little luck and hitting a great run of form when it mattered in Europe. But they are here by surprise. No one expected them to be near the final and rightfully so. Spurs were in a final recently too and totally against expectations. You won't see this Chelsea here again on a regular basis unless they do a good job building on top of this surprise run.

You build to be a regular contender like Bayern, Real or City not to be the year's surprise underdog.
 
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Id like the u23 thing for Pirlo. I like him way too much to want his career to combust, so hopefully the u23 experience can help him develop before he takes on his next top level job. I’d be lying if i said i wont mind Pirlo back as coach once he has had sufficient experience and shown potential.


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Juventus fans are so caring.





Sack his ass
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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He won’t be sacked, cause we will be banned from the CL for two seasons.
Doesn’t matter anymore who coaches us.


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Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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A little luck and hitting a great run of form when it mattered in Europe. But they are here by surprise. No one expected them to be near the final and rightfully so. Spurs were in a final recently too and totally against expectations. You won't see this Chelsea here again on a regular basis unless they do a good job building on top of this surprise run.

You build to be a regular contender like Bayern, Real or City not to be the year's surprise underdog.
Chelsea is not the same as Spurs, they are well built. Before they had a coach that hindered them, and now they have one that makes them play to their potential
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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A little luck and hitting a great run of form when it mattered in Europe. But they are here by surprise. No one expected them to be near the final and rightfully so. Spurs were in a final recently too and totally against expectations. You won't see this Chelsea here again on a regular basis unless they do a good job building on top of this surprise run.

You build to be a regular contender like Bayern, Real or City not to be the year's surprise underdog.
Nobody plans to be the underdog but someone usually is..if you mean they are there by chance no not only..to an extent, peaking at the right time and "luck" matter but it's not all by chance if that's even the case. Fact is they are playing well, building to contend starts with direction..and the diff with them and spurs is they made a change and the team really did improve. Making the right decision is all that matters now. Pirlo stays we fall behind 4-5 years.
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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That's not true unless you think Bernardeschi is a starter here. Arthur warmed bench at Barca, he had like 50% of the time on the pitch, if not less. He was a nobody there. Even when he did play he played rather poorly and provided nothing.
for someone who is wrong a lot, you are very confident in the "facts" you post.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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Arthur was a 3rd/4th CM in 2018/19, played 2500 minutes, back then Bentancur had a similar role in Juve. Not set-in stone starter like Pjanic, but not a bench-warmer either.

2019/20 was a throwaway season for him though, with the injuries and the disputes he had with Barca mgmt.
 

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