Not sure why we didn't get him. Maybe he wanted to stay at Atalanta?
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We were shit last year as well. Just because we take 3 points doesn't mean we're playing as well as we should. In fact, there have been numerous matches this season where we took 3pts yet we were simply embarrassing ourselves.
As for Dybala, even when we played he did horribly bad.
Dybala is not the reason why we ended up empty handed. I did not like Sarri and I wanted him really bad to leave. But hiring Pirlo was also a very bad decision. I also believe that postponing that bad decision for another season is a big step towards this team falling a part the same way Milan did once they won CL. Milan is dogshit and they are 2nd at the moment, that alone says much about Serie A state right now. Even one-legged Juve should be expected to win Scudetto, let alone winning it without Dybala.
As for Dybala, even when we played he did horribly bad.
Dybala is not the reason why we ended up empty handed. I did not like Sarri and I wanted him really bad to leave. But hiring Pirlo was also a very bad decision. I also believe that postponing that bad decision for another season is a big step towards this team falling a part the same way Milan did once they won CL. Milan is dogshit and they are 2nd at the moment, that alone says much about Serie A state right now. Even one-legged Juve should be expected to win Scudetto, let alone winning it without Dybala.
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Concede less than last season? Why are you comparing it to the shit sarri year? Why don't you compare it to 2017-18 when we had as much goals conceded as we do now for the entire season?
Or compare it to bundesliga this year, Red bull a MEDIOCRE team has scored/conceded 47-21. Wolfsburg 43/21.
Organization? You yourself on fifa 12 can set up a better team around CR7 with current squad. How fking hard is it to play the simplest form of direct effective football, supply Ronaldo when inter are doing it for a way less athletic, in fact comparing to Ronaldo zero athleticism, way slower, with way less technique and instinct? lukaku who if he plays another 50 years will never touch Ronaldo level? This guy being the GOAT mostly has had to create his own chances. Go watch where/how ronaldo got serviced at madrid vs here..and don't say we don't have the midfield because the shit pirlo is trying, we don't have the midfield for that either.
Dybala is def a loss, without the injury I can't deny the possibility we would be way better off but again it would be because of Dybalas talent more than incorporating pirlos shit ideas.
Lippi on facetime can do more with these players from his retirement home than this winemaker. If CR leaves Pirlo will look way worse, with nobody to answer his prayers.
Or compare it to bundesliga this year, Red bull a MEDIOCRE team has scored/conceded 47-21. Wolfsburg 43/21.
Organization? You yourself on fifa 12 can set up a better team around CR7 with current squad. How fking hard is it to play the simplest form of direct effective football, supply Ronaldo when inter are doing it for a way less athletic, in fact comparing to Ronaldo zero athleticism, way slower, with way less technique and instinct? lukaku who if he plays another 50 years will never touch Ronaldo level? This guy being the GOAT mostly has had to create his own chances. Go watch where/how ronaldo got serviced at madrid vs here..and don't say we don't have the midfield because the shit pirlo is trying, we don't have the midfield for that either.
Dybala is def a loss, without the injury I can't deny the possibility we would be way better off but again it would be because of Dybalas talent more than incorporating pirlos shit ideas.
Lippi on facetime can do more with these players from his retirement home than this winemaker. If CR leaves Pirlo will look way worse, with nobody to answer his prayers.
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I would like to know what Gasp could do TBH, and he has EXPERIENCE.
But my choice if we are to gamble, would be Zidane.
Pirlo must leave IMO, no point in risking so much with him just because he is cool and played here. He is a rookie coach and theres no 2 ways about it.
If we are looking to start a prject, then fine... but find someone with experience who can lead players and try new things.
Selecting someone with 0 experience was a stupid decition from the get go and im not buying this "give him time to express his ideas" because i cant trust a noob.
If he had experience and a solid gameplay before coming here i would understand.... but this blind faith in a total rookie should stop.
Lets get serious and find a prooer coach to guide this misfits.
But my choice if we are to gamble, would be Zidane.
Pirlo must leave IMO, no point in risking so much with him just because he is cool and played here. He is a rookie coach and theres no 2 ways about it.
If we are looking to start a prject, then fine... but find someone with experience who can lead players and try new things.
Selecting someone with 0 experience was a stupid decition from the get go and im not buying this "give him time to express his ideas" because i cant trust a noob.
If he had experience and a solid gameplay before coming here i would understand.... but this blind faith in a total rookie should stop.
Lets get serious and find a prooer coach to guide this misfits.
always nice to see old and familiar faces.His relationship with CR7 has often been strained, deep down they've never got on. A great manager and yes he could give these players a goodkick in the arse, bring some sort of organisation because that's what purple guard are used to, but I feel that bus had gone, players have moved on in general, they have their own ideas and are sensitive and on top it will be a side step. I'm all green for the project, just not sure Pirlo or old man mourinho are the right men.
https://theathletic.com/2462455/202...o-wonder-theres-only-one-team-left-in-europe/
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
Serie A is its own worst enemy. No wonder there’s only one team left in Europe
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
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https://theathletic.com/2462455/202...o-wonder-theres-only-one-team-left-in-europe/
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
Serie A is its own worst enemy. No wonder there’s only one team left in Europe
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
Think the same....unless in those years after retirement he realized how wrong and shit his football was.
About italina coaches, the only one i would accept would be gasperini, since he is the less italian of the italians and knows Juve.
Other wise, Zidane,,,and not because Zidane is the best there ies... but because he has many checks: Knows juve, knows italian, CL winner, intelligent.
So those 2 would be my prime candidates
About italina coaches, the only one i would accept would be gasperini, since he is the less italian of the italians and knows Juve.
Other wise, Zidane,,,and not because Zidane is the best there ies... but because he has many checks: Knows juve, knows italian, CL winner, intelligent.
So those 2 would be my prime candidates
https://theathletic.com/2462455/202...o-wonder-theres-only-one-team-left-in-europe/
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
Serie A is its own worst enemy. No wonder there’s only one team left in Europe
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
The absence of any Serie A teams in the Champions League quarter-finals has reopened the debate about the state of Italian football. Milan’s exit from the Europa League means Roma are the last Italian team standing in Europe.
Arms crossed leaning back on his stool, Fabio Capello reclined in the Sky Italia studio but was not restrained in his opinions. Once again he posited that Italian sides play too slow, lack intensity and too often games in Serie A are broken up by referees who are quick on the whistle and call a foul for even the slightest contact.
Alessandro “Billy” Costacurta argued it was a question of resources. Serie A just isn’t as wealthy as it was in his day and other clubs around the continent are spending better.
The journalist Paolo Condo, meanwhile, highlighted the absence in Italian teams of young cores steeped in the values of the club, which are often what underpin all great sides from Ajax under Rinus Michels and Milan under Sacchi to Barcelona under Pep Guardiola.
But as Leo Tolstoy wrote in Anna Karenina, happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and each Italian side went out for entirely different reasons that aren’t necessarily related to the state of the league. Lazio, for instance, hadn’t been in the Champions League for 13 years and reached the knockout stages, despite extreme and controversial COVID cases, for the first time in two decades. Elimination at the hands of world champions Bayern Munich was to be expected even if the manner of the first-leg defeat was embarrassing.
Italy trail Spain, England and Germany in Europe in recent seasons
As for Atalanta, expectations were high after last season and, to be honest, they didn’t disappoint, recording more points in the group stage than a year ago and winning at Anfield and in Amsterdam. Ideas can trump talent but, as with Lazio, you’re asking a lot of two teams outside of Deloitte’s top 30 richest clubs to overcome two of the wealthiest sides on the continent. Lest we forget, Atalanta’s wage bill is still in the bottom half of Serie A and it’s frankly a miracle they finish in the top four let alone the knockout stages of the Champions League.
As Paolo Maldini pointed out before the tie with Manchester United, the gap in revenue between them and Milan — 30th on Deloitte’s list behind even Sheffield United — is more than €400 million, not that it showed on the pitch as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side only edged through against depleted opponents.
Apart from Porto and Borussia Dortmund, all the teams through to the final eight of the Champions League have higher turnovers than their Italian counterparts unless player trading is included as a revenue stream. The fact Serie A sides are so dependent on the buying and selling of players to make extra cash is indicative of how difficult it is for teams to have the structural stability necessary to be competitive.
For too long whoever was president of the league has chosen to get lost in internal politics rather than commit to the job of growing the business in the way Richard Scudamore did for the Premier League, and Christian Seifert and Javier Tebas have done for the Bundesliga and La Liga respectively. Even today, Serie A can’t agree on anything, whether it’s the next TV rights tender or the sale of a stake in an entertainment company to a private equity consortium for €1.7 billion. The league is its own worst enemy and its inability to reform itself is perhaps one of the reasons why Andrea Agnelli dedicates so much time to Europe instead.
Meanwhile, grounds continue to fall into disrepair and without privately-owned stadia, there’s only so much money that can be ploughed back into teams under Financial Fair Play regulations. This is where Serie A has really been left behind.
While Atalanta and Lazio actually deserve credit for punching above their weight, the same cannot be said of Juventus and Inter, who are judged by a higher standard. An element of that is obviously history and tradition. But there’s also the recent memory of Juventus, 10th in the money league, coming close to the treble in 2015 and 2017 and Inter reaching last year’s Europa League final too.
Neither expect your sympathy and while Juventus won at the Nou Camp in December, it is concerning that favourable draws against Lyon and Porto have not been capitalised on. With regard to Inter, much will be made of Antonio Conte’s record in the Champions League but the advanced metrics tell you they were desperately unlucky this time around and came undone on account of a ridiculous number of missed chances as well as all those times Arturo Vidal and Nicolo Barella gave away penalties against Borussia Monchengladbach and Real Madrid respectively.
What’s odd is that Italian football is beginning to produce top players again. Not the level of the 1980s and 90s generation, sure. But the optimism around Roberto Mancini’s young Italy team is not misplaced. Barella provided one of the moments of the group stage with his volleyed backheel assist against Real Madrid. Gianluigi Donnarumma pulled off one fabulous save after another against Red Star and who was not impressed with Federico Chiesa in both legs of the Porto tie?
“It’s not tactical” was Esteban Cambiasso’s analysis of Serie A’s woes in Europe this year. Conte for instance has won the Premier League and so too has Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini. Ideas applied in Italy work in England and there’s no doubt Serie A remains a fascinating laboratory of new ideas. But overall it has stayed risk-averse, insular and culturally resistant. It’s enough to recall the ferocity of the pushback to the notion of Ralf Rangnick working in Italy a year ago. Aside from Paulo Fonseca, even the foreign coaches are Italian. Ivan Juric and Sinisa Mihajlovic played so long here that the bel paese is home to them and they are products of the system.
With few exceptions, the same sporting directors move from club to club, appoint a coach they’ve worked with in the past and then sign some players they’ve worked with before. It’s musical chairs and up-tempo it ain’t. It’s complacent, set in its ways and seemingly unwilling or unable to welcome change. Cambiasso believes Italy’s recent difficulties are rooted in culture and mentality.
“I think there are limits tied to history,” he argued on Sky Italia. “Winning helps you, it makes you happy, but it can hold you back too. Watching all the leagues and listening to what people say about them because I’ve travelled a bit and know what journalists are writing here and there, we’ve got limits and I say ‘we’ because in Argentina we’ve got more or less the same problems as in Italy because when people tell us to change our response is always: ‘Yeah but we’ve won however many World Cups’. Spain changed because they’d never won before and the changes they made led to Barcelona winning and Spain winning World Cups…”
“If you want to start over you need to forget the victories and focus on what’s to come,” Cambiasso concluded. “The past is the past and you should never disown it. But if you only look back you won’t go forwards.” Only that way will Serie A stop going in reverse.
as horncastle says, italian coaches' ideas seem to work in england, so those ideas mustn't be fundamentally wrong. italian coaches aren't bad at all. also, gasp is doing miracles on a very tight budget, and - this is the reason why i quoted your post - he's not relying on italians at all. (his only regular italian players are his goalies.) depending on the results of this and next seasons, and especially if we lose both scudetti, i'd also entertain the idea of bringing gasp home. he's a proven squad builder, he fired papu like a dog on the first sign of putting himself above the group, he obviously understands what juventus is about, and in case we don't win this and the next league title, bringing someone as characteristic as gasp can't be worse than 2 years of not winning.
overall i wouldn't mind having international coaches. (i would have preferred pochettino before maurice was hired.) since i've been following juventus, deschamps was our only non-italian coach, and since our squad is more international and less italian than ever, we should be more open towards foreign coaches too. but since gasp has non-italian ideas about build-up, speed and pressing, he's one of the very few italian coaches i'd be happy to take, even if it would take him a season or two to fully implement his ideas.
on a sidenote, it's a bit funny when guys in the cl thread are bashing atalanta and gasp for their small club mentality. even if gasp made some errors with his selection, they are the definition of a small club and they played real madrid in the champions league ffs. a couple of months before that, they won at anfield, and that would have NEVER happened without gasperini. so there's that too.
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saving this guy's juve career would be some achievement by pirlo. not sure if i mean it as a compliment though.
We already had a better Gasp in Sarri who played amazing football in Napoli and won Europa. There is nothing that tells me Gasp would do any better than Sarri or Pirlo since both are supposedly rather progressive but they either aren't progressive or they can't change shit.
I'd love to have Zidane here, he'd get the best out of the Goat. The thing is of all those qualities you've mentioned Pirlo's got them too but of course zidanes experienced winning CL as a manager all be it with a WC squad.
What really stands out for me was how he was midpoint in the season his team were doing terrible, and then he pulled the ace out of the hat. Casemiro, the fringe player. That's what I like about zidane is he spent more time focusing on his own squads strength than opposition. Tactically I don't think his great and could be found out but his man management well who could argue with a goat. Even Ronaldo must have felt starstruck around him. The other thing I noticed in the buildup to our CL final with them is he gave his team about 10 days break, told them to go home rest, spend time with family. Screw the 10 day prep we were doing, he just kept it simple, knew his team needed to recover both mentally and physically, and when they came back two training sessions later they were ready. They looked so fresh that day, we on the other hand looked drained.
Finally that half time team talk in Cardiff, I think it's on YouTube somewhere but he really riled his team up, they came out guns blazing to finish the job. Yet another great strength were so badly missing because Pirlo doesn't have the voice, they are both introverts but I just don't think Pirlo has the anger to give them a push. That said maybe he'll grow, let's see.
What really stands out for me was how he was midpoint in the season his team were doing terrible, and then he pulled the ace out of the hat. Casemiro, the fringe player. That's what I like about zidane is he spent more time focusing on his own squads strength than opposition. Tactically I don't think his great and could be found out but his man management well who could argue with a goat. Even Ronaldo must have felt starstruck around him. The other thing I noticed in the buildup to our CL final with them is he gave his team about 10 days break, told them to go home rest, spend time with family. Screw the 10 day prep we were doing, he just kept it simple, knew his team needed to recover both mentally and physically, and when they came back two training sessions later they were ready. They looked so fresh that day, we on the other hand looked drained.
Finally that half time team talk in Cardiff, I think it's on YouTube somewhere but he really riled his team up, they came out guns blazing to finish the job. Yet another great strength were so badly missing because Pirlo doesn't have the voice, they are both introverts but I just don't think Pirlo has the anger to give them a push. That said maybe he'll grow, let's see.
Yep, And Zidane is not a total introvert like Pirlo. When Zidane gets mad, he gets mad and he is not afraid to show it. We all know that.
And yes, my prefrence for him is minly because on top of all you mentioned, he is a born winner, he has the magical touch of a goat...and knows Juve. This would the perfect moment for him to come. I just hope he gets fired from real, but is very unlikely.
And yes, my prefrence for him is minly because on top of all you mentioned, he is a born winner, he has the magical touch of a goat...and knows Juve. This would the perfect moment for him to come. I just hope he gets fired from real, but is very unlikely.
