Pirlo should be sacked before we lose top 4. Atalanta and Roma are in great form.
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All this talk of either being an attacking team or a defensive team is nonsense really. The reality is a successful team needs to be able to be both, against all levels of opponents. The best teams at present such as Bayern and City know when to sit solid and equally know when to go in for the kill.
Right now we are neither a good attacking team or a good defensive team. In recent history we’ve never been the most deadly attack, particularly against Europe’s elite teams but we’ve had a level of solidity in our defence. Tici & Bozo seem to have chased the attacking improvement under Sarri who then completely revolutionised our defence with zonal marking and we completely lost the old strength that we possessed . Good teams need balance and that’s what we need to address. Pirlo to a degree is picking up the pieces but he’s demonstrated 0 improvement in either department
Right now we are neither a good attacking team or a good defensive team. In recent history we’ve never been the most deadly attack, particularly against Europe’s elite teams but we’ve had a level of solidity in our defence. Tici & Bozo seem to have chased the attacking improvement under Sarri who then completely revolutionised our defence with zonal marking and we completely lost the old strength that we possessed . Good teams need balance and that’s what we need to address. Pirlo to a degree is picking up the pieces but he’s demonstrated 0 improvement in either department
I don't think so. Mental toughness and being attacking oriented are not mutually exclusive. Prime Arsenal were one of the more entertaining teams in Europe. Henry's stats were incredible at the time. But as you said, they were more well rounded too with guys like Gilberto, Sol Campbell etc.
The problem is in the recruitment. We recruit too many one dimensional pussyfags who might be good technically but need players around them to babysit them. Someone like Arthur might be good at one skillset but poor at everything else. Or for example, ask Bentancur to be a DM and do the dirty work, he'll do that but if you ask him to pull the strings in midfield, he'll look out of his depth.
What we need are players who are more well rounded. A combination of stamina, technique and adaptability.
Hence it's no surprise to see players like Danilo and Chiesa are flourishing under this 'system'.
Not saying this is the absolute truth though. Ofcourse there are many variables that go into what makes a brilliant team. I'm merely trying to analyze the current situation.
The problem is in the recruitment. We recruit too many one dimensional pussyfags who might be good technically but need players around them to babysit them. Someone like Arthur might be good at one skillset but poor at everything else. Or for example, ask Bentancur to be a DM and do the dirty work, he'll do that but if you ask him to pull the strings in midfield, he'll look out of his depth.
What we need are players who are more well rounded. A combination of stamina, technique and adaptability.
Hence it's no surprise to see players like Danilo and Chiesa are flourishing under this 'system'.
Not saying this is the absolute truth though. Ofcourse there are many variables that go into what makes a brilliant team. I'm merely trying to analyze the current situation.
Yes I agree.
In terms of the midfield, my number 1 problem with these players is just basic football IQ. These players don't think the game like the midfielders of the best clubs. They don't know when to make a challenge and when not to. They don't know where to position themselves under pressure, when to release the ball etc. And they're soft mentally on top of that. At City you have a guy like Fernandinho, the guy is a clone of the coach on the pitch. Then you have De Bruyne beside him. Bayern have the same with Kimmich and others. Who do we have? None.
In attack, Chiesa is a good example of a technical player WITH grinta and character. These players are rare though, but a club of our size should be able to pick up more of these profiles. The recruitment has indeed been piss poor.
In terms of the midfield, my number 1 problem with these players is just basic football IQ. These players don't think the game like the midfielders of the best clubs. They don't know when to make a challenge and when not to. They don't know where to position themselves under pressure, when to release the ball etc. And they're soft mentally on top of that. At City you have a guy like Fernandinho, the guy is a clone of the coach on the pitch. Then you have De Bruyne beside him. Bayern have the same with Kimmich and others. Who do we have? None.
In attack, Chiesa is a good example of a technical player WITH grinta and character. These players are rare though, but a club of our size should be able to pick up more of these profiles. The recruitment has indeed been piss poor.
Unfortunately Sarri turned our defense to shit without improving our attack in the slightest, in fact our attack under Sarri was far more one-dimensional and much worse than our attack was during Allegri’s better seasons.
We used to laugh at Inter and Conte, but fuck it, we are no better at this point. Yes they went out in group stage of CL for 2 straight years, but we also went just one step further. And then we got humiliated by provincial teams like Lyon and Porto.
The saddest thing is that with this guy things will stay the same next year. Without a new coach and new midfield signings I just can't see us do anything in CL, maybe not even in Serie A or Coppa.
Let's not kid ourselves and say next year will be better with this guy.
The saddest thing is that with this guy things will stay the same next year. Without a new coach and new midfield signings I just can't see us do anything in CL, maybe not even in Serie A or Coppa.
Let's not kid ourselves and say next year will be better with this guy.
I watched the game last night again.
I don't know what to say. We should have won the match 5-1 or 6-1 easily. The amount of chances we threw away were mind blowing. Also Referee robbed us 2 penalties.
I just can not comprehend how we didn't win it. It was like Bayern - Chelsea 2012. Its not like we played shit and didn't create anything.
This was not like Bayern away where we sat down, We destroyed them in the second half totally.
It's easy to scapegoat somebody, but The only explanation is We are just cursed when it comes to CL nights.
I don't know what to say. We should have won the match 5-1 or 6-1 easily. The amount of chances we threw away were mind blowing. Also Referee robbed us 2 penalties.
I just can not comprehend how we didn't win it. It was like Bayern - Chelsea 2012. Its not like we played shit and didn't create anything.
This was not like Bayern away where we sat down, We destroyed them in the second half totally.
It's easy to scapegoat somebody, but The only explanation is We are just cursed when it comes to CL nights.
Are you for real? Its a final of course there wont be a goal fest. Being attack minded means being pro-active first and foremost. Except the Chelsea win all the rest were won by the proactive team.
Actually thats the term ive been looking for all these past days: proactive vs reactive. The last time Juve was a proactive team in Europe was Lippi's. Also the last time we won in Europe, Allegri 2015 was also relatively proactive but met an even more proactive team in the final and lost.
Actually thats the term ive been looking for all these past days: proactive vs reactive. The last time Juve was a proactive team in Europe was Lippi's. Also the last time we won in Europe, Allegri 2015 was also relatively proactive but met an even more proactive team in the final and lost.
Nobody said a thing about final being a goal fest. In fact I said it's more defensive approach than attack or even balance. Those numbers I posted doesn't show any one team that won the CL do anything particularly special in attack, just normal matches.
Are YOU for real? You are, NOW that you found the right words.
NOW it makes sense. Proactive vs reactive is a characteristic that can be adjusted per match, that has to do also with intelligence of players and is a good characteristic, that makes sense. it's different to say a team has to be attacking to win a final.
Are YOU for real? You are, NOW that you found the right words.
NOW it makes sense. Proactive vs reactive is a characteristic that can be adjusted per match, that has to do also with intelligence of players and is a good characteristic, that makes sense. it's different to say a team has to be attacking to win a final.
Hasn't done a fucking thing to make this team any better. For one thing i won't blame him is the fact that he got offered for a once in a lifetime job as a completely clueless about how coaching works, but he still took it. Should have done what Xavi does with the Barcelona and actually educating himself about the whole coaching thing and then when he's ready, he let's the board know or maybe their board is more smart to know that he ain't ready yet.