Wonderful to have a coach with the great playing pedigree like Pirlo succeeding at Juve. Whether you rooted for him or not in his playing days, everyone respected his play.
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Giving Dybala the playing time he “wants” is the last thing Pirlo should worry about. Dybala needs to earn it. Basically the entire attack deserves to play before he and Bernie.
agree on the rotating but giving him the playing time he wants seems counterproductive if he doesn’t deserve it by gaining consistency in cameos and occasional starts
agree on the rotating but giving him the playing time he wants seems counterproductive if he doesn’t deserve it by gaining consistency in cameos and occasional starts
Juventus have their own brand of football which set them apart from other top clubs. Many of us became fans because of it. We have offered something unique and Im glad over the last few games we seem to be going back to our roots. Mixture of attacking talent, maintaining defensive shape and organization, building from the back, grit.
That's the whole point. "The entire attack" is not nearly enough to play all these games and we'll be forced to play Dybi. He'll get plenty of minutes whatever side of the starting 11 he is and we can only hope he proves his class.
Which is why I'm not entirely sold on him being the last one to deserve playing time. When he got injured, he was starting to show his class and we'll need him in that form (or better) if we want the scudetto and coppa. And bringing him to that kind of form -while winning- is Pirlo's job. It will be a challenge but we need him to succeed.
With everything Dybala has shown in our colours, it's a completely different story from Berna. Then we can see if we want to sell in the summer. But for now, we need to revive him.
Which is why I'm not entirely sold on him being the last one to deserve playing time. When he got injured, he was starting to show his class and we'll need him in that form (or better) if we want the scudetto and coppa. And bringing him to that kind of form -while winning- is Pirlo's job. It will be a challenge but we need him to succeed.
With everything Dybala has shown in our colours, it's a completely different story from Berna. Then we can see if we want to sell in the summer. But for now, we need to revive him.
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Good to see he is not afraid of admitting and subsequently also learning from his own mistakes, the ship seems to have been steadied for now and the results are coming, all i hope is that this is not just one last dance from the old guard and that we are not only 1-2injuries away from going back to looking confused and tactically outplayed... ofc this season will have been more complicated than any other given the surrounding circumstances and constant question marks regarding player’s availabilit but even so, really can’t say we are not in a good position rn and also the fact we are still very much engaged in all 3 competitions despite being on a roller coaster ride for much of the season can only serve to being actually somewhat optimistic looking forward.
Then again on another positive imho recently we really looked well balanced and with one clear game-plan in mind, which is to win at all costs, and that alone has undoubtedly been a welcomed surprise.
Then again on another positive imho recently we really looked well balanced and with one clear game-plan in mind, which is to win at all costs, and that alone has undoubtedly been a welcomed surprise.
We choked too many finals against lesser teams. Choked a couple winnable finals against two Bundesliga teams, should have beaten Madrid and Milan in 98 and 03 respectively. Realistically should've had 5 or 6 CL titles by now.
The two recent finals we lost to though were against two all time great sides. But because of our choking past, people tend to see those finals as games where we 'choked'. We were quite clearly underdogs in both finals pitted against two of the greatest players to have ever played this game.
Maybe if we played a 'lesser' team (atleast on paper) in a final again, perhaps we won't fail at the final hurdle. Atleast the probability of defeat will be less compared to playing an elite side in the final for example. Even Bayern choked their way in finals before they finally started winning them. (And against inferior sides no less)
The two recent finals we lost to though were against two all time great sides. But because of our choking past, people tend to see those finals as games where we 'choked'. We were quite clearly underdogs in both finals pitted against two of the greatest players to have ever played this game.
Maybe if we played a 'lesser' team (atleast on paper) in a final again, perhaps we won't fail at the final hurdle. Atleast the probability of defeat will be less compared to playing an elite side in the final for example. Even Bayern choked their way in finals before they finally started winning them. (And against inferior sides no less)
Reaching the final is something - I have learned to understand - only Juve fans care about. More luck is involved in just reaching the final than winning it altogether.
We have been lucky so many times to reach the final just to be exposed by the more deserving teams.
You could say about most of the winning CL teams in recent memory that they would have beaten anyone they could have met in that particular year, but rarely for Juve.
The last time I can say this for us is year 2003.
We have been lucky so many times to reach the final just to be exposed by the more deserving teams.
You could say about most of the winning CL teams in recent memory that they would have beaten anyone they could have met in that particular year, but rarely for Juve.
The last time I can say this for us is year 2003.
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You dont just accidentally win 3 ties in modern era, after you progress from groups. Over the two legs if we had been inferior to opposition, we would have been exposed, at one stage. Further more along the way the teams we beat were Real and Barcelona and the latter we quite comfortably trashed in QF in 2017. Then that final game is where things can go either way and luck plays bigger role than in previous stages, due to being a single game and 1 instance can decide the outcome. Thats why I dont like taking crap on finalists, it requires great effort to be there in the first place.
Exactly and I think the most appearant nonsensical move was putting sarri in charge, seems the club lost sight of that brand completely.
Pirlo seems to be getting the jist of it after starting rather poorly in that regard..Still not tight enough at the back for me but much better.
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That is justified I thought that defence was way too lose (still not tight enough) to start and some of those draws could easily have been avoided and should have been wins. Hes doing better though.
Pirlo seems to be getting the jist of it after starting rather poorly in that regard..Still not tight enough at the back for me but much better.
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That is justified I thought that defence was way too lose (still not tight enough) to start and some of those draws could easily have been avoided and should have been wins. Hes doing better though.
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Yeh ill not deny the results are comig and thats good. A bit allegriesque but after dropping points left and right ill not complain about this streak.
When we replace useless bags like khedira and ramsey with top midfielders who can take the ball forward and command, i think we will see something really interest5ing.,, because our defense and attack are more than dependable when we play our cards right
When we replace useless bags like khedira and ramsey with top midfielders who can take the ball forward and command, i think we will see something really interest5ing.,, because our defense and attack are more than dependable when we play our cards right
Those cringey mistakes are called bad defending and caused mostly by bad setup..did you see the fiorentina match? A joke.. Merda Match with the weak ass defence coverage that cross to vidal should never have been made..how many of the draws could have been wins? Atlanta, benevento come to mind that's 4 points there. Comparing Ramagnoli de vrij, kolarov kjae to our line is an insult. Our problem was organisation that is on Pirlo.
These are all the teams who conceded 5 or less goals in the CL.. we haven't met much opposition except a weak imploding Barca team..we have been average at best.
F stats, going by stats chelsea and Bayern is the final.
Bayern 18-5
Chelsea 14-2
city 13-1
Barca 16-5
Juve 14-4
Porto 10-3
Liverpool 10-3
Dortmund 12-5
These are all the teams who conceded 5 or less goals in the CL.. we haven't met much opposition except a weak imploding Barca team..we have been average at best.
F stats, going by stats chelsea and Bayern is the final.
Bayern 18-5
Chelsea 14-2
city 13-1
Barca 16-5
Juve 14-4
Porto 10-3
Liverpool 10-3
Dortmund 12-5
