Andrea Pirlo (78 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

Liverpool won shit for years under Klopp and they kept him. I am 100% sure you and many here would ask for his head the very first season we would fail to win the scudetto.

And how good was Liverpool when they signed him? Good enough to expect the league title right away? Surely not. Again, the difference is he was coming from a great stint at Dortmund where he made a name for himself. The point B81 made stands. He was a coach with clear ideas and system in mind that worked in the past, which was why he got hired by Pool. They more or less knew what they could expect.

Pirlo on the other hand is a complete noob, he offers no guarantee, no nothing. That's why it's silly to compare him/us to other struggling clubs like Bayern or Pool now. Their coaches earned the benefit of doubt, and it's way different trusting a novice coach like Pirlo, who's just a question mark at this point.

 

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[juve123]

Liverpool won shit for years under Klopp and they kept him. I am 100% sure you and many here would ask for his head the very first season we would fail to win the scudetto.

Pirlo has been here for like 5 months, without a pre-season and we still managed to win the CL group, if anything he should be given time because there is no guarantee any other coach would do better because they are not doing in their current teams either. As for impressive resumes, Khedira should be a starter if we go with your logic.

Some people can't see the improvement when we last played Atalanta to this season and with so many new players and all the circumstances with no preseason training or matches

 

[Enron]

Liverpool won shit for years under Klopp and they kept him. I am 100% sure you and many here would ask for his head the very first season we would fail to win the scudetto.

Pirlo has been here for like 5 months, without a pre-season and we still managed to win the CL group, if anything he should be given time because there is no guarantee any other coach would do better because they are not doing in their current teams either. As for impressive resumes, Khedira should be a starter if we go with your logic.

true, but we also showed improvement in his early years, moving up the table and making tournament finals. Don’t forget we made the Europa final in his first season.

 

[j0ker]

And how good was Liverpool when they signed him? Good enough to expect the league title right away? Surely not. Again, the difference is he was coming from a great stint at Dortmund where he made a name for himself. The point B81 made stands. He was a coach with clear ideas and system in mind that worked in the past, which was why he got hired by Pool. They more or less knew what they could expect.

Pirlo on the other hand is a complete noob, he offers no guarantee, no nothing. That's why it's silly to compare him/us to other struggling clubs like Bayern or Pool now. Their coaches earned the benefit of doubt, and it's way different trusting a novice coach like Pirlo, who's just a question mark at this point.

Sack him and appoint one of so many options out there don't say Allegri because we are not getting him.

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true, but we also showed improvement in his early years, moving up the table and making tournament finals. Don’t forget we made the Europa final in his first season.

Of course you improved, because he was given a chance to improve and not asked to resign after 5 months in charge with all ovjectives still in play.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Why the fuck are you expecting him to resign or management to fire him
He is staying till end of season regardless what happens from now till the CL quarters.
After that we are not separating ways.



At this point, i will stick to trust AA on this.

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[Bianconero81]

Liverpool won shit for years under Klopp and they kept him. I am 100% sure you and many here would ask for his head the very first season we would fail to win the scudetto.

Pirlo has been here for like 5 months, without a pre-season and we still managed to win the CL group, if anything he should be given time because there is no guarantee any other coach would do better because they are not doing in their current teams either. As for impressive resumes, Khedira should be a starter if we go with your logic.

Failure is not tolerated at Juventus. Going by your logic, we should wait until another humiliating exit from the CL before we fire our coach.

We should have never hired Pirlo in the first place, just like the appointment of Chain Smoking Turd was a monumental mistake.

A club like Juventus needs a coach with both experience and ideas, a flexible individual with charisma and leadership, not a novice learning on the job.

 

[juve123]

Why the fuck are you expecting him to resign or management to fire him
He is staying till end of season regardless what happens from now till the CL quarters.
After that we are not separating ways.



At this point, i will stick to trust AA on this.

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He is feeling low after watching Dybala performances

 

[j0ker]

Failure is not tolerated at Juventus. Going by your logic, we should wait until another humiliating exit from the CL before we fire our coach.

We should have never hired Pirlo in the first place, just like the appointment of Chain Smoking Turd was a monumental mistake.

A club like Juventus needs a coach with both experience and ideas, a flexible individual with charisma and leadership, not a novice learning on the job.

And why should we fire him right now? Because he is 4 points of the top?

First you defend our snowflake like there's no tomorrow and now you attack Pirlo for no reason at all, or maybe it's related since he is not playing him?

 

[Gigiventus]

We are still a mess defensively, the difference now is De Ligt is just there to bail everyone out...



And sorry but we keep drawing every other decent opponents game because we genuinely have no discernible gameplan or tactic. Any half decent top quality coach wouldnt be drawing this damn much, and giving games away, with this squad they would be flying over the competition. Its naive to pretend the coach isnt the issue. As soon as he faces a settled defence, doesnt know what to do (no wonder we do better in CL, even if 2 of the 3 opponents were amateur level). And keeps giving the momentum away with poor substitutions, wether its too late or not soon enough etc.

Yet to see a game he out coached his counterpart, let alone NOT get outcoached by majority of them so far. Only real adjustment I seen from him was 2nd game vs Barca. But our midfield play is still a mess. Feels like only half ok opponent we beat in league this season is Sampdoria, and that was the first game.

Let's see this, from my perspective with this crazy schedule pretty much every team and half decent top coach is battling through results.

Points loss in league and CL/EL:

Flick: 4 draws 1 loss - 11 points
Pirlo: 6 draws 1 loss - 15 points
Klopp: 5 draws 2 losses - 16 points
Simeone: 5 draws 2 losses - 16 points
Conte: 6 draws 2 losses - 18 points
Pep: 6 draws 2 losses - 18 points
Mourinho: 5 draws 3 losses - 19 points
Koeman: 2 draws 5 losses - 19 points
Tuchel: 1 draw 6 losses: - 20 points
Zidane: 3 draws 5 losses - 21 points

So yeah I don't buy it. Looking outside of Juve this season shows everyone struggling. There is far too much negativity here regarding our results so far given the context we are in.

 

[Enron]

Sack him and appoint one of so many options out there don't say Allegri because we are not getting him.

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Of course you improved, because he was given a chance to improve and not asked to resign after 5 months in charge with all ovjectives still in play.

true, though we improved quite quickly even in the first season.
The point is that the team must be improving. I’d give Pirlo the entire season, obviously. But if the play and results don’t change, then there isn’t much difference between this and last season and no reason to keep him on for another.

that said, I’ve been impressed with his use of my boy Weston and his ability to play youngsters

 

[Bianconero81]

And why should we fire him right now? Because he is 4 points of the top?

First you defend our snowflake like there's no tomorrow and now you attack Pirlo for no reason at all, or maybe it's related since he is not playing him?

Our snowflake, as you so eloquently put it, was carrying us at times last season.

We may be 4 points off the top, but don't delude yourself. We're just fortunate others are shit - it's not testament to our amazing football.

I am not saying we should fire him right now, but if things don't improve before the Porto match, we should consider it.

I should have clarified resigning before February, if results don't improve.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

First you defend our snowflake like there's no tomorrow and now you attack Pirlo for no reason at all, or maybe it's related since he is not playing him?

Right. We fine

Bit cheap to try and bring in B81's Dybala simping. You don't have to be a butthurt fanboy to come out and say we aren't looking all that good under Pirlo.

 

[j0ker]

true, though we improved quite quickly even in the first season.
The point is that the team must be improving. I’d give Pirlo the entire season, obviously. But if the play and results don’t change, then there isn’t much difference between this and last season and no reason to keep him on for another.

that said, I’ve been impressed with his use of my boy Weston and his ability to play youngsters

I totally agree about the end of the season, if by then we don't improve let alone fail to win he should be fired, but people want him to resign right now.

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Right. We fine

Bit cheap to try and bring in B81's Dybala simping. You don't have to be a butthurt fanboy to come out and say we aren't looking all that good under Pirlo.

I never said that we are doing great, I even complained many times in this thread. But he should be given time to prove himself and even if he fails in the end right now he does not warrant a sacking considering the position we are in CL and Serie A.

 

[Karim30]

I can’t really tell if I am still cautiously optimistic or if I am delusional and resorting to wishful thinking, but I feel we have been improving lately and with a little time, luck and maybe January reinforcement(s) we could be looking at the best Juve since Cardiff and that would be thanks to the good mercato we had last season and the bizarre circumstances of this football season which allowed Pirlo to learn on the job without catastrophic consequences.

 

[Elvin]

Not only we have a rookie coach, we have a roockie coach who didn't have a preseason and never had a full squad available since the start.
The results are magical, if you ask me.

 

[DAiDEViL]

He should be given time to prove himself and even if he fails in the end right now he does not warrant a sacking considering the position we are in CL and Serie A.

Agree to disagree.

For me this is going nowhere under Pirlo, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[MikeM]

We allow a learning curve everywhere in life except for football coaches

Even the players get years to settle.

What did we expect when we appointed him? We might as well see it out now. We've already paid for his internship, so to speak. Let's see if it pays off.

 

[DAiDEViL]

We allow a learning curve everywhere in life except for football coaches

Maybe said curve shouldn't start at a top club.

 

[MikeM]

Maybe said curve shouldn't start at a top club.

Well I agree.

But how dumb could Agnelli be? Hey let me appoint this rookie coach and then fire him when he shows that he's a rookie?

Besides, he's not even THAT bad. We'll see how UCL goes.