Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (22 Viewers)

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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If you are aware that said ticket holders use mass ID fraud to get them, and are tied to the Mafia you're probably looking at some sort of organized crime offense.

But afaik the irony here is that it would've been difficult for anyone to find Juve legally guilty of anything if Agnelli hadn't tried to address the situation and met with the Ultra leaders. Because one cornerstone of the accusations is that he met with a Mafia leader.

Still, just wanted to say that the situation of ticket reselling (probably not limited to Juve) is very problematic
. Don't know that much about the details of the Agnelli case, difficult to really get unbiased information since I don't know Italian & especially the intricacies of Italy's legal system enough to make sense of Italian sources.
Why?
 

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Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Because it's based on extortion and supports organized crime?

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The prime responsibility here imo lies with the Italian state though, not with the club.
The obvious solution to the problem is to sell the tickets at their market price. Then there would be no black market. I'm not talking about just Juve, I'm talking about everywhere.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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The obvious solution to the problem is to sell the tickets at their market price. Then there would be no black market. I'm not talking about just Juve, I'm talking about everywhere.
I have no problem with individuals reselling (meaning not as a business model) their tickets, nor with giving tickets to ultras at a lower price to improve atmospheres, but the current situation at Juve and probably many other Italian clubs is fucked up. Read the article I posted for why.

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And I was just talking about that specific situation, where the club is actually being extorted to sell tickets to those groups below market price.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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So we are losing our president for two years and getting fined.

Italy :touched:

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Nb4 our last 6 titles are revoked and given away.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Official: Andrea Agnelli is the new head of the ECA
05 September at 11:35


Now it’s official; Juventus President Andrea Agnelli is the new head of the ECA (European Club Association) and replaces Bayern chief Karl-Heinz Rummenigge at the helm. Agnelli becomes the first Italian to be given the position since the organisations inception in 2008. 220 clubs from 53 federations from UEFA are part of the organisation that helps promote projects from around Europe and was set up to replace the G-14 Group and European Club Forum which were both dissolved in the same year. Agnelli was voted in at the organisation’s Annual General Assembly this morning.

:alen:

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/official-andrea-agnelli-is-the-new-head-of-the-eca-13373
Is he still going to be head of ECA after this ban news?
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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But it's the club who does it, not the country.
They're not really doing it voluntarily really if the ultras are threatening them. Though the club probably should've done more.

But it's imo still the state's job to protect it's citizens (and entities) from that kind of stuff. Not a 1-1 analogy, but you're not gonna blame the guy paying protection money for funding the Mafia are you?
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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They're not really doing it voluntarily really if the ultras are threatening them. Though the club probably should've done more.

But it's imo still the state's job to protect it's citizens (and entities) from that kind of stuff. Not a 1-1 analogy, but you're not gonna blame the guy paying protection money for funding the Mafia are you?
What you're saying sounsd laughable. Ultras threatening a club that's worth billion of euros? Ultras wouldn't be there if it weren't for a club, let alone one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

You don't see that stuff around, rightfully so, all over the Europe. It would seem 'normal' when it comes to smaller clubs but this looks rather pathetic in my books.

So they're like 'give us the tickets or else...' wtf is that? This is not wild wild west. You can suspend their ass from stepping their foot into the stadium. What the fans are doing is a crime if they threat anybody, but club itself holds as much responsibility for bending over and taking it to the ass because a group of fans wanted cheaper tickets to make some money.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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What you're saying sounsd laughable. Ultras threatening a club that's worth billion of euros? Ultras wouldn't be there if it weren't for a club, let alone one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

You don't see that stuff around, rightfully so, all over the Europe. It would seem 'normal' when it comes to smaller clubs but this looks rather pathetic in my books.

So they're like 'give us the tickets or else...' wtf is that? This is not wild wild west. You can suspend their ass from stepping their foot into the stadium. What the fans are doing is a crime if they threat anybody, but club itself holds as much responsibility for bending over and taking it to the ass because a group of fans wanted cheaper tickets to make some money.
Yeah, they should've done more (mostly getting the police involved early on and collaborating with them), but those specific Ultra groups we're talking about (which have emerged rather recently) do have very strong links to the Mafia, they're not just some random fans.
 

Dostoevsky

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Yeah, they should've done more (mostly getting the police involved early on and collaborating with them), but those specific Ultra groups we're talking about (which have emerged rather recently) do have very strong links to the Mafia, they're not just some random fans.
Then it's even a bigger crime. Which means Aneglli's involment is highly questionable because he did that on his own.

I just know one thing. There's no fucking way that Agnelli is a victim here. He doesn't deserve a pat on his back. It's yet another crime involving Juve with the mafia. You don't see it in other teams, eventhough majority of the ultras everywhere is directly linked with the mafia. Even in my country.

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Yeah, they should've done more (mostly getting the police involved early on and collaborating with them), but those specific Ultra groups we're talking about (which have emerged rather recently) do have very strong links to the Mafia, they're not just some random fans.
Then it's even a bigger crime. Which means Aneglli's involment is highly questionable because he did that on his own.

I just know one thing. There's no fucking way that Agnelli is a victim here. He doesn't deserve a pat on his back. It's yet another crime involving Juve with the mafia. You don't see it in other teams, eventhough majority of the ultras everywhere is directly linked with the mafia. Even in my country.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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wtf

this is about AA meeting Juve ''fans'' once or twice during the year and gave them a few tickets more. That's all he can be accused of.

the mafia BS was an invention of the prosecutor Pecoraro. That napolista said there was a phone call that could link Agnelli to some mafia fucker. That call never existed but the papers went with it at the time.
 

Dostoevsky

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wtf

this is about AA meeting Juve ''fans'' once or twice during the year and gave them a few tickets more. That's all he can be accused of.

the mafia BS was an invention of the prosecutor Pecoraro. That napolista said there was a phone call that could link Agnelli to some mafia fucker. That call never existed but the papers went with it at the time.
By fans 'fans' you mean who? Mafia?
 

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