Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (95 Viewers)

[Joe]

Why are people blaming Agnelli, Marotta, the Elkanns, etc.?

Conte left on his own free will, Marotta said they did everything to keep him but he left due to personal reasons.

As of now that's the only real information we have. Its no ones fault really, but Conte couldn't have picked a worse time to leave.

 

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[Hist]

Hiring Allegri has many ramifications.
First, we'll get a lesser coach who is extremely hated and disrespected by all fans in Italy. Our rival fans are celebrating this hiring and all our fans are in melt down. The mocking and the meltdown in itself is not the problem. The pressure that this lesser coach is going to work under, however, is the problem.
Literally everyone ranging from media to juve and rival fans will be following him with a microscope and the man, management and squad will almost certainly suffer significantly from that enormous pressure.
Conte suffered from the pressure of having fans demand more in Europe and it reflected on our performances in europe. The lesser Allegri will have ten times the pressure. Every mistake will be exponentially exaggerated. Every loss will be labelled a crisis. Everyone is waiting for him to fail and it could very well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Allegri and the management are in for an unprecedented shit-storm now. If there was any chance allegri could do well under normal conditions, this chance is now halved to say the least. In short, we have a lesser coach that has to deal with ten times the pressure.

Second, signing allegri carries suspicious implications about our management's intentions. Let me explain why.
Allegri is a puppet. Berlusconi, Barabara and Galliani consistently jerked him around and he never took a single stand against how they tore his AC milan apart. He is spineless in that regard and I doubt he'd ever resign out of his own accord regardless of how far management corners him. He is the perfect scapegoat. Any failures will be made out to be Allegri's and he'll be sacked while any success will be credited to the management.
If either Pogba or Vidal leaves this summer then Allegri is definitely a sucker for having fallen into the same trap twice. I am worried that by Hiring allegri, management thought they could hire a guy they could tear his squad apart before rebuilding again. If thats true then expect one of our two best players to leave, get replaced by the guarins of the world and Allegri to just nod along, do his best and let his reputation suffer even further.

Brace yourself. Winter is definitely coming.

 

[Nardonejuve]

ahh shiittt:facepalm2:

 

[AlexOB]

Hiring Allegri has many ramifications.
First, we'll get a lesser coach who is extremely hated and disrespected by all fans in Italy. Our rival fans are celebrating this hiring and all our fans are in melt down. The mocking and the meltdown in itself is not the problem. The pressure that this lesser coach is going to work under, however, is the problem.
Literally everyone ranging from media to juve and rival fans will be following him with a microscope and the man, management and squad will almost certainly suffer significantly from that enormous pressure.
Conte suffered from the pressure of having fans demand more in Europe and it reflected on our performances in europe. The lesser Allegri will have ten times the pressure. Every mistake will be exponentially exaggerated. Every loss will be labelled a crisis. Everyone is waiting for him to fail and it could very well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Allegri and the management are in for an unprecedented shit-storm now. If there was any chance allegri could do well under normal conditions, this chance is now halved to say the least. In short, we have a lesser coach that has to deal with ten times the pressure.

Second, signing allegri carries suspicious implications about our management's intentions. Let me explain why.
Allegri is a puppet. Berlusconi, Barabara and Galliani consistently jerked him around and he never took a single stand against how they tore his AC milan apart. He is spineless in that regard and I doubt he'd ever resign out of his own accord regardless of how far management corners him. He is the perfect scapegoat. Any failures will be made out to be Allegri's and he'll be sacked while any success will be credited to the management.
If either Pogba or Vidal leaves this summer then Allegri is definitely a sucker for having fallen into the same trap twice. I am worried that by Hiring allegri, management thought they could hire a guy they could tear his squad apart before rebuilding again. If thats true then expect one of our two best players to leave, get replaced by the guarins of the world and Allegri to just nod along, do his best and let his reputation suffer even further.

Brace yourself. Winter is definitely coming.

You must be fun at parties.

I actually think you're wrong and it will be the opposite. Get in your head that no one expects something out of the lines from Allegri, no one. Everybody thinks about Allegri the same things you think about him; lesser coach, puppet, yes man, outdated tactician. An average season wouldn't surprise anyone.

On the other hand, everybody was waiting for us to fall with Conte, even our own fans. Let's not joke now, and not say that Conte's bad attitude in interviews and so on affected everyone. Someone want to deny it? When he left everybody was upset, but let's gravedig what people said in the last two season. Everybody commented this team like if we were gonna retrocede. Try to say this is not fucking true. When we win, we could set any kind of record, wins in a row, unbeatable matches, top of the league and so on, and still you will hear "Only 1-0?" "Only 2-0?" You win 4-0, 4-1 "Nice, but in Europe..." You win the QF of EL "We played like shit, Jesus Christ". And so fucking on. A fucking bunch of bitches, and I'm not talking about this forum (I was not even there some time ago), but everyone.

Last season when we lost against Fiorentina 4-2 was the end of the world, and most people said we would end up 3rd if we were lucky, and tropyless. This team is done, they said. Then, we get out of the CL group dominating every fucking match, but no, it's not bad luck. It's difficult to admit that sometimes, in football, the result does not reflect what you see on the pitch. And the fact that we were playing the decisive match of the CL in a dead pool, without an hotel until midnight, without our fans, tired and so on. I swear, I hope some people was in that fucking Juventus bus at midnight, in the Istanbul street, knowing you have to play 10-12-14 hours later, you don't even know, after that in the previous matches happened everything. But is it the 3-5-2 fault, or is the fault of that fucking dickhead that now everyone misses, or that the team has not players good enough, just the best goalkeeper, the best defenders, the best midfield in Europe, and an attack that I would not define "bad". Heck, even after the 2-2 against Verona there was harsh, harsh criticism.

And now You come here, and write a 10 line post explaining that we had to wait for ALLEGRI, a coach that no one expects nothing from, for "every mistake to be exponentially exaggerated"?

Fuck, dude. You must be fun at parties, the problems is outside of them.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Hiring Allegri has many ramifications.
First, we'll get a lesser coach who is extremely hated and disrespected by all fans in Italy. Our rival fans are celebrating this hiring and all our fans are in melt down. The mocking and the meltdown in itself is not the problem. The pressure that this lesser coach is going to work under, however, is the problem.
Literally everyone ranging from media to juve and rival fans will be following him with a microscope and the man, management and squad will almost certainly suffer significantly from that enormous pressure.
Conte suffered from the pressure of having fans demand more in Europe and it reflected on our performances in europe. The lesser Allegri will have ten times the pressure. Every mistake will be exponentially exaggerated. Every loss will be labelled a crisis. Everyone is waiting for him to fail and it could very well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Allegri and the management are in for an unprecedented shit-storm now. If there was any chance allegri could do well under normal conditions, this chance is now halved to say the least. In short, we have a lesser coach that has to deal with ten times the pressure.

Second, signing allegri carries suspicious implications about our management's intentions. Let me explain why.
Allegri is a puppet. Berlusconi, Barabara and Galliani consistently jerked him around and he never took a single stand against how they tore his AC milan apart. He is spineless in that regard and I doubt he'd ever resign out of his own accord regardless of how far management corners him. He is the perfect scapegoat. Any failures will be made out to be Allegri's and he'll be sacked while any success will be credited to the management.
If either Pogba or Vidal leaves this summer then Allegri is definitely a sucker for having fallen into the same trap twice. I am worried that by Hiring allegri, management thought they could hire a guy they could tear his squad apart before rebuilding again. If thats true then expect one of our two best players to leave, get replaced by the guarins of the world and Allegri to just nod along, do his best and let his reputation suffer even further.

Brace yourself. Winter is definitely coming.

Good post.

 

[Hist]

You must be fun at parties.

I actually think you're wrong and it will be the opposite. Get in your head that no one expects something out of the lines from Allegri, no one. Everybody thinks about Allegri the same things you think about him; lesser coach, puppet, yes man, outdated tactician. An average season wouldn't surprise anyone.

On the other hand, everybody was waiting for us to fall with Conte, even our own fans. Let's not joke now, and not say that Conte's bad attitude in interviews and so on affected everyone. Someone want to deny it? When he left everybody was upset, but let's gravedig what people said in the last two season. Everybody commented this team like if we were gonna retrocede. Try to say this is not $#@!ing true. When we win, we could set any kind of record, wins in a row, unbeatable matches, top of the league and so on, and still you will hear "Only 1-0?" "Only 2-0?" You win 4-0, 4-1 "Nice, but in Europe..." You win the QF of EL "We played like $#@!, Jesus Christ". And so $#@!ing on. A $#@!ing bunch of bitches, and I'm not talking about this forum (I was not even there some time ago), but everyone.

Last season when we lost against Fiorentina 4-2 was the end of the world, and most people said we would end up 3rd if we were lucky, and tropyless. This team is done, they said. Then, we get out of the CL group dominating every $#@!ing match, but no, it's not bad luck. It's difficult to admit that sometimes, in football, the result does not reflect what you see on the pitch. And the fact that we were playing the decisive match of the CL in a dead pool, without an hotel until midnight, without our fans, tired and so on. I swear, I hope some people was in that $#@!ing Juventus bus at midnight, in the Istanbul street, knowing you have to play 10-12-14 hours later, you don't even know, after that in the previous matches happened everything. But is it the 3-5-2 fault, or is the fault of that $#@!ing $#@!head that now everyone misses, or that the team has not players good enough, just the best goalkeeper, the best defenders, the best midfield in Europe, and an attack that I would not define "bad". Heck, even after the 2-2 against Verona there was harsh, harsh criticism.

And now You come here, and write a 10 line post explaining that we had to wait for ALLEGRI, a coach that no one expects nothing from, for "every mistake to be exponentially exaggerated"?

$#@!, dude. You must be fun at parties, the problems is outside of them.

I gotta disagree with you here. If anything your attitude proves my point. You (and everyone else)expect a total collapse and you'll look for signs for it with a microscope and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy probably even if we Allegri miraculously obtains Mourinho's brains. This will add enormous pressure not the other way around.

I would agree that Allegri will work under normal pressure had Conte simply resigned in normal circumstances and had it been a prandelli or a montella but not angry.
The fans are angry at Agnelli for losing Conte (regardless of what really happened behind closed doors), they are angry at the lack of proper signings, they are angry about Alex, they are even angry that Allegri of all people has taken over.... and in that anger they will demand that the management fixes this situation and will probably stand against the team rather than rally around allegri and hope that he delivers. Angry people arent rational.. especially when it comes to football.
Rational people would do what you said they would do which is to expect very little and be satisfied with any non-free-fall performance that the team can deliver. Our fans arent rational and calm-headed. Our fans are always angry and highly demanding and arent the type of fans (like liverpool) who'll just irrationally cheer on the team regardless of failure or success.

I really wish you are right and I am wrong in the reading of people's reactions and how that would affect the team. In your scenario Allegri will have a real chance of doing his best, and he'll be given the patience and the chance to surprise. In my scenario, the anger will create a self fulfilling prophecy and the anger will only increase if either Vidal or Pogba leave. We'll see.

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You must be fun at parties.

I actually think you're wrong and it will be the opposite. Get in your head that no one expects something out of the lines from Allegri, no one. Everybody thinks about Allegri the same things you think about him; lesser coach, puppet, yes man, outdated tactician. An average season wouldn't surprise anyone.

On the other hand, everybody was waiting for us to fall with Conte, even our own fans. Let's not joke now, and not say that Conte's bad attitude in interviews and so on affected everyone. Someone want to deny it? When he left everybody was upset, but let's gravedig what people said in the last two season. Everybody commented this team like if we were gonna retrocede. Try to say this is not $#@!ing true. When we win, we could set any kind of record, wins in a row, unbeatable matches, top of the league and so on, and still you will hear "Only 1-0?" "Only 2-0?" You win 4-0, 4-1 "Nice, but in Europe..." You win the QF of EL "We played like $#@!, Jesus Christ". And so $#@!ing on. A $#@!ing bunch of bitches, and I'm not talking about this forum (I was not even there some time ago), but everyone.

Last season when we lost against Fiorentina 4-2 was the end of the world, and most people said we would end up 3rd if we were lucky, and tropyless. This team is done, they said. Then, we get out of the CL group dominating every $#@!ing match, but no, it's not bad luck. It's difficult to admit that sometimes, in football, the result does not reflect what you see on the pitch. And the fact that we were playing the decisive match of the CL in a dead pool, without an hotel until midnight, without our fans, tired and so on. I swear, I hope some people was in that $#@!ing Juventus bus at midnight, in the Istanbul street, knowing you have to play 10-12-14 hours later, you don't even know, after that in the previous matches happened everything. But is it the 3-5-2 fault, or is the fault of that $#@!ing $#@!head that now everyone misses, or that the team has not players good enough, just the best goalkeeper, the best defenders, the best midfield in Europe, and an attack that I would not define "bad". Heck, even after the 2-2 against Verona there was harsh, harsh criticism.

And now You come here, and write a 10 line post explaining that we had to wait for ALLEGRI, a coach that no one expects nothing from, for "every mistake to be exponentially exaggerated"?

$#@!, dude. You must be fun at parties, the problems is outside of them.

I gotta disagree with you here. If anything your attitude proves my point. You (and everyone else)expect a total collapse and you'll look for signs for it with a microscope and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy probably even if we Allegri miraculously obtains Mourinho's brains. This will add enormous pressure not the other way around.

I would agree that Allegri will work under normal pressure had Conte simply resigned in normal circumstances and had it been a prandelli or a montella but not angry.
The fans are angry at Agnelli for losing Conte (regardless of what really happened behind closed doors), they are angry at the lack of proper signings, they are angry about Alex, they are even angry that Allegri of all people has taken over.... and in that anger they will demand that the management fixes this situation and will probably stand against the team rather than rally around allegri and hope that he delivers. Angry people arent rational.. especially when it comes to football.
Rational people would do what you said they would do which is to expect very little and be satisfied with any non-free-fall performance that the team can deliver. Our fans arent rational and calm-headed. Our fans are always angry and highly demanding and arent the type of fans (like liverpool) who'll just irrationally cheer on the team regardless of failure or success.

I really wish you are right and I am wrong in the reading of people's reactions and how that would affect the team. In your scenario Allegri will have a real chance of doing his best, and he'll be given the patience and the chance to surprise. In my scenario, the anger will create a self fulfilling prophecy and the anger will only increase if either Vidal or Pogba leave. We'll see.

 

[Hydde]

Hiring Allegri has many ramifications.
First, we'll get a lesser coach who is extremely hated and disrespected by all fans in Italy. Our rival fans are celebrating this hiring and all our fans are in melt down. The mocking and the meltdown in itself is not the problem. The pressure that this lesser coach is going to work under, however, is the problem.
Literally everyone ranging from media to juve and rival fans will be following him with a microscope and the man, management and squad will almost certainly suffer significantly from that enormous pressure.
Conte suffered from the pressure of having fans demand more in Europe and it reflected on our performances in europe. The lesser Allegri will have ten times the pressure. Every mistake will be exponentially exaggerated. Every loss will be labelled a crisis. Everyone is waiting for him to fail and it could very well become a self fulfilling prophecy. Allegri and the management are in for an unprecedented $#@!-storm now. If there was any chance allegri could do well under normal conditions, this chance is now halved to say the least. In short, we have a lesser coach that has to deal with ten times the pressure.

Second, signing allegri carries suspicious implications about our management's intentions. Let me explain why.
Allegri is a puppet. Berlusconi, Barabara and Galliani consistently jerked him around and he never took a single stand against how they tore his AC milan apart. He is spineless in that regard and I doubt he'd ever resign out of his own accord regardless of how far management corners him. He is the perfect scapegoat. Any failures will be made out to be Allegri's and he'll be sacked while any success will be credited to the management.
If either Pogba or Vidal leaves this summer then Allegri is definitely a sucker for having fallen into the same trap twice. I am worried that by Hiring allegri, management thought they could hire a guy they could tear his squad apart before rebuilding again. If thats true then expect one of our two best players to leave, get replaced by the guarins of the world and Allegri to just nod along, do his best and let his reputation suffer even further.

Brace yourself. Winter is definitely coming.

Good post.

Definitely the Allegri appointing is a very dangerous gamble...but it seems we were hand tied on this...as no experienced coach was available.

What i think, is that the board looked at him as someone , lets say "more maleable".. to not say a puppet, yet. What i mean?....just look at why the problem with Conte started. uit started because he was winning scudettos but he wanted to compete in the CL with high profile-top notch buys which we would be never able to deliver. The board had diferent ideas..and they instead were aiming for a more steady growth financially before commiting heavy dollars, but Conte had other plans..and when those plans werent fulfilled , he raged and then happened what happened yesterday.

IM pretty sure that with Allegri, things went on this lines : "Listen man...we are not going to spend like madmen because we have a financial aim for next year...we just need you to help us achieve that and serve as a bridge this season...we need you to continue winning and bring us a better run at the CL, and then, if you do good..maybe youll be able to stay. But for now... lets try to find opportunity players that you would like to use. SO please understand this."

 

[.zero]

I've been saying that this for sometime that our management has vastly different plans for the club. It's sad and disgusting.

 

[ZoSo]

I've been saying that this for sometime that our management has vastly different plans for the club. It's sad and disgusting.

First they were talking about Bayern model, now Atletico, i.e. sell your best players

 

[.zero]

I feel like we are trying to be a poor mans Arsenal. Aim to qualify for CL but the difference is that Juve will never spend money on top market players. Trophies are nice but not expected.

 

[Hust]

I've been saying that this for sometime that our management has vastly different plans for the club. It's sad and disgusting.

How long has AA & Marotta been at the helm?

How long did Camoranesi say it would be for the club to reach the levels it was pre-2006?

I really don't understand the hate , here. I really don't. Back to back titles 3 years in a row. A MUCH healthier financial situation than the rest of Italy while their stadiums crumble and fail regulations. A great team that's exciting. A brand new stadium.

I mean, no one here has any experience running a multimillion dollar athletic club do they? Am I missing something here?

 

[.zero]

You're not missing anything at all.

I think we're right where every club aims to be

 

[Vlad]

I've been saying that this for sometime that our management has vastly different plans for the club. It's sad and disgusting.

We won 3 titles in a row, what a hell are you talking about?

They doubled our income, we will get new lucrative sponsors pretty soon, we have our own stadium along with many other infrastructurural projects currently under developement. Yeah, I agree, they suck.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

First they were talking about Bayern model, now Atletico, i.e. sell your best players

Dem models

 

[.zero]

We won 3 titles in a row, what a hell are talking about?

You're right

Management got this figured out

 

[ZoSo]

We won 3 titles in a row, what a hell are talking about?

They doubled our income, we will get new lucrative sponsors pretty soon, we have our own stadium along with many other infrastructurural projects currently under developement. Yeah, I agree, they suck.

Allegri

 

[Vlad]

You're right

Management got this figured out

So far they seem to be competent, but if you expect European succes over night, you got only yourself to blame.

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Allegri

Tell us the alternatives currently available out there?

 

[.zero]

So far they seem to be competent, but if you expect European succes over night, you got only yourself to blame.

When did I ever imply or state that I expect European success? I just alluded to the fact that we are emulating/adopting the Arsenal model.

 

[Vlad]

When did I ever imply or state that I expect European success? I just alluded to the fact that we are emulating/adopting the Arsenal model.

You got this all wrong then, since we win trophies every year, dont sell our best players, invest 60-70m per year into new personnel, etc... What resemblance is there between the two?