Andrea Barzagli (11 Viewers)

[JBF]

One of the most underrated players in the world right now. Such a beast to have at the back.


Sign that contract already, forza Barza!

 

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[Ocelot]

I mostly didn't care for the move, as it was for basically no fee and I originally thought he'd just be a backup. He has blown me away ever since.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/25858-Where-are-the-Barzagli-People-Now

 

[Vlad]

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/25858-Where-are-the-Barzagli-People-Now

Why am I not surprised that Bjerknes opened such a thread.

 

[Linebreak]

Rofl Red called him average at best

I think he can now be legitimately ignored for his tactical analysis posts

 

[Red]

Meh.

Always get some players (defenders, particularly) who suddenly figure things out ages 30-32.

Sometimes it's just from learning the game, sometimes it's about attitude.

Remarkably difficult to see it coming.

But that I don't think i could be foreseen is why I'm not terribly inclined to praise Marotta for signing him - just as I wouldn't be inclined to criticise if a signing didn't work out after everything pointed to it being a good move.

 

[Elvin]

I knew he had potential, but always thought he had a weak mentality. Was totally wrong obviously. He's a born winner.

 

[Juliano13]

Meh.

Always get some players (defenders, particularly) who suddenly figure things out ages 30-32.

Sometimes it's just from learning the game, sometimes it's about attitude.

Remarkably difficult to see it coming.

But that I don't think i could be foreseen is why I'm not terribly inclined to praise Marotta for signing him - just as I wouldn't be inclined to criticise if a signing didn't work out after everything pointed to it being a good move.

Football is not all talent. Its a game that can be learnt to a certain degree. Barzagli always had talent though.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Talent can be learned.

 

[Elvin]

Football is not all talent. Its a game that can be learnt to a certain degree. Barzagli always had talent though.

especially in defense.

 

[Juliano13]

especially in defense.

exactly

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Why am I not surprised that Bjerknes opened such a thread.

So this is why Bjerknes hasn't posted in this thread in almost 3 years.

 

[Vlad]

Talent can be learned.

How?

 

[Red]

10,000 hour rule...

 

[Hængebøffer]

How?

Hard training.

 

[Vlad]

Hard training.

So if I, talentless hack for musical instruments, play guitar till my fingers bleed, let's say every day for 5-6 hours and for the next 20 years, I'll be as good as Hendrix, Page, Santana...

 

[Hængebøffer]

So if I, talentless hack for musical instruments, play guitar till my fingers bleed, let's say every day for 5-6 hours and for the next 20 years, I'll be as good as Hendrix, Page, Santana...

How can a little child be a talentless hack? How do you think people learn to play guitar? They repeat the same over and over and over again. It's all about ruthless repetitive training. Do you also think we're born with creativity?

 

[Vlad]

How can a little child be a talentless hack? How do you think people learn to play guitar? They repeat the same over and over and over again. It's all about ruthless repetitive training. Do you also think we're born with creativity?

Very simple. Those things are noticed since the youngest age; there are people who have talent be it music, painting, sports...and those who simply don't, but can achieve certain level with practice, although never quite reach the level of true excellence in that field. They can put in as many hours as they want, but they'll never reach the level of some with natural gift. I for once liked painting and still do, started very early with practice, sort of a hobby, but I'd never be able to replicate some of the finest works. Yes people are born with creativity and talent. Two sorts of people: ordinary (the most common) and extraordinary.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Sorry, but that's an romantic, and outdated, view.

 

[Vlad]

Sorry, but that's an romantic, and outdated, view.

And the modern view is that you can learn everything with practice, which I'm not debating here, but only a level that one can reach and that is determined by talent.

 

[Ragazza]

Very simple. Those things are noticed since the youngest age; there are people who have talent be it music, painting, sports...and those who simply don't, but can achieve certain level with practice, although never quite reach the level of true excellence in that field. They can put in as many hours as they want, but they'll never reach the level of some with natural gift. I for once liked painting and still do, started very early with practice, sort of a hobby, but I'd never be able to replicate some of the finest works. Yes people are born with creativity and talent. Two sorts of people: ordinary (the most common) and extraordinary.

I tend to agree. While you can certainly get very good at something by learning/practice alone, only people born with a natural predisposition towards something will ever become truly great at it, in the vast majority of cases.