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    It bothers me to read some of the posts on here regarding Molinaro, which suggest that he is acceptable as our left back, for now and the near future. Other than Marchionni, there is nobody in the team who has appeared to me, so regularly inept in their position. I feel strongly that he needs replacing. He has pace, though rarely uses it to his advantage. His tackling isn't great, and he often fouls when a better player would take the ball, or at least, ball and player together in one foul swoop. Also, his mentality is questionable.

    I am always far more concerned with his inclusion in the team than I am by seeing Grygera's name on the list of our starting XI. I guess there is also the fact that we have two other players who can perform at right back, both of whom could prove more solid and a better base for supporting the right winger, than Grygera. Whereas at left back, we have only De Ceglie, who I rate highly as a promising player, but who is clearly second in the pecking order, in Ranieri's mind.

    The defence is by far our weakest area. With only Santo Chiellini providing world class cover on the field. Molinaro, Legro, Grygera, Molinaro, Zebina, Mellberg...Out of that crowd, only Zebina can raise his game up to what I hope for from the defence of one of the finest teams not just in Italy, but the world. His game becomes more than the sum of its parts due to his temperament. There is fire in his belly. And at times, when fit and firing on all cyclinders, he is reminiscent of Torricelli, albeit a far nastier version.

    Molinaro lacks heart, determination, positional awareness and technique.

    Unless De Ceglie, or the hopefully returning Criscito is going to be given the left back role next term, bringing in a new player for that position is as important as the signing of Nedved's replacement. I go back to the first match against chelsea...when Molinaro made Kalou look like a wonderful footballer, which he isn't, even when facing defenders of the lower ranking teams of the Premiership.

    Ideally, if I am assuming Criscitio will return, and transplant his progress and solidity at Genoa, to our backline, we need two new fullbacks. With the most needy of the flanks, the left side...
     

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    Rollie

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    I don't think Molinaro's mentality is questionable... in fact, I think that's probably his biggest strength. He's under skilled for our standards, but I can pretty much guarantee (without ever having seen him train, so clearly I can't fully 'guarantee' anything...hehe...) that he busts his ass constantly in training, and always puts himself at the service of the team. I've always figured that's why Claudio loves him so much. At the moment I can't actually remember ever seeing Moli lacking effort. Plus, with all the criticism he's endured, it takes a good amount of mental strength to always play hard and stay positive.

    So I strongly disagree that the player lacks heart or effort... he just isn't all that naturally gifted. His positional awareness and tactical shortcomings, or rather lack there of, are well documented. I must say that I have been surprised at the improvement he's shown this year, and I think that because we can all agree the man was not gifted great natural ability, his improvement basically has to come down to effort and mentality (and of course, opportunity is important as well).

    Grygera has definitely been worse than Moli this year. Definitely. Last year, there would have been no way in hell I would have said that, but having missed a grand total of 2.5 Juventus games this season, I feel pretty confident that Grygera has been worse - especially since December or so. The number of times Grygera has blown the offside trap, or lost his mark in the box is just disgusting; his mistakes have been very costly ones.

    I agree that the D is our weakest point - which most people knew before the year started - but I think that a top class signing for the RB spot is the priority. Zebina has struggled with fitness for a couple of seasons, and Grygera is terrible. As Weedguru said, De Ceglie is promising (although unproven, I still see him as our future LB... until further notice...haha), and there is an outside shot that we could even slot Criscito into the LB slot if need be.

    I would say that we need a top class CB before a LB; Legro's no spring chicken, and whenever Chiellini goes down, we're extremely vulnerable at that position. I would like to see 2 defenders purchased, and if DC is going to play as a mid, than Criscito definitely has to return from loan as well. Goodbye Knezevic, Andrade (officially), and Grygera. I won't say goodbye Mellberg (because he's not going anywhere, and because he offers emergency cover for a couple positions), but ideally, he wouldn't be one of our top four central defenders either. No pace, and I find him particularly clumsy.

    In terms of picking out an AM or an LM, etc., that's a difficult call to make because our manager has been so inflexible with formations and personnel (specifically, not playing one extremely talented young man consistently, or in a position suitable for his skill set). I'm really just looking forward to seeing more of Seba and Marchisio in the next couple of months, and seeing what kind of formations Ranieri utilizes. I think come early May, we'll know exactly what we need going forward.

    Quite frankly, if I had to pick now, I want someone who could play on both sides of the pitch (because we clearly don't have enough money for two quality defenders, Nedved's replacement, and someone to support Camo... Marco is clearly NOT cutting it); I want David Silva at Juventus.
     
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    Its encouraging to return to a post I made to read such a intelligent, well concocted response. And while I can bring myself, begrudgingly, to concede some ground from my Anti Molinaro position, I do not think that he has a decent mentality. Too many times I have seen him revert to fouls, which on several occasions could, and perhaps should, have got him sent off the field.

    Your reasoning for his constant inclusion may be correct as its widely known that Ranieri prefers grinders to flair merchants. Perhaps I think more highly of Grygera because he is more comfortable going forward, and his crossing, whilst generally piss poor is still of a higher technical level than that of his counterpart on the left.

    The bottom line is that he lacks technique, and is one of the worst left backs guaranteed a starting position which I have ever seen at the club.

    You are spot on with the central defence issue. Without Giorgio we are horribly vulnerable, and while Legro performs well when his beastly sidekick is playing, he is more often than not feckless without him and he is no spring chicken.

    I too, am increasingly keen on Silva. Especially if he would be cheaper than Diego, freeing up funds for hopefully strengthening the defence...Still, the Cassano rumours appear to be more than hot wind. Which must mean that someone in attack is leaving...Iaquinta or Trez I suppose...but spending 15-20m on Cassano, after the purchase of a replacement for Nedved, would not leave much for defensive reinforcements.
     

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    Let me begin by saying that I'm no fan of Molinaro's, and in my mind he's probably the player who looks the most out of place in our starting lineup. It's most worrying because other sub-par players like Marchionni play because our first choice players are out injured, but Molinaro's the best we have in that position.

    It's pretty sad to think that we once had Gianluca Zambrotta as our LB. You can call him a traitor and hate on him as much as you want, but he was a fantastic player for us, and the envy of my friends who otherwise knew nothing about Juve... but I digress.

    Weedguru, (welcome to the forums btw) I don't think Molinaro's tendency to revert to fouling his man is an indication of a poor mentality on his part, but as Rollie mentioned I think it's a case of him having the heart but lacking the technique. I'm sure he wants to be a better defender, but he can't help getting burnt on the flank and having to resort to chopping his man down.

    I can't hate Molinaro too much because he always runs his heart out and gives his best, but the sad truth is that his best just isn't good enough. You're right in saying that Ranieri's the kind of coach who prefers lungbusters to twinkletoes (hence his preference for Nedved over Giovinco, and the only explanation for playing Nocerino so much last season).

    The thing that annoys me most about Molinaro isn't his mentality or sometimes poor defensive ability, but his inability to make a simple short pass to a teammate. When we're launching a counterattack and Molinaro gets the ball, four times out of five he'll either play a horrible bobbling pass that makes it hell for the receiver to control it first time, or if he's having a particularly bad game the pass will be completely misplaced and go out for a throw-in. It's infuriating.

    I'd be pretty happy if we just signed a good LB and a backup CB. Having someone to directly replace Nedved is more of a bonus in my eyes, and it's a little worrying that the men in charge seem to think that spending 20m to replace him is our highest priority. Of course I'd love to sign someone like Silva and give Giovinco a role behind the strikers, but I wouldn't be protesting outside the Olimpico with an angry mob if it didn't happen.
     

    Cronios

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    Very thoughtful posts, from both of you, weed and rollie!
    As Rollie, atm the right course of action would have been to buy at least two quality defenders, rather than two forwards, are board is planning to get...
    We should consider that the one who pays get to decide, regardless if its right or wrong, let alone optimal. Our owners want Cassano, they always wanted him and they will get, no matter our priorities!

    Now, as of who those two defenders should be replaced. It is a more complicated matter than it appears to...

    When i started bashing Molinaro, i have foreseen, that eventually, a time will come, when he will became, less harmful, inevitable, than he was last year. Mostly because we had to endure such an incompetent player in our squad and because of the enormous of match time Moli had, we have now reached that level tolerance.
    This is the best an extremely limited player, like Molinaro can ever offer to this team.
    Molinaro will never be able to become any better than that, no matter how hard he is going to try, sad but true. Some times hard work, is just not enough. Moli was never meant to be a part, of such a good team like Juve, simple as that.
    He will never contribute to our improval as a team from here on,
    he is far too limited for that.
    I did not bash him for his performances this year, despite having his ups and down. This year, his efforts actually have a meaning.
    What saddens me the most, though is, that we were supposed to improve and start building a competitive team! Such a team cannot be built with half witted players, like Moli though, he is a step to the wrong direction. I ve sensed that lack of ambition and lack of vision from behalf on our board, since last year. And that was an extra reason i was a Molinaro hater all along. Because i knew that they wanted him to be a part of our long term plans. I really saw that coming and presented this threat extensively. Our current situation actually reflects that threat.
    I remember arguing with Osman about this many times.
    CR words and faith/favor were particularly aimed at this. It was not a natural cause of things. Molinaro didnt earn his place in our team and long term plans.
    He was forced in!! Thats why i saw him as a threat. Because he will remain, no matter if he is helpful or not. No matter if his promising or not.
    We ought to seek out the most promising and gifted players, to create a competitive team.
    Players that would not only improve their teamwork by the year, but also their very own skills. If we tolerate that kind of weaklings here and there,
    we will never build a competitive first eleven squad. Because players like Molinaro, will never improve enough to reach the highest levels!
    And i ask you here, Molinaro lovers, what exactly are you expecting from Molinaro in the future? What else can he give to our future team? He wont be able to defend or attack any better than that, because he doesnt have the necessary skills to do so. Time will come that we are going to need the full potential of all of our eleven players on the field, to fight against the most competitive teams out there, for titles.
    Every small detail will be essential to make the difference at the highest levels.
    Why would we insist with limited players that would hold us back??
    Because they are cheap, young and Italian...
    CR has clearly demonstrated that he doesnt calculate DC, or any other player for the LB position, no matter how much than Moli they are. He loved Molinaro with a great passion, even when he was consistently, by far, our worst player in the pitch, making of him, our worst starter in our recent history. I dont know if he is having a personal "affair" with him, or its just that Moli's agent pays him a tribute, but as long as we keep CR, Moli will haunt us, because CR actually meant every word he said about him, by the end of last season. Despite Moli being a no way out, we have to accept him as a burden we will have to carry on our back. I can only hope that this wont become a trend and we wont expand it to other positions too. We will have to consider that we will try to develop and compete with the best, carrying this handicap. Think of him as the favorite son of our board...:shifty:

    Then, we should really make up our minds with the roles of some players.
    Esp with DC, Giovinco and Criscito. One of DC or Criscito will be used ad Moli's the great subs. That will happen after we decide if DC is a LM or LB and Criscito is a CB or a LB. Honestly, i dont see Criscito of having the pace of being a LB.
    And the younger that Moli the great DC will most likely serve as his back up.

    Chiellini will be a our first choice CB and Criscito(instead of Knezevic) + Mellberg will be his sub. Mellberg will also help with the RB position. Hopefully Criscito will be proved more reliable.
    Now two of or 4 players are covered by default.
    IMO Legro never had the potential to a starter in a competitive Juve, this year has been inconsistent and we need a quality defender to partner Chiellini, in order to form a much more solid defense and to survive with better chances in the matches, we are going to lack Chiellini. Our board will not approve that though, unless it becomes so painfully obvious, even a monkey could see that.
    Realistically, i dont see us being a new expensive defender, until Legro start making terrible blunders, like Iuliano's last days with us...
    Our board will support Legro's hopes on reaching the NT and his starting place is guaranteed for another year.

    That would only leave the RB position. Again a position we should fix.
    And thats a persistent problem. We should replace Zebina, even before calciopoli.
    Zebina then, like Molinaro now, managed to become a non harmful presence, but with the difference that he was a non harmful presence within a world class defense. This is indeed a respectful task/performance and his loyalty and the fact that he kept earning his salary while we were in serie b, binds us with him.
    Although we know that his development has been hold, so his competitiveness and his fitness status will never be the same again. We ought to forget them, for his services.
    He is far too injury proned to be considered, as a reliable substitute,
    however we will indefintly keep paying tribute to his services, considering Secco's inability to sell him to the EPL team, they were interested on him.
    That would already mean one and a half (Mellberg) salary paid for the RB position, for no good reason.
    And no matter what we do, we wont be able to fix that, at least with this board.
    And then we have Grygera, Grygera was only good right after he lost his tooth,
    since then he has failed to make an impact and has no confirmed that he is almost as limited as Molinaro, but even less consistent...
    Fact is that he has to no real cover in front him, as Marchionni has been by far our worst player this year. But we have seen enough to tell, that he cant be a part of a future competitive team either. Ajax's board was wise to offload him...
    Our board doesnt have the balls to off load him, because that would mean that bringing him at the first place was a mistake. And that would also mean that we should reallocate some of the money meant to fund Cassano's acquisition, for our defense. Thats unlikely to happen, since a defender cannot dribble and if a defender cannot dribble, he cannot create any spectacle. If he cannot create any spectacle, he wont bring any new fans to our new stadium.
    Thats why our board in unlikely to fund the acquisition of a new quality RB.
    We can only hope though, that Eboue, who has played in CR favorite league, can be impressive enough, if he join us for the usual sum we pay for our defenders (0$). Not to mention the fact, that he can as well cover the CB position, in case Criscito sux (again, esp against Totti)

    With this board and coach we have no realistic chances to fix our issues in the defense. For the reason stated above and their views on the matter.
    Unless the Elkann or someone else decisively step in with a large sum and the will to buy big names in our defense, (to create a hype mostly and improve our overall quality in the process) , i expect us to repeat the sames mistakes, once again.
    With our priority, the defense been issued, we can go on spending on Cassano
    and then if we have the time, we will sign an unwanted but relatively known LM to replace Nedved. The sum needed for our forward line, does not allows us to sign both a Neddy and a Marchionni replacement.
    From there we have two options, we either preach BS that we trust Giovinco, despite the fact that CR doesnt and we will use him as our starter LM and DC as his sub (and salih too). Or we will ask from Neddy to stay for one more year, supposedly to chase the CL dream. That would help us to avoid spending any more money on LBs and LMs. Moli+DC Giovinco+Neddy+Salih. So we can spend more money to acquire Cassano. :shifty:
    Otherwise, we would be forced to spend the left overs of our summer transfer budget, after we seal the Cassano deal, on someone like Downing...
    I dont see our boar willing to spend on someone expensive as Diego, i dont see Secco able to get a target like Silva, when more teams chase him and his attention is diverted elsewhere (Cassano)
    I expect us to spend 25mil on Cassano, bring back Criscito and another defender for free, or almost free. Bring one more youngster like Ekdall to add depth and impress the fans, that our boards has a plan for the future.
    And then spend a fee around 15mil on Neddy's replacement, not because of our tactical needs, but because the fans would want someone to believe in, when he retires. If Neddy doesnt retires, expect to our boards puppet to say crap, that he supposedly trust our youth and that this year we are building a new stadium and we cant spend that much. We already brought a great champion (Cassano)
    And our fans should show patience and faith to our five decade plan...
     
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    I agree with Rollie that our defense needs improvement more than our midfield. Although I would like to like to touch on our left back situation I think we are doing okay on that department and need to focus on the right back and centre of defense area.

    At most I think Grygera as our first team defender is a decent right back (a solid one but not a great one) and just isn't the same breed as the likes of toricelli, thuram or zambrotta have been in the past. I'd like to see Juve go for the likes of Santacroce or De Silvestri for our future right back ( too bad we missed out on Motta because I like what he is doing at Roma - he has the potential of becoming a good right back).

    In the centre of defense, I think it is safe to say that Legro is already at his prime and not going to be any better. To improve our defence, we need someone who is younger and have the same characteristic to partner Chiellini. By that I mean one who is tactically alert and can lead and keep the backline tight. There is not many defenders available at the moment with such characteristic although recently there's rumour that Mexes could be available. I think he is a good option although I would prefer an Italian given Juve proud history of having great italian defender leading their backline. So our option would be Santacroce, Mexes and Zapata.

    So for defense, I hope Juve can buy Santacroce and De Silvestri who can both play as full back and in the centre of defense. Although my fantasy player would be Sergio Ramos (haha!) (IN: Santacroce, De Silvestri , Criscito Out: Kzenevic, Zebina).

    Once we sort out our defense we can then focus on improving our midfield and I think we should be focus on exploiting Giovinco's talent.

    People has been saying that Gio is the next delpiero or nedved. But he is neither IMO. Gio's sytle of play actually reminds more of the great Roberto Baggio and he is never going to be a WINGER ! (I hate Ranieri for that !). He is not going to have a stamina like Nedved who can run up and down the field as he likes, and as delpiero is prob going to stick around for a couple more years, Ranieri would need to alter the formation to incorporate his style.

    Given the current range of midfielders that we have, we actually have a perfect condition to exploit Gio's talent. We have the likes of Sissoko, Marchisio, Zanetti, Camoranesi, Tiago, Poulsen All of these high stamina players who certainly can cover for the lack of grounds that Gio left exposed (with the exception of Camo, I think they would be more comfortable covering defense than opening up space to attack). We can actually emulate what Milan or Juve was doing few years back by having Gattuso / davids (sissoko/poulsen), Pirlo / deschamps (marchisio / zanetti) and Seedorf / conte (camoranesi) as their defensive midfield to cover space and give Kaka / Zidane freedom to attack. The question would be what would happen when Gio got injured. That's why I think Juve should focus on buying a creative midfield rather than a winger (which has always been rare and expensive player to have) to avoid having to change the formation each times Gio isn’t available. We need a type of player who can slice the defense by dribbling right through it or hv vision to open up defence. At the moment, I can only identify Camo as that type of players within the team. That's why I like to think Gourcuff, Rakitic, or Modric as a suprise package to have (they should be good for first team but would not demand a starting spot) or the likes of Cassano, Diego or Silva provided they come in a reasonable price but there’s this potential of having frictions within the team as they already are big name players and would definitely demand a starting spot.

    So my preference would be Gourcuff, Rakitic, or Modric to cover Gio’s role in the team.
    IN: Gourcuff, Rakitic or Modric Out: Almiron, Marchionni,

    That way by having a good full back and playmaker in the midfield, we can have more varieties in our attacking department i.e. by the flanks or through the middle, and not worry about exposing our defense as we have already the midfielders to keep things at balance. I think this is the most viable way to go for the future and would definitely improve the quality within our team.
     

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    I don't really think Molinaro lacks mentality.In fact,I'd have to agree with Rollie and say it's one of his biggest strenghts.The only thing he really lacks is more talent and he won't get it.By saying that I think we should find someone else to play on that position because he's not good enough...BUT,he has improved a lot over the 1 and a half year.He can do some decent job in defense but he's pretty bad going up front and he's making too many stupid mistakes as short passes like gray already mentioned.Still,I think Grygera is much worse than Molinaro this season.Pretty often we look like we're playing without a RB and when he gets the ball he makes some big mistake.Oh and whats even more sad is that there's Marchionni infront of him. :pumpkin:

    We do need some good CB.Chiellini is the only one who deserves first team spot next season and we look pretty disorganized in defense when he's not playing.The thing is that we're looking to buy someone instead of Nedved and that will dry our budget.I don't really think we should rush but wait and see Giovinco's progress.He can be the one,I still have the faith in him.So if he keeps playing like this I don't see any reason to buy some AML.Yet again if we do buy somebody that might be the end of Giovinco because I don't see him getting any role that way.

    I think there are some better options out there.Like playing 4-3-3 , 4-3-1-2 or even 4-3-2-1.

    We have 5 midfielders and we should use them which can't be the case with 4-4-2.They got their chance this year but only because of some injuries and imagine having 5 (ok even 4 without Zanetti) fit and really to play.

    By playing 4-3-1-2 we'd avoid spending ~25mln euros so our defense would look much stronger and we'd get much more than with Silva's purchase.Sticking to 4-4-2 would mean buying some AMR because Marchionni is pretty awful and we can't really count on Camo looking at his injuries.

    Cassano would be interesting.Yet again I wouldn't buy him if the only way is through Giovinco.He'd give us creativity and if he's really mature now that would be one of the best transfers in Europe,I bet.Having Del Piero tired just imagine

    ---Amauri/Trez

    Giovinco-Cassano

    Maybe there's a way to keep playing 4-4-2 with Giovinco on the left but that way we'd need to buy some LB...someone really good who can cover whole side because that way Gio would cut in more often so he'd leave space behind and we all know Molinaro wouldn't be able to do it.But

    ------Del Piero-Amauri

    ----------Giovinco

    ---Marchisio-Tiago-Sissoko

    Maxwell-Chiellini-Ivanovic-Eboue

    ------------Buffon

    I don't see this any worse than buying Silva to be honest.I know it's not so smart to change 3 players in the back line but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take much for them to start playing on their highest level.We'd have much stronger bench with Criscito etc.
     

    Jasp

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    I simply cannot agree on the defense bashing. Admittedly, every time I look at the starting four, I get a little nervous. But, as I wrote earlier, try to look at the results this season. Does any of you really think that defense has been the worst part of the team this season? I really do not think that is the case. We have not conceeded many goals, and defense certainly cannot be blamed for the chelsea exit(and even Molinaro played well in that game).

    (Fortunately) Juve is a club of limited ressources, which should be taken into account in our transfer strategy, and this is the reason why defense does not have first priority, because they are capable of having a decent season next year. We can take Criscito back pretty cheap, and then the defensive squad is pretty wide, albeit lacking som 5 year term quality, but that might be resolved by Criscito and De Ceglie, or we can look to improve it the next season.

    I really think that Juve does not create enough chances, and this has cost us some points. That is why we lack creative depth in the squad. We have steel, we have youngster and we might have the new Italian star for the next 10 years.
    I agree with Rollie, what we need is someone who can play in both sides as an offensive midfielder - and here Silva and Modric would be ideal. The true romantic would still wake up at night thinking they just signed Ribery -- BUT...

    If you look at all other possibilities, I just dont think the outcome will improve the results next sesason. Spending 10-15 € on defender, first of all our already decent performing (not shiny) defense would be a little better, but the worst part is we would only have 10-15 € to spend on a midfielder, well.. let me just say nobody wants another Poulsen do they?

    Remember last season, I always hate when people say it, but people were arguing that Juve could have been in the scudetto run, had camo not been injured in the spring. The truth or not, Camo has been injury prone, the last two seasons, and it would be very optimistic to think it would not be the same next year. Furthermore we have to realize that he might be dropping in performance due to age. It might not be next year but still.

    Take Camo out the equation, then we have Sissoko, Zanetti, Poulsen, Marchisio, Tiago, Giovinco, Marchionni - this has one the best CM coverage in the world, but the worst winger coverage ever. The CM can cope with injury, and they can be shifted around depending on how defensive/offensive CR want to play. But without creativity and depth in wingers, we will be saying again and again: Well if not for injuries we could have done better. Well, I say you pretty much have to calculate with one injured winger at all times.


    That is why we need one if not two wingers. Two would free up the left for giovinco and you could trade on attacker and play with him behind DP and whoever plays. 3 attackes could do, if Giovinco sub as an attacker if they get too many injuries. But he cannot do that if he is needed at the LW.


    As for the mentioned prospects I just want argue why we should not sign Cassano.

    1) He is not a team player, I do not want Cassano for the same reason i did not want Gallas. It Juve first, Juve second. Then your kids, then your wife and the you. They do not understand that.

    2) His spell at RM was horrible, i dont think he copes very well with big clubs and stars.

    3) Coming from 2), it is just too big a gamble.

    4) He likes Inter.

    With respect to the Attackers, I dont think much could or should happen. They might get rid of one to bring in another, well dont think it goin to change much. I think ill support a swap for some youth, shoud the aquired player be the right one. Ill have to think of that as the issues come up.
     
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    does Ivanovic still remember how to kicking a ball? because I haven't seen him for a long time.I wouldn't take him unless he is free agent.

    as for our requirements

    Silva to replace Camoranesi, Giovinco to replace Nedved,Hamsik or Aquilani(hasn't renewed his contract yet) to replace Tiago and a replacement for right back position.There isn't so many alternatives for that position.Eboue would be good but he choose to stay at Arsenal.Rafinha can offer good support for attack but his defensive ability is suspect.

    4-3-2-1

    ?---Legro---Chiellini---Criscito/Molinaro

    Marchisio---Sissoko---Hamsik/Aquilani

    Silva/Camoranesi---Giovinco/Del Piero

    Amauri/Trezeguet
     
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    One of the main reasons why we haven't conceded many goals this term is because we play often with two dogs of war in central midfield and rely on the wingers for creativity. This is changing, just a little, with Marchisio's more regular inclusion in the starting XI, because although he is without doubt a fierce ball winner, his passing range and ability on the ball is encouraging for our forward players. He also likes to shoot, and can shoot...Despite the clear improvement in Tiago's game, I am yet to see a match in which he stands out. And the way things stand, I would much rather see Marchisio partnering Momo, who will always start when fit.

    The biggest failing of our team this season has been the persistent failure of Ranieri to change the formation when our only two quality wingers are injured. Without Camo and Nedved, 4-4-2 is near pointless, although De Ceglie has looked fairly useful on the left when he has player there. To be successful in a 4-4-2, a team needs quality wingers AND solid support from behind them. Neither Grygera or Molinaro can supply that solidity. Also, those two wingers have not been the force they once were. the czech fury plays his heart out, and will die for the cause every second of every game, but he has lost all important pace. As for Camo, its hard to judge him as I don't recall a period this season of more than four games in a row when he has been fit.

    Our relative success has been as much down to wretched seasons by our nearest challengers in Serie A other than Inter. I find it hard to understand why Milan persevere with Ancelotti, but it suits us presently.

    It was only our heart and spirit which enabled us to hold our own against Chelsea, and although we were a tad unlucky, with the sending off in the second leg, injuries and both Drogba's goal in the first leg and Essien's in the second, Chelsea are a better team, player for player.

    The problems are crystal clear. Aging injury prone wingers with weak substitutes taking their place when they are unavailable. Weak fullbacks. I could include Legro in there, but he is at least solid, when paired with Chiellini.

    The only reason I can see for grabbing Cassano is that he is part of the board's plans, and they are unwilling to let him go to another bug club and risk losing him. Its more likely that he was earmarked for the summer after next, to replace the then dying DP.

    We need fullbacks, new wingers and a central defender. Criscito could well take Legro's place, which leaves just the wingers, left in particular with Nedved's planned retirement and fullbacks. We surely have the funds to fix these issues...

    The biggest annoyance is Giovinco. As many others have said, we have the power and ruggedness in midfield to play a creative talent behind the strikers. Our team is literally crying out for his regular inclusion in the starting XI. And as someone wrote above, I agree, he reminds me of Baggio, though weaker and faster. He is a diamond in the rough which can only be brought close to the light, polished and allowed to shine as brightly as his talent suggests it can, if he is made a vital part of the team. Another season with this damn 4-4-2, and appearances only on the flank, is not what he, or the team needs. Yes, he can prove ultra dangerous on the wing, but he can be an unmanageable menace in the middle. We have strikers who like the ball to feet, yet we play a crossing game...that suits Amauri, Trezeguet and Iaquint, but all of those three and DP would score more goals had we a man behind them, playing the ball to feet...

    With the youngsters coming through, a year or two more from DP, more than that from Santo Buffon, we have the making of a special team. Whether we become that or not, is down to the management.

    My question is this: Is Silva exclusively a left winger**** where else can he play*** and if he does come, and also Cassano comes, what happens to Giovinco***
     
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    My question is this: Is Silva exclusively a left winger**** where else can he play*** and if he does come, and also Cassano comes, what happens to Giovinco***
    There is no way those 4(Del Piero,Giovinco,Silva,Cassano) in same team.we will buy just one attacking player.Silva can play as left winger and amc.imo he can cover right flank too.as i said in previous post, Giovinco to replace Nedved, Silva replace Camoranesi.We will have one of most effective teams in the world.
     

    RAMI-N

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    There is no way those 4(Del Piero,Giovinco,Silva,Cassano) in same team.we will buy just one attacking player.Silva can play as left winger and amc.imo he can cover right flank too.as i said in previous post, Giovinco to replace Nedved, Silva replace Camoranesi.We will have one of most effective teams in the world.
    I am not sure about Silva playing as RM, but he can co-exist with Alex and Gio in a 4-3-1-2 formation...
     

    Jasp

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    Mar 19, 2009
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    We need fullbacks, new wingers and a central defender. Criscito could well take Legro's place, which leaves just the wingers, left in particular with Nedved's planned retirement and fullbacks. We surely have the funds to fix these issues...
    We agree completely on the problems, I just disagree that we have the funds to buy five world class players. Therefore i argue that we focus on the winger, since we have a capable defense AND we also have a lot of stealth in CM next year.

    I say two signings this summer on the winger/OM and lets see what happens with the D.
    Maybe an Agger like situaition could come up again. How the hell havent any of the big clubs snatched him yet, i just can comprhend.

    I am almost afraid to mention it, but forget about having gio behind the attackers as long we have CR. 442 forever:shifty:
     

    Salvo

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    "We will look for a champion to replace Nedved, in so much as that is possible," he said. "Naturally we'll take care with investments, but we'll make the money available for a big signing.

    "That's our primary aim but it's possible we'll do more. We don't intend to sell any of the champions we have."

    Cobolli Gigli
    ROME (Reuters)

    not sure if it has been posted.
     
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