Analysis of Summer Transfer requirements (12 Viewers)

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Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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Not being consistent, means that he is at least over-valued, if not over-rated...
However, he might still serve our cause efficiently, if we need him as a creative spark for a 4-3-3, behind the SS-ed Giovinco and alongside Sissoko and Marchisio/Poulsen.

If we insist on a 4-4-2 and a winger who can defend constantly, we should better look other-way...
 
Mar 30, 2006
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Hamsik showed what he's made of this season. A player who only shows up in bursts. I'd pass on him to be honest.
I think that at 21 what he has shown is very good and promising of even better things to come. He has a nose for goal and that is something we really need in our midfield. If we can fit him into a 3 man mid with Momo and Marchisio I think he would be a great signing for the years to come. As he matures his influence will surely grow but as of now he is already a good mid with a great goal scoring record.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Hamsik showed what he's made of this season. A player who only shows up in bursts. I'd pass on him to be honest.
So why is it this season that he has shown what he's made of, and it's not last season?
Even when he's underperforming, tends to disappear, and plays way too inconsistently, he still managed to score (as a midfielder) 9 goals and he has some 4-5 assists.... with 10 rounds to go.

The only good reply to your logic though would be if i tell you that Clichy showed what he's made of this season. A mistake-prone awful defender that offers absolutely nothing in attack and that was humiliated by the wingers and attackers way too often.
 
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So why is it this season that he has shown what he's made of, and it's not last season?
Even when he's underperforming, tends to disappear, and plays way too inconsistently, he still managed to score (as a midfielder) 9 goals and he has some 4-5 assists.... with 10 rounds to go.

The only good reply to your logic though would be if i tell you that Clichy showed what he's made of this season. A mistake-prone awful defender that offers absolutely nothing in attack and that was humiliated by the wingers and attackers way too often.
I think that is too harsh. He just said he thought Hamsik faded out of matches but i think that has more to do with Napoli's bad form that Hamsik himself. You and I both agree that Hamsik is quality with his goals (especialy when you ocnsider his age) and I am sure Fred does too.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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I think that is too harsh. He just said he thought Hamsik faded out of matches but i think that has more to do with Napoli's bad form that Hamsik himself. You and I both agree that Hamsik is quality with his goals (especialy when you ocnsider his age) and I am sure Fred does too.
It's not harsh. It's from some past discussion and the logic is the same.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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it also has a lot to do with how Napoli play away from home...when they play away from the garbage pile, they become....well, garbage
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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So why is it this season that he has shown what he's made of, and it's not last season?
Even when he's underperforming, tends to disappear, and plays way too inconsistently, he still managed to score (as a midfielder) 9 goals and he has some 4-5 assists.... with 10 rounds to go.

The only good reply to your logic though would be if i tell you that Clichy showed what he's made of this season. A mistake-prone awful defender that offers absolutely nothing in attack and that was humiliated by the wingers and attackers way too often.
Because Clichy has show his potential long long ago. His ability was there for everybody to see in our unbeaten season and the season after it, when Cole got injured. He had a lengthy injury in the 2005-2006 season which caused his development to stagnate a bit. But as soon as Cole left and Clichy became a starter (2006-2007) he started performing at a very high level, last season he was great too. So basically we are talking about a player that has played great in two seasons as a starter and that has filled in well for Cole in 2 years as a sub. This season is a one off, its obvious his problem is a confidence one rather than an ability one.

Hamsik on the other hand gave one good season till now. This season he's been erratic and hasn't influenced games as much as he should. Hamsik has proven nothing until this moment other than that he has potential. Clichy is already a proven fullback.
 

Jasp

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Mar 19, 2009
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Hey Guys.. Im new here. please be nice.

Hamsik is goos, but we dont need anymore DMs. As with the defense, I dont see the problem. If you look at it, then we have only conceeden 22 goals, 1 more than inter and second fewest in the leagues. And that is considering Buffon away, and not much consistency in CB due to injuries (LEggro in the beginning).

Some of the points we have lost is due to personal mistakes, especially mellebrg against fiorentina in the first match. I think there are a couple of others that I cant remember.

The problem is that we cant score. DPs Free kicks got us through at tough spell, put together a team that scores 10 more goal, at this point in the seson and were ahead of inter. Id say spend on Attacking midfielders, maybe try some trades with treze or iaquinta to get a younger attacker.

Modric would be good, as he is not confined to be a left winger, but 20M might be too much for him. Ribery is not going to happen.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Hey Guys.. Im new here. please be nice.

Hamsik is goos, but we dont need anymore DMs. As with the defense, I dont see the problem. If you look at it, then we have only conceeden 22 goals, 1 more than inter and second fewest in the leagues. And that is considering Buffon away, and not much consistency in CB due to injuries (LEggro in the beginning).

Some of the points we have lost is due to personal mistakes, especially mellebrg against fiorentina in the first match. I think there are a couple of others that I cant remember.

The problem is that we cant score. DPs Free kicks got us through at tough spell, put together a team that scores 10 more goal, at this point in the seson and were ahead of inter. Id say spend on Attacking midfielders, maybe try some trades with treze or iaquinta to get a younger attacker.

Modric would be good, as he is not confined to be a left winger, but 20M might be too much for him. Ribery is not going to happen.
How do you expect us to be nice if you start by saying that Hamsik is goos?
 

Guardian

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Dec 28, 2005
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I bet my ass that Hamsik is a fan of the punk rock. He's damn good and I'll take him over Tiago any day of the week and any second of a minute.

Eboue is shit though. I don't want him.
 

neurosis21

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Jun 22, 2004
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for some reason i dont really see our management buying a midfield,except a nedved replacement maybe.
we have been investing a bit in young players(not that hamsik is not young) but young and cheap players like edkal and iago falque etc so i think they ll let them develop
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Because Clichy has show his potential long long ago. His ability was there for everybody to see in our unbeaten season and the season after it, when Cole got injured. He had a lengthy injury in the 2005-2006 season which caused his development to stagnate a bit. But as soon as Cole left and Clichy became a starter (2006-2007) he started performing at a very high level, last season he was great too. So basically we are talking about a player that has played great in two seasons as a starter and that has filled in well for Cole in 2 years as a sub. This season is a one off, its obvious his problem is a confidence one rather than an ability one.

Hamsik on the other hand gave one good season till now. This season he's been erratic and hasn't influenced games as much as he should. Hamsik has proven nothing until this moment other than that he has potential. Clichy is already a proven fullback.
Even if i accept your explanation about Clichy, which i don't because i know only about one great season (last season), you still didn't tell me why do you think that exactly this season shows what is Hamsik made of?
And by this season i take it that you mean the period from December-March when Hamsik did underperform and disappeared for long periods of the match. He was an all-rounder, present everywhere on the pitch last season and in the first three months of this season, but you ignore that and you take the last 4 months as the ultimate proof of his abilities.
 

Jasp

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Mar 19, 2009
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Welcome Jasp,you will soon realise nice is a rare quality on the forum.Good luck.:D
TY Been reading for while so I know of the great people in her e...


Hamsik might not be that DM, but he is certainly not OM, which is what we need. We have enough fighters, and I havent given up on Poulsen yet - if people would just remember that he is a DM, and can not be compared to buying alonso, which people do all the time. But then again im danish



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Offensive midfielder, that is all they have to focus on. Camo may very well be in and out all of next season. The giovinco will really have to step up, which may or may not happen.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Hamsik would be useful, but I don't see him better than Marchisio, I see Marchisio ahead of him, and it also depends what position he's welling/can play other than DM.

But I would like us to focus more on finding some replacements such as Nedved's position if he's still going to retire(that also depends if Gio doesn't want to play in that position) and also on finding another striker if Trezeguet decides to leave.


Hamsik ATM is not an emergency line that we should take. Once we cover all holes, I wouldn't mind having him.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Hamsik and Marchisio are uncomparable Rab. Completely different kind of players.
I don't see them completely different TBH. Maybe not the same kind of players but there isn't huge difference between. Both of them have almost the same roles in the team, except that Hamsik has more offensive role looking at the formation Reja was using and playing.

Btw, Marchisio can also play in more than 1 position, which is an advantage.
 
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