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No Goff for us then.
Please get Jack!
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Please get Jack!
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http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-b...l-outsiders-calls-jared-goff-best-qb-prospect
this is interesting
Gotta wonder how many more 7-9 years Jeff Fisher just bought himself and the Rams?
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IIRC, still not as much as the Skins gave up in '12 draft to move up by less in the 1st round for RG-ME.
I like Wentz and I like him better than Goff. Wetnz is a riskier pick than the likes of Winston and Mariota of last year - less raw talent - but for me he also has a higher ceiling due to his "intangibles". Wentz has a chance, in the right environment, to develop into a Brady-like signal caller ... neither Winston nor Mariotta possess that ceiling, imo.
Problem is this - who in their right mind would call the Jeff Fisher-coached Rams "the right environment" to develop an all-pro QB?
Whichever the QB the Rams just went up to get at #1, Wentz or Goff, his goose is already cooked imo.
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IIRC, still not as much as the Skins gave up in '12 draft to move up by less in the 1st round for RG-ME.
I like Wentz and I like him better than Goff. Wetnz is a riskier pick than the likes of Winston and Mariota of last year - less raw talent - but for me he also has a higher ceiling due to his "intangibles". Wentz has a chance, in the right environment, to develop into a Brady-like signal caller ... neither Winston nor Mariotta possess that ceiling, imo.
Problem is this - who in their right mind would call the Jeff Fisher-coached Rams "the right environment" to develop an all-pro QB?
Whichever the QB the Rams just went up to get at #1, Wentz or Goff, his goose is already cooked imo.
Intangibles? Such as what, dominating 1-AA? This kid played nobody in college. I just don't see how he has a higher ceiling than either Mariota or Winston, and I wasn't jumping over the moon for either one of them last year, but they certainly brought more to the table in the overall package than Carson Wentz.
This is a bad bad trade for St. Louis. At least with the RG III trade we were talking about a heisman trophy winner that provided all the physical and intangible qualities that you could have hoped for. Shanahan ruined the kid by playing him when he was clearly injured.
There is no Quarterback in this draft that was worth that much to move up for. This is a weak class, when there is very little that differentiates a Carson Wentz from a Connor Cook.
I bet Tennessee thought they were dreaming when they got that trade offer.
I would have flown to San Francisco and kicked Baalke and York in the balls if the 49ers made that trade with the Titans
I am not sure you know what "intangibles" means, Serge 
Who Wentz went up against or not is what you can measure and see, that's exactly the opposite of "intangibles". RG3 had all the measurables and hype, like any Heisman Trophy winner, but not the intangibles - RG3 was a flashy, fashionable pick that usually losing franchises would make.
Wentz is just the opposite - there is nothing obvious about him, nothing flashy, hence why he's a prospect rooted in intangibles.
If Rams believe he (or Goff) is their QB of the future, there is nothing wrong with paying the price they did - yes, it's a hefty price-tag but you either take that risk or you stay stuck in mediocrity for a while. Now, going up to #1 to just draft a Qb for the sake of drafting a QB because there is noise in the media about him, now that would be stupid.
Where I'd have doubts is in Rams ability to actually correctly evaluate who the right QB for them is and just as importantly, how to develop him over the next 3 years.
I agree this draft class is a week one - but we again come back to the meaning of "intangibles" - when it comes to QBs, it's not always obvious where the next gem at the position would come from. How many "experts do you think had Brady pegged as an all-time great 16 years ago? Same with Montana back in decades past - greatness at the QB position is the hardest to evaluate as it has nothing to do with athleticism or Heisman trophies or arm-strength or even pristine accuracy.
P.S. Shannahan didn't ruin RG3's career. Yes, it was stupid of him to play him then but RG3 never had the mental make-up (ability to read the game, etc, etc) of a pocket passer. Running the ball and putting himself in danger was the only way he knew how to play the game that is, it was only a matter of time before he got his ass pasted. The reason why he even had as much success as he did in 12 was because defenses and DCs thruout the league were still getting used/studying his tendencies - that success was always going to be short-lived once he was no more a novelty int eh league.
Something similar happened to Kapernick - he can win games by running the ball but the moment they tried to constrain him to being a pocket passer, he got exposed. Letting him run the ball lead to some short-term success but it was never something the team (or the player) could have sustained in the long run.
Who Wentz went up against or not is what you can measure and see, that's exactly the opposite of "intangibles". RG3 had all the measurables and hype, like any Heisman Trophy winner, but not the intangibles - RG3 was a flashy, fashionable pick that usually losing franchises would make.
Wentz is just the opposite - there is nothing obvious about him, nothing flashy, hence why he's a prospect rooted in intangibles.
If Rams believe he (or Goff) is their QB of the future, there is nothing wrong with paying the price they did - yes, it's a hefty price-tag but you either take that risk or you stay stuck in mediocrity for a while. Now, going up to #1 to just draft a Qb for the sake of drafting a QB because there is noise in the media about him, now that would be stupid.
Where I'd have doubts is in Rams ability to actually correctly evaluate who the right QB for them is and just as importantly, how to develop him over the next 3 years.
I agree this draft class is a week one - but we again come back to the meaning of "intangibles" - when it comes to QBs, it's not always obvious where the next gem at the position would come from. How many "experts do you think had Brady pegged as an all-time great 16 years ago? Same with Montana back in decades past - greatness at the QB position is the hardest to evaluate as it has nothing to do with athleticism or Heisman trophies or arm-strength or even pristine accuracy.
P.S. Shannahan didn't ruin RG3's career. Yes, it was stupid of him to play him then but RG3 never had the mental make-up (ability to read the game, etc, etc) of a pocket passer. Running the ball and putting himself in danger was the only way he knew how to play the game that is, it was only a matter of time before he got his ass pasted. The reason why he even had as much success as he did in 12 was because defenses and DCs thruout the league were still getting used/studying his tendencies - that success was always going to be short-lived once he was no more a novelty int eh league.
Something similar happened to Kapernick - he can win games by running the ball but the moment they tried to constrain him to being a pocket passer, he got exposed. Letting him run the ball lead to some short-term success but it was never something the team (or the player) could have sustained in the long run.
I am not sure you know what "intangibles" means, Serge
Who Wentz went up against or not is what you can measure and see, that's exactly the opposite of "intangibles". RG3 had all the measurables and hype, like any Heisman Trophy winner, but not the intangibles - RG3 was a flashy, fashionable pick that usually losing franchises would make.
Wentz is just the opposite - there is nothing obvious about him, nothing flashy, hence why he's a prospect rooted in intangibles.
If Rams believe he (or Goff) is their QB of the future, there is nothing wrong with paying the price they did - yes, it's a hefty price-tag but you either take that risk or you stay stuck in mediocrity for a while. Now, going up to #1 to just draft a Qb for the sake of drafting a QB because there is noise in the media about him, now that would be stupid.
Where I'd have doubts is in Rams ability to actually correctly evaluate who the right QB for them is and just as importantly, how to develop him over the next 3 years.
I agree this draft class is a week one - but we again come back to the meaning of "intangibles" - when it comes to QBs, it's not always obvious where the next gem at the position would come from. How many "experts do you think had Brady pegged as an all-time great 16 years ago? Same with Montana back in decades past - greatness at the QB position is the hardest to evaluate as it has nothing to do with athleticism or Heisman trophies or arm-strength or even pristine accuracy.
P.S. Shannahan didn't ruin RG3's career. Yes, it was stupid of him to play him then but RG3 never had the mental make-up (ability to read the game, etc, etc) of a pocket passer. Running the ball and putting himself in danger was the only way he knew how to play the game that is, it was only a matter of time before he got his ass pasted. The reason why he even had as much success as he did in 12 was because defenses and DCs thruout the league were still getting used/studying his tendencies - that success was always going to be short-lived once he was no more a novelty int eh league.
Something similar happened to Kapernick - he can win games by running the ball but the moment they tried to constrain him to being a pocket passer, he got exposed. Letting him run the ball lead to some short-term success but it was never something the team (or the player) could have sustained in the long run.
Who Wentz went up against or not is what you can measure and see, that's exactly the opposite of "intangibles". RG3 had all the measurables and hype, like any Heisman Trophy winner, but not the intangibles - RG3 was a flashy, fashionable pick that usually losing franchises would make.
Wentz is just the opposite - there is nothing obvious about him, nothing flashy, hence why he's a prospect rooted in intangibles.
If Rams believe he (or Goff) is their QB of the future, there is nothing wrong with paying the price they did - yes, it's a hefty price-tag but you either take that risk or you stay stuck in mediocrity for a while. Now, going up to #1 to just draft a Qb for the sake of drafting a QB because there is noise in the media about him, now that would be stupid.
Where I'd have doubts is in Rams ability to actually correctly evaluate who the right QB for them is and just as importantly, how to develop him over the next 3 years.
I agree this draft class is a week one - but we again come back to the meaning of "intangibles" - when it comes to QBs, it's not always obvious where the next gem at the position would come from. How many "experts do you think had Brady pegged as an all-time great 16 years ago? Same with Montana back in decades past - greatness at the QB position is the hardest to evaluate as it has nothing to do with athleticism or Heisman trophies or arm-strength or even pristine accuracy.
P.S. Shannahan didn't ruin RG3's career. Yes, it was stupid of him to play him then but RG3 never had the mental make-up (ability to read the game, etc, etc) of a pocket passer. Running the ball and putting himself in danger was the only way he knew how to play the game that is, it was only a matter of time before he got his ass pasted. The reason why he even had as much success as he did in 12 was because defenses and DCs thruout the league were still getting used/studying his tendencies - that success was always going to be short-lived once he was no more a novelty int eh league.
Something similar happened to Kapernick - he can win games by running the ball but the moment they tried to constrain him to being a pocket passer, he got exposed. Letting him run the ball lead to some short-term success but it was never something the team (or the player) could have sustained in the long run.
How can you even measure a QB's intangibles when he has been on the most dominating team in the equivalent of the minor leagues? What adversity could he possibly face?
And yes, Shanahan ruined his career, especially when they found out he lied when he said that he was given the all-clear from James Andrews on his knee. That was the beginning of the end.
Kaepernick, by comparison, is just stupid
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But hey, if the LA rams want to mortgage their future on a 1-AA quarterback with the 1st overall pick, be my guest. They are, after all, in the same division as the 49ers.
So many potentially good QBs get screwed by being drafted into shit teams in chaotic situations. Very few of those top QB picks actually turn out, because they just aren't given the time to settle in, learn the system, get accustomed to the athleticism and speed found in the nfl, etc.
Wentz is making a jump from FCS to the NFL. He shouldn't be brought in to be a day 1 starter, or even a year 1 or 2 starter. He should likely be drafted by a team with an aging veteran QB and slowly handed the reigns over a couple years... Same deal with Goff, who looks very raw..
Connor Cook is probably the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, but also has the lowest ceiling, so not really worth betting the farm on.
Getting drafted later into a more settled team, where the pressure isn't entirely on the QB is the best thing that can happen to a QB. The teams drafting in the top 5 are for the most part disasters. It takes a special kind of QB to develop in that kind of situation (Both Mannings, Elway, Newton are a few examples). Being drafted after number 10 at least means you have a good chance of ending up on a team with some semblance of order and direction.
Wentz is making a jump from FCS to the NFL. He shouldn't be brought in to be a day 1 starter, or even a year 1 or 2 starter. He should likely be drafted by a team with an aging veteran QB and slowly handed the reigns over a couple years... Same deal with Goff, who looks very raw..
Connor Cook is probably the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, but also has the lowest ceiling, so not really worth betting the farm on.
Getting drafted later into a more settled team, where the pressure isn't entirely on the QB is the best thing that can happen to a QB. The teams drafting in the top 5 are for the most part disasters. It takes a special kind of QB to develop in that kind of situation (Both Mannings, Elway, Newton are a few examples). Being drafted after number 10 at least means you have a good chance of ending up on a team with some semblance of order and direction.