Luck has regressed mentally - he no longer seems to trust his instinct and that is hurting his decision-making even more. Also, he tends to look for that big play leading to him holding onto the ball for too long, resulting in him being sacked or making a desperate throw under duress.
This being said, I doubt he is fully healthy but he does put a zip on that ball, so his shoulder is not as bad as you may expect.
Example - see Brees' ball and lack of power and spiral in his throw when he injured his shoulder vs Tampa earlier in this season. Luck's situation doesn't seem anywhere near as bad. Again, doubt he is at 100% but imo he's suffering his lack of trust in his reads/instincts and the subsequent forcing of a throw a lot more than any ramifications of his shoulder injury.
This being said, even in all previous years Luck's been a turnover machine. With each subsequent year, they put more and more on his table - this is the natural process of a QB's development as he gets to use more and more of the playbook with each new year (usually, under ideal circumstances, it would take 3 full years before a QB is just let out there on his own with the full play-book at his disposal e.g. Rodgers under Favre). This is Luck's 4th year now, so it's not completely illogical to suggest that maybe he's reached a point where they are asking him to bite a bit more than he can chew resulting in an actual regression of his play ... contrary to what one would expect i.e. the longer he plays in th NFL, the better he becomes.
I know about the lack of OL and RB-help excuses but those work only if you were to compare say Wilson and Luck, not in general. Brady, Rodgers have had subpar OLines, lacked running game or elite Ds quite often over the years but they still figure out a way around it.
Also, look at Hasselbeck earlier this year - same OL-ine, same supporting cast, yet no boneheaded ints/turnovers and virtually sack free thru 2 full games.
Those knuckleheads in the Indy front office are certainly not helping Luck's development but at the same time one has to wonder if he hasn't hit a brick wall in his progress towards becoming an elite NFL QB due to his own limitations.
This being said, I doubt he is fully healthy but he does put a zip on that ball, so his shoulder is not as bad as you may expect.
Example - see Brees' ball and lack of power and spiral in his throw when he injured his shoulder vs Tampa earlier in this season. Luck's situation doesn't seem anywhere near as bad. Again, doubt he is at 100% but imo he's suffering his lack of trust in his reads/instincts and the subsequent forcing of a throw a lot more than any ramifications of his shoulder injury.
This being said, even in all previous years Luck's been a turnover machine. With each subsequent year, they put more and more on his table - this is the natural process of a QB's development as he gets to use more and more of the playbook with each new year (usually, under ideal circumstances, it would take 3 full years before a QB is just let out there on his own with the full play-book at his disposal e.g. Rodgers under Favre). This is Luck's 4th year now, so it's not completely illogical to suggest that maybe he's reached a point where they are asking him to bite a bit more than he can chew resulting in an actual regression of his play ... contrary to what one would expect i.e. the longer he plays in th NFL, the better he becomes.
I know about the lack of OL and RB-help excuses but those work only if you were to compare say Wilson and Luck, not in general. Brady, Rodgers have had subpar OLines, lacked running game or elite Ds quite often over the years but they still figure out a way around it.
Also, look at Hasselbeck earlier this year - same OL-ine, same supporting cast, yet no boneheaded ints/turnovers and virtually sack free thru 2 full games.
Those knuckleheads in the Indy front office are certainly not helping Luck's development but at the same time one has to wonder if he hasn't hit a brick wall in his progress towards becoming an elite NFL QB due to his own limitations.
Mental regression is hard to gauge, especially when he's only played 2 healthy games this season. He certainly came into this season focused on limiting his turnovers, it was the feature of every offseason interview I saw with him, and maybe between that and all of the MVP talk, he developed a bit of a mind fuck slump early on -- and then he got hurt.
Not sure that a bruised rotator cuff is worse than a subluxation. Brees arm is definitely not as strong as Luck's at this point, in general, but I don't know about the rest of that TB scenario because I didn't watch that game, or see much of the Saints early on.
I don't agree with Luck putting his typical zip on the ball, though. He's the QB of my fantasy team, I've been watching Indy play more than my own team, and his passes are definitely sailing more than usual; he's not driving the ball the same.
You could say that maybe he's not trusting his instincts or reads enough right now, that definitely seems true, but it's probably for multiple reasons -- including carrying an injury, which does create some doubt. You're right, he's holding the ball too long, and trying to make every play a big play, but I don't think it's all on him.
The point I feel is more important, is that Luck and his OC need to be more judicious/conservative in their decision making/play calling, and settling for/calling more underneath and intermediate routes, so that he can get the ball out quicker, not force as much downfield, not take the big hits. Pep made those specific adjustments in his play calling for Hasselbeck (more quick timing routes, shorter plays in general), because he obviously doesn't have the arm strength at age 40 -- which is a big part of why the ball was getting out quicker, and he didn't end up getting hit as much as Luck has been. He also made better decisions than Luck has shown, but decision making isn't the backup's weakness at this point. Arm talent is.
As for the OL and RB excuses I was talking about, of course those are factors that can significantly impact the performance of a younger QB who's breaking into the league (first 2-3 years) -- and Luck played quite well despite those excuses, given the total situation in Indy. Rodgers wasn't playing during those years, so not much of a comparable to be made, just different. This year, Luck actually has decent RBs... although his OLine still blows
Anyway, I really doubt that he's going to endure a sustained, legitimate regression because they've giving him more responsibilities. He's a very bright dude, and that seems quite a premature assessment. I think it's much more likely he's in a slump, he's been hurt, and now he's feeling the pressure because things haven't gone smoothly. He'll bounce back, IMO, the question is whether or not it happens this season.
