ßüякε;2530593 said:
You forgot Washingotn and Wash State...
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Those schools haven't been players in the Pac 10 since 1998.
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It happens everywhere but not everyone gets "busted"
Take Tressel and his dirt program. Everyone and their mother knows that OSU hasn't been clean since the Steve Bellisari days yet for some reason OSU is never investigated or bad mouthed even when Clarett ran his mouth with allegations.
Big schools like Miami, OU, Bama get caught and for the most part get fucked hard.
I feel your pain, Big Serge
Don't hate, appreciate
The Big12 is dead. The moment Nebraska jumped ship signaled the end. Now its a matter of where UT and OU go.
But for all intent and purposes accept that there is no more Big 12
Take Tressel and his dirt program. Everyone and their mother knows that OSU hasn't been clean since the Steve Bellisari days yet for some reason OSU is never investigated or bad mouthed even when Clarett ran his mouth with allegations.
Big schools like Miami, OU, Bama get caught and for the most part get fucked hard.
I feel your pain, Big Serge
Don't hate, appreciate
The Big12 is dead. The moment Nebraska jumped ship signaled the end. Now its a matter of where UT and OU go.
But for all intent and purposes accept that there is no more Big 12
Dru, here is the big difference.
What Oklahoma, Miami, and Alabama did were major major recruiting violations. Those violations allowed those schools to gain an unfair competitive advantage, and to be quite honest, those teams got off with far less punishment than what USC got punished for, and USC did far less.
There was NO recruiting violations reported.
There was NO competitive advantage being gained.
There was NO evidence of cheating. None. Nada. Nothing.
There were no boosters or alumni being involved, passing off money and illegal benefits. It was all with someone who was going to be that asshole's agent.
This is all about an individual's greed, and the assumption that USC should have known something about it.
This was a fucking witch hunt, is what it was. They wanted to make an example of USC, and that is exactly what happened. All this over stuff that happened 5 YEARS AGO.
What Oklahoma, Miami, and Alabama did were major major recruiting violations. Those violations allowed those schools to gain an unfair competitive advantage, and to be quite honest, those teams got off with far less punishment than what USC got punished for, and USC did far less.
There was NO recruiting violations reported.
There was NO competitive advantage being gained.
There was NO evidence of cheating. None. Nada. Nothing.
There were no boosters or alumni being involved, passing off money and illegal benefits. It was all with someone who was going to be that asshole's agent.
This is all about an individual's greed, and the assumption that USC should have known something about it.
This was a fucking witch hunt, is what it was. They wanted to make an example of USC, and that is exactly what happened. All this over stuff that happened 5 YEARS AGO.
Under what grounds, or precedent, does USC deserve to get a far harsher penalty than what Alabama, Miami, and Oklahoma received, when those three teams did far worse, and got less sanctions?
And how exactly did they cheat? This had NOTHING to do with anything on the field, or on the recruiting trail. Nothing. They did not gain a competitive advantage from this. This was about a jackass of a football player showing an inordinate amount of greed with someone (who by the way is now injail) that was setting up to be his agent. All this while happening in San Diego. Yes, that's right. San Diego. Not exactly on the USC campus, now is it.
What about Notre Dame, who had a booster embezzle 1.4 million dollars from her company to shower Notre Dame players with gifts, AND perform sexual favors, and all they get was the loss of one scholarship for 2 years. ONE FUCKING SCHOLARSHIP. And that was for something that DID NOT happen 5 years after the fact.
On what grounds? Or are you just letting your bias come through again?
Let me tell you something. If this happened to Penn State, or West Virginia, and these penalties were laid out for them considering the nature of the crime, I would be pissed off at the NCAA for trying to "make an example" out of them.
And how exactly did they cheat? This had NOTHING to do with anything on the field, or on the recruiting trail. Nothing. They did not gain a competitive advantage from this. This was about a jackass of a football player showing an inordinate amount of greed with someone (who by the way is now injail) that was setting up to be his agent. All this while happening in San Diego. Yes, that's right. San Diego. Not exactly on the USC campus, now is it.
What about Notre Dame, who had a booster embezzle 1.4 million dollars from her company to shower Notre Dame players with gifts, AND perform sexual favors, and all they get was the loss of one scholarship for 2 years. ONE FUCKING SCHOLARSHIP. And that was for something that DID NOT happen 5 years after the fact.
On what grounds? Or are you just letting your bias come through again?
Let me tell you something. If this happened to Penn State, or West Virginia, and these penalties were laid out for them considering the nature of the crime, I would be pissed off at the NCAA for trying to "make an example" out of them.
You're forgetting that USC would be classified as a repeat violator. The other violation occurred in 2001 and the Reggie Bush stuff happened prior to 2006, so that would fall under the 5-year rule.
Sure, the other schools might have gotten it easy. But that happens. Happened to Juventus as well.
And if I'm not mistaken, the basketball program is also involved, specifically with Mayo. So you've got a lot of questionable stuff going on at that school. Perhaps this will be a lesson for them and other offenders.
Florida should be given the same sentence, no doubt about that.
Sure, the other schools might have gotten it easy. But that happens. Happened to Juventus as well.
And if I'm not mistaken, the basketball program is also involved, specifically with Mayo. So you've got a lot of questionable stuff going on at that school. Perhaps this will be a lesson for them and other offenders.
Florida should be given the same sentence, no doubt about that.
Andy, I wtill think that they did this to make an example out of them. There have been previous "repeat violators" before, and the penalties weren't as severe as this.
The only one that comes to mind was SMU in the 80's but quite frankly, that was more than deserving, especially considering that the university itself created a slush fund in order to pay all of their players. This was happening on campus, and not only did everyone know about it, but the higher ups were the ones that created it in the first place.
I'm not sitting here syaing that USC shouldn't be punished.
They should be, they should have had more safeguards in place to protect against this kind of thing. But NO school has these safeguards in place. None of them do. So you're a penalizing a school for not having a safeguard against this inplace, when there are no difinitive measures handed down by the NCAA on how to do so.
In other words, the university should not only be responsible for a players actions on the football field, in the classroom, and their time on campus, but they should ALSO be responsible for anything that the palyer does within a 300 mile radius of the campus, and they should also keep an eye on the parents of those athletes as well.
A 1 year ban, 4 years probation and 15 scholarships should have been the penalty. Instead, the NCAA, who is never pro-active about anything, has decided to, in order to seem like they are the tough guys, decide to go way overboard on the penalties.
And you can't compare this to Juventus. What juventus was accused of was actually interfering in the outcome of matches, thereby gaining a distinct competitive advantage.
The only one that comes to mind was SMU in the 80's but quite frankly, that was more than deserving, especially considering that the university itself created a slush fund in order to pay all of their players. This was happening on campus, and not only did everyone know about it, but the higher ups were the ones that created it in the first place.
I'm not sitting here syaing that USC shouldn't be punished.
They should be, they should have had more safeguards in place to protect against this kind of thing. But NO school has these safeguards in place. None of them do. So you're a penalizing a school for not having a safeguard against this inplace, when there are no difinitive measures handed down by the NCAA on how to do so.
In other words, the university should not only be responsible for a players actions on the football field, in the classroom, and their time on campus, but they should ALSO be responsible for anything that the palyer does within a 300 mile radius of the campus, and they should also keep an eye on the parents of those athletes as well.
A 1 year ban, 4 years probation and 15 scholarships should have been the penalty. Instead, the NCAA, who is never pro-active about anything, has decided to, in order to seem like they are the tough guys, decide to go way overboard on the penalties.
And you can't compare this to Juventus. What juventus was accused of was actually interfering in the outcome of matches, thereby gaining a distinct competitive advantage.
