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Later to two postseasons and countless scholarships....

Time to glory hunt somewhere else.

 

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[KB824]

Later to two postseasons and countless scholarships....

Time to glory hunt somewhere else.

I don't think so. That's not how I operate. Nice try, though

 

[.zero]

Serge, whats your take on Pac10 expansion and absorption of the Big12 South?

 

[.zero]

CU is the first to commit to Pac-10, UT, A&M and others to follow

Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

The exodus west by half of the Big 12 has started.

Colorado was the first to make it official. The Buffaloes won't be the last.


Colorado is the first to commit to the Pac-10, but the Buffs won't be the last.
"This is an historic moment for the Conference, as the Pac-10 is poised for tremendous growth," Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said in a statement. "The University of Colorado is a great fit for the Conference both academically and athletically and we are incredibly excited to welcome Colorado to the Pac-10."

"On behalf of The University of Colorado students, faculty, alumni and fans, we are proud to accept this invitation from the Pac-10 and join the most prestigious academic and athletic conference in the nation," said Philip P. DiStefano, chancellor of CU-Boulder.

"The University of Colorado is a perfect match - academically and athletically - with the Pac-10," said University of Colorado President Bruce D. Benson. "Our achievements and aspirations match those of the universities in the conference and we look forward to a productive relationship."

A formal press conference was scheduled for Friday at Folsom Field in Boulder, Colo.

Sources tell Orangebloods.com, the Pac-16 conference would commence in 2012.


TEXAS, TEXAS A&M MEET

Also on Thursday, Texas and Texas A&M were meeting alone together in the morning, according to sources, before also having a meeting in the afternoon with Texas Tech and Baylor officials.

If Texas and Texas A&M are on the same page in their meeting about going to the Pac-10, then the second meeting - with Texas Tech and Baylor - could be the courtesy notifation to BU officials that the other Texas schools in the Big 12 South are moving on.

Sources close to Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech told Orangebloods.com throughout the last week that if Nebraska moved on to the Big Ten, the Big 12 was dead.

And that's what Texas president Bill Powers and Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told UT coaches in a meeting Wednesday afternoon.

If Texas and Texas A&M emerge from Thursday's meeting united, there could be announcements almost immediately that Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are heading west.


PAC-16 TO GET 2 BCS BIDS?

In a related development, sources close to the Pac-10/Big 12 merger say the new, 16-team super conference could push for two BCS bids with the Big 12 dissolving and losing theirs.

In that case, you could have a BCS bid for the Western Division winner among USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.

As well as a BCS bid for the Eastern Division winner among Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

That will be met with resistance from the other BCS conferences as they try to expand and could lead to the formula of each division winner in one of the newly formed super conferences receiving a bid into an 8-team playoff.

There will need to be some representation of the non-BCS schools or legal wrangling and government hearings will overwhelm the process.

But as Orangebloods.com laid out over the weekend, there are athletic directors involved in this whole process who see this coming.


DOOR CLOSING ON BAYLOR

Baylor officials were hoping beyond hope that some 11th-hour change would happen to either save the Big 12 or allow them to get on the train out west.

But one Baylor official told Orangebloods.com, "It's probably 90 percent sure the other Texas schools are gone, but we have to hold onto that 10 percent that something could change."

Orangebloods.com was the first to report Wednesday that Baylor, which has strong ties to the Baptist church, was being met with some resistance in the Pac-10, namely Cal-Berkeley, because of its religious affiliation.

Baylor loyalists, in their argument against Colorado being invited, have pointed out that Colorado's academic and athletic performance lately hasn't been anything the Pac-10 should embrace.

In an announcement Wednesday by the NCAA, Colorado was the only school in the BCS to have scholarship reductions in football for poor Academic Progress Rates. And CU was one of two schools in the BCS to have scholarship reductions in basketball.

There's talk that some Pac-10 schools are down on Colorado's academics and overall sports programs, but sources say Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott wants the Denver market.

Denver has never been a college TV market, much less a Colorado Buffaloes TV market. It's all about the Broncos and pro sports.

But the thought is if you pair Colorado in games against Texas, Oklahoma and USC, the Denver market will tune in.


A&M LAST PIECE OF PAC-10 PUZZLE

The only potential stumbling point for the six Big 12 schools to move west was if Texas A&M's heart was in it.

The Aggies have been talking to the Southeastern Conference. Gene Stallings, who won a national title as coach at Alabama, is a regent at Texas A&M who has been VERY active in all the talks involving the Aggies and where they could land if the Big 12 fell apart.

Orangebloods.com has been told by sources that Gov. Rick Perry would encourage his alma mater to go where Texas goes to keep harmony in the Texas Legislature.

There is a state-run, multi-billion dollar mineral rights endowment for both Texas and Texas A&M called the Permanent University Fund, which was threatened by lawmakers the last time realignment happened (when the Big 12 was formed) if the two schools split up.

One thing that should be reassuring to Texas A&M is that in a move to the Pac-10 Texas all but loses its chance to start its own TV network.

That was a point of contention for A&M, which has an athletic department $16 million in debt and had to borrow that money from the school's general fund to pay it off.

That became a big rift at A&M between the administration and athletics department and may have contributed to the forced resignation of A&M president Elsa Murano, who wanted the athletic department to be more diligent in paying the loan back.

A&M was not excited about having Texas, with $125 million in revenue and its coffers overflowing, starting a TV network and adding yet another revenue stream that A&M couldn't match.

But with all schools on an equal revenue playing field in the Pac-16 (or whatever we're going to call this league), A&M's worries probably subside.

Stay tuned.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093010

hooody hooo

Bye bye Big12

 

[.zero]

This is from the ISU rivals site… Dude is calling it straight…

June 9, 2010

Paul Clark
CycloneReport.com Publisher
The most sobering aspect to all of the college athletic conference realignment and expansion talk is how helpless Iowa State is to control its own fate as a member of the Big 12 Conference. President Gregory Geoffroy and Athletic Director Jamie Pollard said as much in a statement last week:

"?we also recognize that the long-term viability of the Big 12 Conference is not in our control - it is in the hands of just a few of our fellow member institutions."

Ouch. That's a cold splash of reality water right in the face. But it's not news. Iowa State has been largely powerless in the dysfunctional Big 12 since its ill-fated conception back in 1996. It's always been along for the ride, at the mercy of other more powerful members, just keeping its head down and hoping the checks keep coming.

And that's because of Iowa State's historical indifference toward athletic success. Which is not an indictment of the current leadership. Obviously President Geoffroy gets it when it comes to the importance of athletic success. Pollard is currently overseeing what will probably be ISU's best year ever in terms of "all sports" success, at both the national and conference levels. At last check, Iowa State was #31 in the Learfield Cup standings. That's great, but one year doesn't define who or what you are. A century does.

And for a century and change, Iowa State didn't try very hard in athletics. Certainly they were trying within the athletic department and there were periods of modest success in this sport or that and even national prominence in some sports. ISU did some good things when it followed the paths of least resistance - the wrestling path, the gymnastics path, the cross country path. But in sports where lots of other schools were really trying, ISU was rarely up to the task. By its own choice.

If you choose to be a nobody, you likely will be successful in becoming one. Iowa State made its choice through the decades and now it faces the consequences. Maybe it was early in the century when the school was unwilling to finance a football stadium for its own team, forcing athletic director Clyde Williams to sign the bank note himself (along with a few other individuals). Maybe it was in the mid-century, grossly under funding sports and causing a revolving door of coaches that undermined any real chance at winning.

Maybe it later in the century when President Robert Parks vetoed the hiring of John Cooper as football coach, or when the best player on the football team (Steve Lester) was booted for academics?even though he was 100 percent eligible by NCAA and Big 8 standards. Maybe it was this, maybe it was that. Maybe it was any of a thousand anecdotal examples that could be pulled from the historical record and laid out as evidence. Maybe it was any of them, but definitely, it was all of them. Iowa State - the institution of higher learning and lower athletics - is wholly responsible for its current predicament.

This is what happens when a university doesn't care about athletic success. When the culture peaks at indifference and valleys at contempt as it pertains to institutional perspective and faculty attitude towards sports and athletes. When a university's leadership can't or won't see the connection between athletic success and higher enrollment, the connection between athletic success and higher financial giving, the connection between athletic success and higher academic resources. When pride gets in the way of prudence. When academia just can't admit that athletics is important and deserves the resources and commitment needed to be successful. When winning a battle becomes more important than winning a war.

So now here we are. The mistakes of 1910, 1930, 1950, 1970 and 1990 come to roost in 2010. Iowa State, which had the exact same opportunity as every other school in the country to choose to be successful in athletics, instead chose the other route and now faces the possibility of demotion to the second tier of major college athletics. And down goes the entire university with it, likewise demoted. Disenchanted alums give less money or no money. Fewer young people in Iowa grow up as Cyclones and are less likely to choose ISU, impacting enrollment. Television exposure plummets. A greater reliance on out-of-state students drives up recruiting and admission costs. Tuition continues to climb, perhaps at an even greater clip. A cash-strapped state runs low on options for maintaining two premiere research institutions as the American Association of Universities level. And so it goes.

Or, maybe NOT. When the dust settles, if nothing else, Iowa State and its community should exit this experience seriously pissed off. And that emotion should be used as motivation to change the future. Because you can't change the past. You can't dig up the failed ISU leaders of yesterday and slap them to sensibility and right the wrongs. But the future of the university and its athletics program can be changed. The decision can be made to be something more than just a hanger on, an also ran, a schedule filler. Obviously, decisions to climb the ranks of the Big 12 have been made in recent years at Iowa State and the results are starting to show. Too little, too late perhaps when it comes to saving ISU's hide this time. If Greg Geoffroy and Jamie Pollard show up back when instead of the likes of uber weenie Gordon Eaton and bumbling Max Urick, maybe we're not having this discussion. But again, can't change the past.

Mountain West Conference? Dominate it. A rebuilt Big 12? Dominate it. A reborn Big 8? Dominate it. Conference USA? Dominate it. The Frick and Frack 12? Dominate it. The conference name and panache are immaterial right now. What's important is that Iowa State dominates it to change who it is and what it is in the world of Division I college athletics. And if it takes being humbled and humiliated to really light the fire, so be it. Nothing else seemed to do the trick through the years. Iowa State can, entirely of its own free will, decide to dominate its new conference if in fact the Big 12 as we know it disintegrates. It's not complicated. Make the decision.

Will these trials motivate Iowa State to make a commitment to athletics so it is a shot caller the next time? Because, there will be a next time. There's always a next time. College conferences have always been in flux and always will be. ISU can't do much right now to affect the outcome of Shake Up 2010; that ship has sailed. But it can do plenty to affect the outcome of Shake Up 2020 or Shake Up 2030. And it can treat its fan base to a whole lot of right way ass kickings in the interim. It just has to be embarrassed enough and angry enough and motivated enough to make the decision to do so.

It's clich?when one door closes, another opens. Iowa State could soon be presented with the OPPORTUNITY to make dramatic changes for the better. What it does with the opportunity is entirely up to ISU. It can seize it or it can gag on it, time will tell. We know it should already have a set of contingency plans in place, plans it has been crafting for some time now. Because anyone who didn't see the gaping cracks in the Big 12 foundation wasn't paying attention. I'll give ISU the benefit of the doubt and assume it knew that it's been living in a crumbling house for several years now. With a set of plans in place, it's wait and see time. Wait and see exactly what happens, and then successfully execute the appropriate plan.

Change is scary. But curling up in the fetal position is never the right answer to being scared. Make your choice Iowa State and make your choice Iowa State fans. Are you going to face change with a commitment and plan to shape the future, or curl up in a ball and cry about it?

 

[KB824]

Serge, whats your take on Pac10 expansion and absorption of the Big12 South?

I like it a lot.

We're talking a lot of money going into the Pac 10, or Pac 16, whatever it is going to be called.

The real tragedy of it though, is that the premier BCS Championship matchups are going to be seriously reduced now.

Say goodbye to USC- Texas, or USC-Oklahoma, Oregon-Texas, etc... for the national championship. I think that unfortunately, it is going to come down now to the winner of the new superconference versus the winner of the SEC every year. Even with the Big 10 adding Nebraska, there is no way whatsoever that the Big 10, or the Big East and ACC will be able to hang with those two conferences, and that lack of variety could get very boring unless they institute a playoff system.

Does that make any sense?

 

[KB824]

I mean, not that it is going to matter to me anyway. USC probably won't be relevant for a few more years now. I'm still very curious to read what the NCAA found.

Its just amazing that all the parties who are connected with this (Reggie Bush, Pete Carroll), are gone now, and nothing can be done to them.

 

[.zero]

I like it a lot.

We're talking a lot of money going into the Pac 10, or Pac 16, whatever it is going to be called.

The real tragedy of it though, is that the premier BCS Championship matchups are going to be seriously reduced now.

Say goodbye to USC- Texas, or USC-Oklahoma, Oregon-Texas, etc... for the national championship. I think that unfortunately, it is going to come down now to the winner of the new superconference versus the winner of the SEC every year. Even with the Big 10 adding Nebraska, there is no way whatsoever that the Big 10, or the Big East and ACC will be able to hang with those two conferences, and that lack of variety could get very boring unless they institute a playoff system.

Does that make any sense?

I think with the formation of super conferences a playoff system will have to be implemented. That's what I see happening in the near future

 

[Bjerknes]

Glad to see USC get punished.

They better add a playoff system. It is the perfect time to do so... finally.

There is also talk of Maryland joining the Big Ten, but that doesn't really help except for basketball.

Interesting developments nonetheless.

 

[Vinman]

There are numerous reports that Nebraska has accepted an offer is poised to move to the Big10 any day now

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ts-nebraska-to-leave-conference-for-big-ten/1

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/report-nebraska-poised-for-big-ten-move.html

All this means is that the Huskers will DOMINATE another conference.....plain and simple !!

Ohio State and Michigan must be shaking in their high heels !!!

 

[Delle Alpi]

Michigan is nothing. The team is going to be average for a long period of time.
I am a big 10 fan, and I cheer for Michigan, but I had enough of seeing Ohio st having no competition, so it would amaing to freshen up the big ten.

 

[KB824]

All this means is that the Huskers will DOMINATE another conference.....plain and simple !!

Ohio State and Michigan must be shaking in their high heels !!!

Dominate. Another. Conference.

Right.

 

[.zero]

OSU jumps ship, PAC-10 bound

[FONT=&quot]Oklahoma State Next to Jump to Pac-10[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Originally posted Jun 10th 2010 9:54 AM PDT by TMZ Staff [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Oklahoma State Cowboys are blazing a trail to the Pacific-10 Conference ... according to a source -- and leaving the future of the Big 12 Conference in serious jeopardy.

A source in the OK State athletic department tells TMZ Sports the move is a "done deal." The Pac-10 just made it official that Colorado is also jumping off the Big 12 ship.

We're told it's "just a matter of time" before the OK State announcement is also made. It's been rumored that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M will also join the new super conference [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]. Nebraska, it's widely believed, will go to the Big 10.

As for why this is all going down -- our source says "everyone wants a playoff system ... and this is the first step toward doing it."

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[KB824]

That conference is going to be ridiculous. Oregon, Arizona State, USC (In about 14 years), Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Stanford, Cal.

Jesus

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You forgot Washingotn and Wash State...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

All this means is that the Huskers will DOMINATE another conference.....plain and simple !!

Ohio State and Michigan must be shaking in their high heels !!!

Jog on...

 

[KB824]

Wow, I just read the 67 page NCAA report.

Reggie Bush, you fucking piece of shit. Congratulations. Your greed took down an entire football program. I hope you tear your knees up on the first play from scrimmage in training camp you fucking loser.


I've been listening to ESPN radio, and the commentators and guests on the shows are absolutely shocked at the severity of the penalty. They feel as if the NCAA was trying to make an example, and were noting how problems in the Florida, Oklahoma, and Alabama programs were worse than this and they got less severe penalties.

Thank you, Reggie. Thank you very much.

 

[KB824]

And I'm not even going to get into the Kimberly Dunbar situation at Notre Dame, when she stole 1.4 million dollars of booster money and gave it to palyers and recruits, and also did sexual favors, and Notre Dame was penalized with losing 1 scholarship a year for 3 years.

 

[KB824]

Here, if you don't believe me.

Now be honest, you guys tell me what is worse. What Reggie Bush did or what Kimberly Dunbar did.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ncaa_college_football/30409

 

[Enron]

This whole Super conference thing is terrible for the current system of college football. The good thing is that it could force a play off.