Amauri "The Immovable Object" Carvalho de Oliveira (14 Viewers)

[Mohad]

This seems like the case of a manager trying to play a guy out of a slump. The more he tries to break through, the tougher it seems. A guy having his ass glued to the bench can do wonders for his attitude. I say give Immobile his shot, and if it doesn't pan out, then Amauri should be pissed off enough for having to sit to put some balls away. Also, if this team's not going anywhere, I want to see what some of these other guys can do.

 

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[Martin]

He has had just as many chances to score as he had last year. He just isn't putting them into the back of the net, Martin. You can't equate his inability to finish this year with US being better last year.

I don't get your argument. He was better last year, right? And now he's worse. So are you saying he spontaneously degraded or something? Or is it more like that there was something, you know, in his environment that made this come about?

 

[X Æ A-12]

He's a flop, but I honestly don't think it's necessarily his fault. The fact is we've had countless flops in recent times, the latest being Tiago who just left.

Now when you put all kinds of random crops into the soil and all of them flop, do you think it's the seeds there's something wrong with or the soil itself? We used to be a club that bought Vieri for less than 1m and sold him one year later for 10x the price. Not to mention Zidane. Del Piero. When is the last time we bought a player and frickin RAISED his market value?

See? It's not Amauri, it's Juve. Amauri maybe wasn't the right signing, but whose fault is that ffs.

Agreed, the coaching staff have been very suspect this season. One of the more disturbing aspects IMO is how we seem to have gotten more and more clueless as the season went on and now we fail at simple tactics. Its almost as if the longer our players are at the mercy of such incompetency the worse they get.

@ Esteban, Saying Amauri has little natural talent or that he is only good at heading the ball is silly. He showed at Palermo and for a while at Juve that he is very talented for a target man and has skills that most big strikers don't possess, just because we haven't seen his skillfull side in this abysmal team doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[Hust]

I don't get your argument. He was better last year, right? And now he's worse. So are you saying he spontaneously degraded or something? Or is it more like that there was something, you know, in his environment that made this come about?

What exactly about his envioronment has disintegrated his ability to score a goal? It seems strange that Trez can score, DP can score from one shot on goal, IQ can bang goals away...but when it comes to Amauri not being able to score since last spring which you seem to be forgetting was including last years team, Martin. You aren't making much sense. He did well until the second half of last season...so which team then are you plying as his excuse to why he can't score?

 

[Hust]

Agreed, the coaching staff have been very suspect this season. One of the more disturbing aspects IMO is how we seem to have gotten more and more clueless as the season went on and now we fail at simple tactics. Its almost as if the longer our players are at the mercy of such incompetency the worse they get.

@ Esteban, Saying Amauri has little natural talent or that he is only good at heading the ball is silly. He showed at Palermo and for a while at Juve that he is very talented for a target man and has skills that most big strikers don't possess, just because we haven't seen his skillfull side in this abysmal team doesn't mean it isn't there.

I will ask you the same thing I just did Martin. Why is it our other strikers can score goals in a fraction of the amount of time give to them? Amauri has consistently played ALL SEASON LONG (not to mention the second half of last season which was the beginning of his drought). When Trez/IQ/ get just a couple mins to play they score...Amauri, 90 mins later week in and week out can't...how do you two want to explain that? Our environment only effects Amauri? Come on....

 

[X Æ A-12]

I will ask you the same thing I just did Martin. Why is it our other strikers can score goals in a fraction of the amount of time give to them? Amauri has consistently played ALL SEASON LONG (not to mention the second half of last season which was the beginning of his drought). When Trez/IQ/ get just a couple mins to play they score...Amauri, 90 mins later week in and week out can't...how do you two want to explain that? Our environment only effects Amauri? Come on....

Amauri is on shit form I never denied that, but all the comments in this thread about him being "worthless" a "waste of space" and a "pathetic excuse for a footballer" are laughable. Stupidity seems to like to congregate in the Amauri thread, it saddens me to come to this thread and read how little some of the members here know about football players that play for their own team.

 

[Martin]

What exactly about his envioronment has disintegrated his ability to score a goal? It seems strange that Trez can score, DP can score from one shot on goal, IQ can bang goals away...but when it comes to Amauri not being able to score since last spring which you seem to be forgetting was including last years team, Martin. You aren't making much sense. He did well until the second half of last season...so which team then are you plying as his excuse to why he can't score?

Glad you asked. The wrong training. The lack of training. The wrong mental preparation. A lack of mental preparation.

Scoring is a motor skill. And it's something you have to do under pressure. Above all it's a question of being in a mental state where it all comes together just when you need to. A striker who's having a dry streak is nothing new, it happens all the time. The longer it goes on, the more he feels under pressure, the harder it is to get out of.

Apparently you and I have very different preconceptions about physiology and learning, because I don't believe that Amauri has "lost" his ability to score as it were, perished. No, he still has the motor skills necessary, but he's not "putting the pieces together" correctly, his head is messed up.

 

[Martin]

I will ask you the same thing I just did Martin. Why is it our other strikers can score goals in a fraction of the amount of time give to them? Amauri has consistently played ALL SEASON LONG (not to mention the second half of last season which was the beginning of his drought). When Trez/IQ/ get just a couple mins to play they score...Amauri, 90 mins later week in and week out can't...how do you two want to explain that? Our environment only effects Amauri? Come on....

Exactly. Different organisms respond differently to the same stimulus.

 

[Hust]

Amauri is on shit form I never denied that, but all the comments in this thread about him being "worthless" a "waste of space" and a "pathetic excuse for a footballer" are laughable. Stupidity seems to like to congregate in the Amauri thread, it saddens me to come to this thread and read how little some of the members here know about football players that play for their own team.

Kyle, at 3.5 million dollars a season this guy should be scoring more than once every 3 months. Agree or disagree?


20,000 paying ticket holders don't pay their hard earned money to see this guy flail his hands around whenever he loses the ball. Agree or disagree?

I have supported this guy for as long as I can. Now its time to move on. I will take this 3.5million Euros to a more consistent poacher. He has been useless this year and his lucky ass is only playing because of injuries. His time is running out quickly....thankfully.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Kyle, at 3.5 million dollars a season this guy should be scoring more than once every 3 months. Agree or disagree?


20,000 paying ticket holders don't pay their hard earned money to see this guy flail his hands around whenever he loses the ball. Agree or disagree?

I have supported this guy for as long as I can. Now its time to move on. I will take this 3.5million Euros to a more consistent poacher. He has been useless this year and his lucky ass is only playing because of injuries. His time is running out quickly....thankfully.

I made this post below about 30 or so minutes ago that is somewhat similar to your above one. I agree with you that he needs to do much better than he is currently but that doesn't change my opinion that he is still a quality player on bad form and suffering from the lack of coaching.

I think Amauri is a quality player and I have tried to defend him throughout his slump but this is starting to get ridiculous. I don't blame him entirely because it is difficult to judge any player under failerra but he is earning way to much $ for someone who has done so little.

 

[Hust]

Yeah, quality I agree. But when he is like the way he is now he deserves the bashing he receives. Ciro is on bad form, so maybe we should lighten up on him?

 

[aida86]

Amauri and Ciro Ferrara will be always remembered as the worst, amauri as striker ferrara as coach. Amauri sucks, send him to Rimini or Piacenza maybe he can grab a goal there.

 

[Hust]

The guy has decent enough crosses that should be good enough for him to head onto goal. Why does our CB (Chiellini) need to come up often times and do the dirty work for him?

 

[Username12]

It's not all about service, look at his movement, look at his control of the ball (for exapmle, he lost every single ball against roma). He is so static, when midfielders want to pass the pall towards him, he is just staying like buried in one place.

 

[Hust]

It's not all about service, look at his movement, look at his control of the ball (for exapmle, he lost every single ball against roma). He is so static, when midfielders want to pass the pall towards him, he is just staying like buried in one place.

I will sum up both of our arguments in one word.



Statue.




Others who oppose, please discuss.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Yeah, quality I agree. But when he is like the way he is now he deserves the bashing he receives. Ciro is on bad form, so maybe we should lighten up on him?

Why would you even say that last bit? Trying to compare the situation of an under performing coach to an under performing player doesn't make any sense.

 

[Cronios]

Amauri is not even trying anymore, smth has to change, his current role an position in our clubs does not benefit him, or us...

 

[Hust]

Why would you even say that last bit? Trying to compare the situation of an under performing coach to an under performing player doesn't make any sense.

You were suggesting that criticism in this thread is over dramatic or over the top...so I was asking that though both are under performing then the over the top criticism of Ciro should stop as well?

 

[X Æ A-12]

You were suggesting that criticism in this thread is over dramatic or over the top...so I was asking that though both are under performing then the over the top criticism of Ciro should stop as well?

I actually I agree that some of the criticism on Ciro has gone way over the top as well. He needs to be replaced as coach but the attacks on him personally and on his status as a bianconero are just as pathetic as the ones on Amauri if not more so.

 

[Hust]

Ok. Well, I don't think you were suggesting I was bashing them as "persons" just as performances, player, and coach.