Amauri "The Immovable Object" Carvalho de Oliveira (19 Viewers)
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Good post Alen, what I was thinking a lot of the time but without ever feeling the urge to post it.
Without the wingplay, nothing is created. It does befuddle me as to why the 4-2-3-1 has be dropped. That was working very well, not to mention Gio got a lot of playing time!
As far as the squandering chances argument, Iaquinta is king of this, fair enough he scores 1 in 10, Amauri doesn't get the high amount of chances IQ does. IQ's style is diff to Amauri. Amauri wants those crosses into the box from wide area, which he simply does not receive right now.
Without the wingplay, nothing is created. It does befuddle me as to why the 4-2-3-1 has be dropped. That was working very well, not to mention Gio got a lot of playing time!
As far as the squandering chances argument, Iaquinta is king of this, fair enough he scores 1 in 10, Amauri doesn't get the high amount of chances IQ does. IQ's style is diff to Amauri. Amauri wants those crosses into the box from wide area, which he simply does not receive right now.
My Paps who doesn't like Juve and Italian football in general, Wow'd twice only watching a Juve game with me
1st was last season after we beat Real home and away, and then Ale had a FK against Roma, I told him watch this, and it went in
2nd was Amauri's header in Sampdoria this season, you don't see a header that perfect a lot
1st was last season after we beat Real home and away, and then Ale had a FK against Roma, I told him watch this, and it went in
2nd was Amauri's header in Sampdoria this season, you don't see a header that perfect a lot
Some good insight about Amauri's recent form in the past few pages.
It is a fact that the striker suffers most when the team is playing horribly. And I feel for to a certain extent from that aspect and to another extent about his low confidence.
Now regarding what Alen mentioned about him with the crosses. That is all great and fine but is that really why we spent 25m ? Someone who could only score when the crosses are coming? Trezi and Iaq do that fine.
I thought he was brought in because of his strong play by holding the ball and bringing the other players around him. Fighting for balls and giving the defenders a hard time with his running. The guy is working hard on the second part by doing the first part horribly bad( not all his mistake as the movement has been lacking).
Now since the other strikers in a similar situation are Trezi and Iaq then lets compare them. All three didn't have the ideal playing time, whether its injuries or selection. All three don't have the ideal mental preparation (trezi's news about getting sold and the same with Iaq and Amauri's lack of scoring). All three had to deal with the torrid play around them.
Yet when I see Amauri play this year he is the least one to make any difference. Iaq runs the defenses ragged and trezi makes them look over their shoulders. And both of them scored and had the potential to score more.
I also don't want to believe that the Amauri from last year was just a fluke. I hope he gets back to form for the team's sake because he is the closest thing we have to the modern day striker.
It is a fact that the striker suffers most when the team is playing horribly. And I feel for to a certain extent from that aspect and to another extent about his low confidence.
Now regarding what Alen mentioned about him with the crosses. That is all great and fine but is that really why we spent 25m ? Someone who could only score when the crosses are coming? Trezi and Iaq do that fine.
I thought he was brought in because of his strong play by holding the ball and bringing the other players around him. Fighting for balls and giving the defenders a hard time with his running. The guy is working hard on the second part by doing the first part horribly bad( not all his mistake as the movement has been lacking).
Now since the other strikers in a similar situation are Trezi and Iaq then lets compare them. All three didn't have the ideal playing time, whether its injuries or selection. All three don't have the ideal mental preparation (trezi's news about getting sold and the same with Iaq and Amauri's lack of scoring). All three had to deal with the torrid play around them.
Yet when I see Amauri play this year he is the least one to make any difference. Iaq runs the defenses ragged and trezi makes them look over their shoulders. And both of them scored and had the potential to score more.
I also don't want to believe that the Amauri from last year was just a fluke. I hope he gets back to form for the team's sake because he is the closest thing we have to the modern day striker.
I agree with Alen that Amauri's terrible form this year is due to our lack of width upfront, but the truth isn't really in black and white though. It's true this formation doesn't provide enough crosses or even chances for Amauri to convert but his off the ball movement has not been up to standard in my opinion. There are so many instances when he just doesn't position himself well that I find it hard to blame everything on the formation.
Del piero and Diego always seem to be able to combine well, even if only for a short period of time. Amauri, however, always seems to be lost in the midst of our attacks, he doesn't seem to get involved at all. Instead, he just positions himself infront of three defenders and waits for a long ball to chest down. Whatever role has been given to Amauri this year has made up completely ineffective and has significantly damaged our attack.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't throw Amauri on the bench because I think the quality is clealry there. I would try and play different players though. We need players like Giovinco and Camoranesi out there as the stats clearly point out, and we also need players like Grosso and Caceres to step up and deliver the right crosses.
The 4-3-1-2 formation doesn't work with this team. Our wing play is virtually non-existent, and we do not have the speed or the flair to attack horizontally. I really feel for Diego because he's truly giving all he could possibly give on the field but all to no avail.
I don't agree that Alex and Amauri can't play together. The combination is no different than the Alez Trez partnership which was one of the most impressive this club has ever had. It's only a matter of finding the right group of players and integrating them into the right formation that complements our abilties rather than expose our weaknesses. It's unfortunate we have to do this so late in the season.
Del piero and Diego always seem to be able to combine well, even if only for a short period of time. Amauri, however, always seems to be lost in the midst of our attacks, he doesn't seem to get involved at all. Instead, he just positions himself infront of three defenders and waits for a long ball to chest down. Whatever role has been given to Amauri this year has made up completely ineffective and has significantly damaged our attack.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't throw Amauri on the bench because I think the quality is clealry there. I would try and play different players though. We need players like Giovinco and Camoranesi out there as the stats clearly point out, and we also need players like Grosso and Caceres to step up and deliver the right crosses.
The 4-3-1-2 formation doesn't work with this team. Our wing play is virtually non-existent, and we do not have the speed or the flair to attack horizontally. I really feel for Diego because he's truly giving all he could possibly give on the field but all to no avail.
I don't agree that Alex and Amauri can't play together. The combination is no different than the Alez Trez partnership which was one of the most impressive this club has ever had. It's only a matter of finding the right group of players and integrating them into the right formation that complements our abilties rather than expose our weaknesses. It's unfortunate we have to do this so late in the season.
Indeed a great part of Amauri's goalless streak lies in the lack of proper service!
Amauri certainly is much more better than his current form suggest now!
Our teamplay/system/formation most def does not serves him and the whole situation has affected him in many ways!
Amauri is not the only one under-performing due to technical reasons!
Since we made such an investment it makes absolutely no sense to sell him off now.
Considering that we dont even know if the system/coach/formation, or any other possible cause for the issues that affect him will be present in the near future!
There is no doubt that the lack of crosses played the role to his scorring!
But as Sateeh pointed out, Amauri ought to be more than that!!
He was never a prolific CF anyway.
We knew that Treze, DP even Iaq can be more reliable goalscorers.
This has been demonstrated beyond doubts now
(and it was one of the reasons i kept insisting that he is a wrong strategical decision)
Amauri made his name of being a Drogba-like CF, that creates his own chances and also has a decent ability to finish them! He was called a small beast for that.
An unstoppable forward, that many have claimed that he will solve our creativity issues and will compensate for the lack of proliferation.
Yet here we are now, having a playmaker behind him, with Grosso and Caceres providing him with crosses and yet Amauri never scores or at least help us effectively with out creativity issues!
This is where he disappointed me the most! I knew that he is not a great finisher and did not expect him to match the lethality of our other forwards.
I fully understand and have to point out, that being the single attacker and constantly have to face off at least 2-3 defenders for each and every ball, makes you feel isolated and helpless!
But Amauri, is strong, young and he should at least ought to try more!
How many times did we saw him trying sprints, 1-2 with Diego, long shots and apply pressure a la Iaquinta this year?
I cant accept that in the past games Sissoko had more shots and box penetrations than Amauri! Remember the Palermo Amauri, wasnt it the same Amauri who was playing all alone in front line?
Where is that Amauri? I dont expect him to score, but i do expect him to try.
How can this player can be out-ran and out-muscled in 1on1 from every serie B material defender we have faced recently?
Of course accurate crosses and more players drawing defenders away from him and create spaces will give him more chances, but is Amauri just it??
NO, i refuse to believe it, he is better than that!
The way we handled him was not good, we should start making changes when we saw that the situation doesnt helps him, neither us.
Now after all that time, Amauri will take some time to heal the mental wounds his proven ineffectiveness have inflicted to his self esteem.
He ought to be rotated better and try some different attacking schemes.
Unfortunately for him and us, our accidentations and lack of attacking plan and a coach able to provide one, have really messed up with him.
It is not his fault alone, in different conditions, he could flourish, but he is partially responsible for the situation he has created to himself.
All in all, he is still young enough to help us and can offer a lot given the circumstances.
But he is not at any case a difference maker like our incompetent management have thought he is...
Considering that Treze+DP are nearly done and he is not getting any younger, soon we will have to make a huge investment for a difference maker upfront...
Preferably a prolific finisher this time, who is always at the right place, at the right time (one step ahead of Amauri)
Amauri certainly is much more better than his current form suggest now!
Our teamplay/system/formation most def does not serves him and the whole situation has affected him in many ways!
Amauri is not the only one under-performing due to technical reasons!
Since we made such an investment it makes absolutely no sense to sell him off now.
Considering that we dont even know if the system/coach/formation, or any other possible cause for the issues that affect him will be present in the near future!
There is no doubt that the lack of crosses played the role to his scorring!
But as Sateeh pointed out, Amauri ought to be more than that!!
He was never a prolific CF anyway.
We knew that Treze, DP even Iaq can be more reliable goalscorers.
This has been demonstrated beyond doubts now
(and it was one of the reasons i kept insisting that he is a wrong strategical decision)
Amauri made his name of being a Drogba-like CF, that creates his own chances and also has a decent ability to finish them! He was called a small beast for that.
An unstoppable forward, that many have claimed that he will solve our creativity issues and will compensate for the lack of proliferation.
Yet here we are now, having a playmaker behind him, with Grosso and Caceres providing him with crosses and yet Amauri never scores or at least help us effectively with out creativity issues!
This is where he disappointed me the most! I knew that he is not a great finisher and did not expect him to match the lethality of our other forwards.
I fully understand and have to point out, that being the single attacker and constantly have to face off at least 2-3 defenders for each and every ball, makes you feel isolated and helpless!
But Amauri, is strong, young and he should at least ought to try more!
How many times did we saw him trying sprints, 1-2 with Diego, long shots and apply pressure a la Iaquinta this year?
I cant accept that in the past games Sissoko had more shots and box penetrations than Amauri! Remember the Palermo Amauri, wasnt it the same Amauri who was playing all alone in front line?
Where is that Amauri? I dont expect him to score, but i do expect him to try.
How can this player can be out-ran and out-muscled in 1on1 from every serie B material defender we have faced recently?
Of course accurate crosses and more players drawing defenders away from him and create spaces will give him more chances, but is Amauri just it??
NO, i refuse to believe it, he is better than that!
The way we handled him was not good, we should start making changes when we saw that the situation doesnt helps him, neither us.
Now after all that time, Amauri will take some time to heal the mental wounds his proven ineffectiveness have inflicted to his self esteem.
He ought to be rotated better and try some different attacking schemes.
Unfortunately for him and us, our accidentations and lack of attacking plan and a coach able to provide one, have really messed up with him.
It is not his fault alone, in different conditions, he could flourish, but he is partially responsible for the situation he has created to himself.
All in all, he is still young enough to help us and can offer a lot given the circumstances.
But he is not at any case a difference maker like our incompetent management have thought he is...
Considering that Treze+DP are nearly done and he is not getting any younger, soon we will have to make a huge investment for a difference maker upfront...
Preferably a prolific finisher this time, who is always at the right place, at the right time (one step ahead of Amauri)
amauri is like trez can't do really much outside the box ..needs creative stuff for him to be affective...but i still wish we had a young forward we can get the ball in midfield pass his man and shoot rockets outside the box.....
all we do is cross the ball into amauri i would like to see more shots ripped which would be good then u can get amauri to follow up on the rebounds...
sad.. we rarely shoot outside the box with our forwards
all we do is cross the ball into amauri i would like to see more shots ripped which would be good then u can get amauri to follow up on the rebounds...
sad.. we rarely shoot outside the box with our forwards
Haven't bothered posting here in a little while, but this was enough to warrant a compliment...so, brilliant and thorough assessment, with, most importantly, objectivity.
-edit. Unfortunately I cannot give you any +rep for it..."must spread it around more first". Not much else worthwhile to do so, however.
-edit. Unfortunately I cannot give you any +rep for it..."must spread it around more first". Not much else worthwhile to do so, however.
Amauri 
I agree Amauri is suffering because the lack of creativity within the Mids; but even Platini said himself a Foward must also be creative and have the ability to push foward building up pace for a successful attack. Sadly Amauri is the kind of attacker who waits for the links and perfect crosses instead of team play making such as CF, I guess we need another CF to bad we got rid of Miccoli
Thing is, when he gets a cross, he fucks it up. And then waves his arms, takes care of his hair and keeps failing. That's so disgusting, you all say correctly that he doesn't get much crosses, but no one talks about the ones he get. He could have scored way more, he had the chances but he didn't used them.