Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira (43 Viewers)

[Osman]

Giovinco is not a left-winger. That's not his position, never was, so don't make up stuff such as this either. He is either a trequarista or a second forward.

And fuck the board and anybody who thinks they shouldn't be criticized or even have their positions in the first place.

Giovinco CAN play left winger as I have seen him play, even if his prime position is Treaquartista. We need AM/LW, we are after Mancini, and we are after him it means our 4-4-2 is enough for a very hyper offensive winger/AM. While its being said Giovinco will be loaned or sold because he isnt defensive enough for 4-4-2, which is weird. A player like Mancini never works defensively and only attacks and has the work ethic of a forward. But he could still function in our 4-4-2. Dont get why one making it sound like we play catenaccio of the AM having to work alot defensively (Ranieri WANTS Giovinco, that should tell you he thinks he can play in our 4-4-2).

And our board is incompetent and NOT good enough. But there is a difference from criticising them for things they have done, and totally inventing of ways they have fucked up or will fuck up for sure (like you know for sure,) in a quite exaggerated way. There is a difference from reality, and the tons of stuff that is attributed to them and naturally said like its a fact they will do. Criticize them for what they do and is doing (there is enough). Not use ones vivid imagination and come up with every horror scenario and blame the management for what they WILL do or simply just for getting out of bed.

 

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I dunt want Gio go out on loan at all. Its enough of the experience gaining ,i hope he comes back this season to play for Juve. Screw Amauri ,he is not worth losing Gio in anyways.

Fuck him...we dont need him, and neither does the Azzurri

let this jerk go to Milan, and lets keep Giovinco :juve1:

There are few things I love more than the spirit of camaraderie among juventini when we all want to flame a bad transfer/trade idea. This could even top last year's Gabe Milito...

 

[francesco]

Amauri is a great player who is proven in Serie A, like somebody mentioned earlier, Juve signing him isnt a must, its a plus. Even if the board are silly enough including Giovinco in the deal, i dont think he'd accept joining Palermo, just like Palladino has. For this reason, i believe we wont sign Amauri, as we are not meeting that idiot Zamparini's demands.

 

[Gazzo]

Amauri is a great player who is proven in Serie A, like somebody mentioned earlier, Juve signing him isnt a must, its a plus. Even if the board are silly enough including Giovinco in the deal, i dont think he'd accept joining Palermo, just like Palladino has. For this reason, i believe we wont sign Amauri, as we are not meeting that idiot Zamparini's demands.

Giovinco has said before that Palermo is special to him (his father is from there)

 

[Salvo]

Giovinco has said before that Palermo is special to him (his father is from there)

there is no way we can give him to palermo, GOD NO!

 

[nkarelis]

giovinco is our next star(will replace del piero hopefully ...if we give him to parermo its gonna be stupid...the kid can prove himself with juve shirt,we must give him a chance.
amauri is great player and can help us a lot..but palermo demands are overpriced..jesus!
iam 32 years old iave been watching juve since i was a child and blanc and secco are stupid really stupid...do they know where they have come?...this is juve!

 

[Cronios]

I concentrated on you because I disagreed with you in particular, nothing more...

that would have been acceptable the first time, but why you kept going on that way ?

I dont see any reason why Giovinco wouldnt fit in our 4-4-2 (could have responded more thoroughly, but I would only be repeating everything that poster said who addressed you on this matter).
saying Giovinco is likely to be loaned out/sold because he is too offensive for a 4-4-2 IMO reeks of you trying to find reasons to a criticise board for the sake of it.
And he CAN play in a 4-4-2, one with a little freedom, we are solid defensively, but you act like we play catenaccio to the point we cant play an AM.

We have discussed it here, in several occasions, esp in the AMFs transfer thread, in Giovinco's thread and in most of the discussion involving tactics.
I ll try to make the very long story a bit shorter:
Our current formation suffers from creativity problems, CR inherited those problems among with the tactics that he inherited from Capello, through DD.
Our flat 4-4-2 leave very few options to respond against some certain type of tactics and opponents.
During all those years we lost a great amount of points and maybe even titles because of them! I would like to see those tactics changed ASAP. Giovinco would be the step in the right direction, he would be the player that would change the way our team plays after the Zidane era!
I personally believe in him and have high hopes on him!
But our current formation wont favor him, it generally amputates those kind of players and CR doesnt seem willing to change a formation to fit a player's skills.
ATM Giovinco is still very young and he lacks the power to do what Neddy does,
it is really unfair to ask from any young player to offer what Neddy does. And this is exactly what CR will ask from Gio, as this is exactly what he asked from Palla.
I was optimistic that we would change our scheme just a bit, a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 using a diamond would create a lot of space for Gio, BUT that would mean that we would need another CAM to help him for the times he would be suspended or injured, when our interest on Diego, VDV and other AMFs died, it seemed clear to me that we decided to keep the very seem formation.
The selection of a creative CF like Amauri indicates that we would rely on his efforts to create more chances instead of an AMF. The low interest on a new reliable LB, also indicate that a capable for defensive work LM will dominate this place, Neddy and Mancini can do that, Giovinco cant and even if he can adapt to this role, he wont be efficient and if he wont be efficient, he will be marginalized like Palla...

(in the Amauri stuff in general, its like you wouldnt mind them fucking up just so you can flame them).

I dont trust them and i have already seen enough of their disasters.
Trust me, i dont want to see anymore...
Many times over in these forums, we predicted a disaster coming and we were helplessly watching them, how they finalized it.
Both in transfer and other managerial decisions. I suffer watching our club being hurt that much and by so obvious mistakes! My posts here are just a far cry for this situation...

Dont remember when I was last active here, but thanks for the kind words nontheless.

I visited your forum and i knew who you are, thats why i expected for more.
I have seen what you are capable of and i am glad that we finally managed to reason!!:juve1:

Sometimes it's more fun that way. Strictly critisizing the post and not the poster is boring.

Yes it can be fun and it is also acceptable between friends, i am also doing when i want to break the ice, or when i want to make the discussion a little less tensed and finally when i want how far i can go with person without hurting his feelings,
but that was not the case here, i got fierce attack for my first here after a brake of 3.5 weeks
And the worse thing is that it seemed that it would keep going on like that, for no reason
I see no reason for that and i was sure that Osman was capable for much more than that, when somebody is a lost case , i dont insist, but i expected more from a man, that i believe i can reason with!

 

[Luftwaffles]

giovinco is our next star(will replace del piero hopefully ...if we give him to parermo its gonna be stupid...the kid can prove himself with juve shirt,we must give him a chance.
amauri is great player and can help us a lot..but palermo demands are overpriced..jesus!
iam 32 years old iave been watching juve since i was a child and blanc and secco are stupid really stupid...do they know where they have come?...this is juve!

Correct!

The Drughi have seen, for some time, Sebastian Giovinco as the heir apparent to Alessandro Del Piero.

Giovinco is our future. He is a proven talent that will guarantee him a place in the national team from 2009/2010, due to his universally acknowledged skills.

The Amauri deal is on the verge of being completed. However I sense that the negotiations have reached the point where, if our management are 100% intent on acquiring the Brazilian, the decision will be made in the next 48 hours as to the player(s) who will be 'sacrificed' to the demands of Zamparini. The amount of cash involved and the players mentioned so far make it look that the proposed deal to Juventus is not a good one. *

To be honest, I'd rather we took Gilardino and kept Gio. Then we can concentrate on what to do with an AMF i.e. Xabi Alonso, Hamsik, the wisdom of swapping Iaquinta for Mancini and finally, the serious need to land a versatile back four player of real quality whose primary reponsibility would be a left back.

* had I been negotiating with the Palermo madman for Amauri, the only offer I would have put forward to him would have been €15m plus Nocerino. Had he declined this offer, I would have broken off talks and intensified the search elsewhere in quick time.

 

[only-juve]

giovinco is our next star(will replace del piero hopefully ...if we give him to parermo its gonna be stupid...the kid can prove himself with juve shirt,we must give him a chance.
amauri is great player and can help us a lot..but palermo demands are overpriced..jesus!
iam 32 years old iave been watching juve since i was a child and blanc and secco are stupid really stupid...do they know where they have come?...this is juve!

Same here i've been supporting this club for the past 15 years and never saw such a stupidity.....Secco and others r acting as if they're managing a mid-table team, thats why to an extend (i think) they were suprised that juve were strong this year and actually defeated all the top teams. I really hope that they get a new transfer guru someone with strong personality other than secco and stop all this joke........

 

[Salvo]

i just dont understand how giovinco would be even considered, i hope ranieri puts a stop to this!

 

[Dostoevsky]

On Monday we'll know Amauri's future.

That one will be decisive meeting.

 

[zann]

Juve Fans Revolt Over Proposed Giovinco Sale
Juventus supporters have reacted angrily to reports that the club are preparing to sell 50 per cent of Sebastian Giovinco to Palermo.

Giovinco is widely regarded as one of the most explosive young players currently in circulation, and earlier this week Milan wonderkid Alexandre Pato named the 21-year-old as one of the top four youngsters in world football.

Despite this, reports have been strengthening in Italy over the past few days that Juventus are set to sell half of Giovinco’s contract to Palermo, as part of the deal that will see Amauri arrive in Turin.

This has infuriated Juventus supporters across the globe, who have flooded various websites almost unanimously to vent their spleen.

A poll on the site VecchiaSignora.com revealed that 90.5 per cent of fans were completely against even a loan deal, while just a meagre 1.5 per cent approved of a co-ownership deal.

Juventus fans have been heavily opposed to the club’s director of sport Alessio Secco for quite sometime now, following a string of blunders in the transfer market.

Any decision to release Giovinco to Palermo in a co-ownership deal could push their patience to boiling point.

goal.com

well channel4.com reported this too.

next step, demostrate outside the hq.
here we have a player like how gerrard is to liverpool.

 

[malducato1]

Do any of you people saying that Giovinco cannot play as a left winger watch the Azzurri under 21 games because if you do then you must be blind because a majority of his gmaes have been on the left flank as a winger.

 

[malducato1]

Fuck him...we dont need him, and neither does the Azzurri

let this jerk go to Milan, and lets keep Giovinco :juve1:

I agree 100 percent.

 

[rounder]

He plays as a traquerista with the U21 not as a LM.

 

[malducato1]

He plays as a traquerista with the U21 not as a LM.

That is his prefered psoition but I have watched every under 21 game since 2006 and they have played him on the left wing, the have played him on the right wing, they have played him as a support striker. he is verastile enough to paly any position in midfield and to be honest in the two years following him I have never seen him have a bad game in the any positions they fielded him at.

 

[Pingo]

Do any of you people saying that Giovinco cannot play as a left winger watch the Azzurri under 21 games because if you do then you must be blind because a majority of his gmaes have been on the left flank as a winger.

He is a traquerista...and he stated that...he loves to play in that role, behind the strikers...a classic #10...play maker...And Juve must start to think in that way, to build a team around him (like Werder did for Diego), not other way around...

ps: o yea Fuc** Amauri, we don't need him, he is a plus not a priority (like Cronus said)...Succko better keep Gio, De Ceglie, Marchisio and Lanzefame....

 

[malducato1]

He is a traquerista...and he stated that...he loves to play in that role, behind the strikers...a classic #10...play maker...And Juve must start to think in that way, to build a team around him (like Werder did for Diego), not other way around...

ps: o yea Fuc** Amauri, we don't need him, he is a plus not a priority (like Cronus said)...Succko better keep Gio, De Ceglie, Marchisio and Lanzefame....

Baggio was also a trequerista but few teams including the Azzurri actually played him at that position and his carrer turned out allright.

For the record I would love to see Giovinco to play that role for Juve but I don't see that happening as that role is a dying breed in Italy.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Media say that Drogba's transfer to Milan is a done deal....that means we have an open way for Amauri. Let's keep Giovincio and let then have Palla......but i'm so sorry for him,he's a great player that never had a real chance to play on his natural position......

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

ps: o yea Fuc** Amauri, we don't need him, he is a plus not a priority (like Cronus said)...Succko better keep Gio, De Ceglie, Marchisio and Lanzefame....

Yea,get away from proven scorer and give an oportunity to beardless rookies.....you would transform Juve FC into PARMA in 12months time.....