Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira (51 Viewers)

At what cost would you be ok with Amauri?

  • Giovinco + cash

  • De Ceglie + Criscito + cash

  • De Ceglie + Criscito + Giovinco

  • Nocerino + Almiron + Marchionni

  • Almiron + Marchionni + cash

  • Fuck no, don't want him at all

  • Almiron+cash


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malducato1

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Dec 26, 2005
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Giovinco can play anywhere in midfield. With the Azzurri under 21 team he was mainly played on the left wing, he has also played on the right wing, he has played in the center and the results are all the same he had excellant games at all positions. So i don't see why he won't fit in Juve's plan for next season.
 

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Thunderball

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May 4, 2007
731
I definitely believe Secco is this stupid, but I don't think Ranieri is.

He already vetoed one deal including Giovinco... I don't see why he'd suddenly agree now.

All this continued BS is making me wonder whether Ranieri has control, or whether he's changed his mind. He's a good football mind, surely he sees that Giovinco is more valuable than Amauri now and in the future.

A co-ownership could wind up costing them well over 10m euro... or worse, lure a big fish to buy out Palermo's half and enter into a very aggressive bidding war.

I don't think there's any shame in walking away from the table on this one. In fact, if Juve plays hard ball on Amauri/Palermo, it might improve their negotiating image, and teams might not try to screw them as much as they are now.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
if we had spent our money on hutelaar last season like we were supposed to, instead of on tiago and almiron we would not be in this situation with amauri and giovinco b/c we would not be in need of amauri thus giovinco would be safe.
 

Thunderball

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May 4, 2007
731
if we had spent our money on hutelaar last season like we were supposed to, instead of on tiago and almiron we would not be in this situation with amauri and giovinco b/c we would not be in need of amauri thus giovinco would be safe.
Its not even so much about money... its that Secco & co. pigeonhole themselves with ridiculous statements and actions that clearly aren't thought through. Finding decent strikers is not a terribly difficult thing to do, but Juve has taken the stance that no one is better than Amauri (which is misguided at best), and both Palermo and Amauri/Agent took note and are putting the screws to them.

Its pretty easy to see which moves are carefully considered, and which ones were afterthoughts. Iaquinta and Sissoko were clearly considered carefully... Tiago, Andrade and Boumsong were likely panicked afterthoughts.

I don't think Huntelaar was ready to come last season anyway.
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
27,519
I definitely believe Secco is this stupid, but I don't think Ranieri is.

He already vetoed one deal including Giovinco... I don't see why he'd suddenly agree now.

All this continued BS is making me wonder whether Ranieri has control, or whether he's changed his mind.
Yes, thats what i m thinking too, CR is our only hope here, he clearly has more experience than our whole board put together, but unfortunately his powers seem to be limited.
This is one of the reasons DD left, because he asked for more control, whilst CR keeps the balance with everyone and is only pleased to suggest and praise the players we have or we are about to buy!

our excuse for pulling out of of the Milito race was the ridiculous price Zaragoza wanted (look at his Barca performances. I'm glad we did pull out)
So our management had the sense to realize that Milito would cost too much, and pulled out. And the Milito was similar to the current Amauri situation. Both come after months and months of rumors. Remember how Milito was very very very close to joining us last summer? then we suddenly pull out because of Zaragoza's ridiculous demands. And out of the blue we sign Andrade.

The Amauri situation is exactly the same. Months and months of rumors and negotiations, the player is very very close to joining us, but Palmero and Amauri's agent increase their ridiculous demand. So don't be shocked if our management pulls out of this one as well, and we get a player we were did not think we would get.
Indeed that was our excuse, but not the cause,
when we were interested on him, Barca wasnt
and we didnt want to pay 2.5 mil more, than our initial offer to finish the deal when we had the chance.
We chose Andrade instead!

But this is not the same case here, we are negociating with an Italian club and we are willing to implicate players.
Those two transfer sagas dont look alike!
Their only common parts are, that they are both lenghty.
Our board may have orders from our shareholders/owners, not to give more money for a certain player, after a pre-determined maximum limit.
But Secco is free to use our own players as bargain chips.
So it is a clear and present danger that he will fvck up again, as he did so far!
I m sure that we wont pay more than the maximum price we are supposed to, but we may risk our material.
The interest on Amauri is more persistent and Zamparini sure knows how to take advantage of our noobish managers.
Milito was the right choice, we need a player to guarantee the future and the present of our defense, thats why we failed to make it happen, he was a tactical and strategical priority.
On the other hand, Amauri isnt a logical priority,not tactical, neither strategical, thats why it is bound to happen.
Our board has a tendency to make the wrong choices with clinical accuracy!!
 

Matteo4Azzurri

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Jan 7, 2007
865
Giovinco can play anywhere in midfield. With the Azzurri under 21 team he was mainly played on the left wing, he has also played on the right wing, he has played in the center and the results are all the same he had excellant games at all positions. So i don't see why he won't fit in Juve's plan for next season.
Only Secco, the village idiot, would fail to see.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
No actually, Cronios does, he said Giovinco is likely to be loaned out/half sold because for some reason he has no room in a 4-4-2 according to him (4-4-2's arent that defensive, AMs and wingers can play there without much defensive responsiblity, especially as we play with two pure dms, Nedved and Camo are just naturally hardworking players, and not just told to defend so much).

Unlike Secco (you read his mind I suppose), Cronios actually said so ;)
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
Some of u need to calm down and start coming to your own conclusions instead of basing your argument's on bits and pieces from various reports that were mostly bullshit to begin with. You're playing right into their scheme. These stories are designed to get reactions, and if u havent noticed, Giovinco is in and out of the Amauri deal every week. Y? So they have something to print. This saga is being drawn out by the media because of the very reaction that can be seen in this thread.

If people used there own reasoning, instead of letting speculation dictate their opinion, than they would realize Giovinco will be with Juve because he is good enough, is better than Brazzo and Palladino at LM, and because we cant solely rely on Nedved next season. That's on top of the fact that management have been quoted numerous times saying that he will return.
 

Thunderball

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May 4, 2007
731
Yes, thats what i m thinking too, CR is our only hope here, he clearly has more experience than our whole board put together, but unfortunately his powers seem to be limited.
This is one of the reasons DD left, because he asked for more control, whilst CR keeps the balance with everyone and is only pleased to suggest and praise the players we have or we are about to buy!

The problem DD had is that his coaching/managing resume was not nearly as extensive as Ranieri's. Yes, DD had very good results with Monaco, but he has only won one trophy, the Cadetti with Juve. Ranieri comes with 20 years of coaching experience, a Supercoppa, a Coppa Italia, and European Super Cup, as well as a history of setting teams up for success and most recently, saving Parma from assured relegation. Far from an elite coaching record, but still a more impressive resume and more impressive former employers.

I doubt Ranieri would have signed for Juve without some assurances, one being indirect, but binding control over player transactions. He had to have seen what happened to DD (probably even talked to him personally) and made those demands... especially seeing as in Chelsea and Valencia, he had a lot of input.

For that reason, I have hopes that if Secco is offering Giovinco, Ranieri is shining his boot to kick Secco's ass with.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
The problem DD had is that his coaching/managing resume was not nearly as extensive as Ranieri's. Yes, DD had very good results with Monaco, but he has only won one trophy, the Cadetti with Juve. Ranieri comes with 20 years of coaching experience, a Supercoppa, a Coppa Italia, and European Super Cup, as well as a history of setting teams up for success and most recently, saving Parma from assured relegation. Far from an elite coaching record, but still a more impressive resume and more impressive former employers.

I doubt Ranieri would have signed for Juve without some assurances, one being indirect, but binding control over player transactions. He had to have seen what happened to DD (probably even talked to him personally) and made those demands... especially seeing as in Chelsea and Valencia, he had a lot of input.

For that reason, I have hopes that if Secco is offering Giovinco, Ranieri is shining his boot to kick Secco's ass with.

I wish that was true, but the sings demonstrated it isnt, i am not a DD fan,
actually i was one of his big critics here, if you were here earlier you wouldnt have known, i dont want to defend his value as a coach, but i do respect him as a player and as a man.
Our board was pleased with his work,initially, he did his work!
CR wasnt the upgrade we were expecting, the experienced coach who would guarantee success by his sheer presence.Someone who would guide our club to its former glory/successes.
The reason we chose him involved some things our owners wouldnt prefer to publically admit. We have discussed this matter extensively about one year ago,
when you first joined here,
unfortunately, the salary and his willing to comply with the board choices were some important factors that determined the final choice in our coach short list.
Factors that should fit in our usual approach to find the right man and factors that should be worthless when our future and maybe even our entire existence as a FC are threatened.Such an important decision should ask for maximum sacrifices and shouldnt be an obstacle for a better coach, NOT at this moment!
These were not they only reasons, but they played their role to the selection of our coach and this proves how important they are for the ones in charge!

CR was not in a position to ask for more power than DD had,
but he is a smart man and i hope that he can work his way to become more influent.
Certainly his opinion is more valuable than DD's and he is probably the reason we got Sissoko and Secco reconsidered for the Giovinco case.
As long as there are no conflicts of interest, then Secco will try and make CR's will. But there is no doubt who the real boss is here.Our owners really trust Secco will work for Juve's interests and they afraid to replace him with a better manager just because they are afraid they wont find anyone else as loyal as Secco.
CR is smart enough not to oppose any threat and make some grave abjections, to Secco's will and our owners orders.
However, this is a positive point that proves that there are forces within our team that want Giovinco back and they tolerate/support CR's comments/efforts to bring him back.
This is the only thing that puts a smile in my face and i hope that, it will be proved to be decisive and determine the final outcome.
I dont know who impose us to buy Amauri and insist on him so much...


Shyne has a point there, certainly the media will do their best to dramatize the situation and create more interest.
But the direct quotes of players, directors, managers, presidents, etc
demonstrate, that this is not just a made up story, there is a real interest here and some serious complications!
These managers are not in a position to create the type of smokescreens Moggi used to create, this is just the maximum they can do!
They are vulnerable to manipulation and the press'es pressure proved enough, to dominate us for once!
There is little we can do for that, i dont think that Secco's accident was just a coincidence, Milan owned Blanc's big mouth and Secco's work at this very moment!
The press is a part of the game in mercato and our transfer's director is no longer in a position to control it!
 
Jun 19, 2006
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OK. What the fu*k is wrong with our management. We are selling 2 promising youngsters for a player, that we really dont need that much!!! Has secco lost his damn mind???

In this case, i'd rather buy gila for 10 mio eur, if secco wants an attacker that bad.

Offer zamparini nocerino and govinco on loan. If he does not accept that, then call the deal off.

As for amauri, either accept 3 mio eur, or go play for silvio
 
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