Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira (43 Viewers)

[Alen]

Gigli says that Giovinco will play for Juve next year, you read that article, you see that he said it and yet all of you are screaming "DO NOT GIVE GIOVINCOOO".

Ahhhh, some things never seaze to amaze me

 

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[Lion]

We'll be in Europe and play every 3 days, he'll get his chance and try to prove he can play more.

Zamparini wants players. Nocerino and Palladino said no so who do you think Palermo will want? Molinaro? He'll want Marchisio/Giovinco so do you make the deal? I certainly don't.

I agree that it's easier to find good strikers but I don't see younger talents who could score that many goals on a constant basis so I'd pay 20m to get him before he goes to another clubs and be worth 35-40m later.

so if we are going to play every 3 days then get the cheaper Amauri.

who cares if Palla and Rino said no. They can be persuaded to change their minds. plus we have like a million players on loan. There has to be some we can give away. And Marchisio is not Fabregas to make him look that important. We won't give away Giovinco.

And just because you don't see the young talent doesn't mean they don't exist
They are there. We just have to look better. instead of paying 20 million, let's pay 5 million and get a younger and more promiing player. We should really learn from Arsenal and Barcelona.

 

[Dominic]

Pay attention:

Del Piero is not bigger than Juventus. Juve always comes first. It's very simple, if Amauri or any of our forwards is playing better than Trez or Ale then that forward should should start. No 2 ways about it. No one is his right mind can deny Ale's infleunce on Juve. But at the end of the day, if someone is playing better, then I expect that payer to start.

And the reason all the fans were annoyed when Ibra started was because he was playing like crap while DP was on fire. That is all.

Yes it's simple really. The best players should play, same goes for the strikers. The best performing striker should play and I expect Amauri to be just that.

 

[Luca]

who can trust gigli though he said we would get 3 world class player last summer who were they exactly?

 

[Thunderball]

We'll be in Europe and play every 3 days, he'll get his chance and try to prove he can play more.

Zamparini wants players. Nocerino and Palladino said no so who do you think Palermo will want? Molinaro? He'll want Marchisio/Giovinco so do you make the deal? I certainly don't.

I agree that it's easier to find good strikers but I don't see younger talents who could score that many goals on a constant basis so I'd pay 20m to get him before he goes to another clubs and be worth 35-40m later.

Zamparini definitely wants players, but I think Ranieri has made it very clear that Marchisio, De Ceglie and Giovinco are untouchable. As mentioned, Gigli has also said Giovinco will be with Juve next season, and he typically tells the truth.

Nocerino said no, and Palladino isn't wanted there. Who says that Juve can only negotiate with those five players? maybe Marchionni, Almiron, Lanzafame, Mirante, Criscito, Bianco... hell, maybe even Molinaro? My guess is its Criscito... since Palermo is likely losing Barzagli this summer.

They're definitely overpaying for Amauri, lets hope he's worth it.

I can see Huntelaar coming, but not till summer 2009. I bet he stays one more year in Ajax.

 

[Mark]

so if we are going to play every 3 days then get the cheaper Amauri.

who cares if Palla and Rino said no. They can be persuaded to change their minds. plus we have like a million players on loan. There has to be some we can give away. And Marchisio is not Fabregas to make him look that important. We won't give away Giovinco.

And just because you don't see the young talent doesn't mean they don't exist
They are there. We just have to look better. instead of paying 20 million, let's pay 5 million and get a younger and more promiing player. We should really learn from Arsenal and Barcelona.

total cost wouldn't be that cheaper.

why put Marchisio in the same sentence when they don't have the same role. Marchisio was in our youth program and we should keep him instead of Nocerino IMO.

It's tough getting those "wonderkids" at 5m, the other clubs seem to be faster in getting them and take chances.

I'm not even sure if they'll cost 5m since some players that are 19-20 years old and potential 20 goal+ scorers already cost like 20-35m €.

 

[Thunderball]

who can trust gigli though he said we would get 3 world class player last summer who were they exactly?

In his mind, Andrade, Tiago and Iaquinta.

Of those, one is a flop, one is injured indefinitely, and one was a world cup champion, and a great addition, but not exactly elite.

 

[Lion]

yes those point are fine, but don't speak to me like i'm an idiot, OK?
But who is to deny ale with the form he is in, he's played well through thick and thin

I don't think you are an idiot. But you are still young and thus you lack some knowledge or insight and you get easily emotional, and can be easily misguided. These are things that almost all teenagers go through so don't feel bad

But at the same time those things also make you an easy target to pick on. That is the way life is.

 

[Mark]

Mutu

 

[Dominic]

Gigli says that Giovinco will play for Juve next year, you read that article, you see that he said it and yet all of you are screaming "DO NOT GIVE GIOVINCOOO".

Ahhhh, some things never seaze to amaze me

Nah, only the headline is read.

 

[vimo]

They are there. We just have to look better. instead of paying 20 million, let's pay 5 million and get a younger and more promiing player. We should really learn from Arsenal and Barcelona.

Name one young striker you can get for 5 millions. Take 10 millions even; name ONE 'more promising' (as you call it) player who can play 1st squad immediately and who can replace del piero in 1 or 2 years. (we all know he can't be replaced 1:1, but you get what i want to say)
It just doesn't happen like that. You can't buy an army of youngsters and hope 1 turns out to be good actually, when you are facing an ageing attack with CL, Coppa and Serie-A coming up next season. I said it like a thousand times already here on the forum; of course some Aguero or some pato would be a better move, but they cost just as much and they do not guarantee to make their impact immediately. Plus; think about it; would you rather pay 20-25mio for a huntelaar, and stick with noce, marchionni, and all our 1000 players we have around in italy or would you prefer to actually make use of our talent-work from the past years and use them to get a decent, above-average striker, who is used to serie-a football and who SURELY will score the one or the other goal. i mean he is scoring A LOT considering the balls he is served as a lone striker

 

[vimo]

In his mind, Andrade, Tiago and Iaquinta.

Of those, one is a flop, one is injured indefinitely, and one was a world cup champion, and a great addition, but not exactly elite.

well, andrade was just unlucky. He did great before that, and he surely was a good addition.
Tiago was just disappointing, it was a gamble on him, and it went wrong. We could of course blame gigli for that, but i'd put the blame on tiago himself, who just can't get used to serie-a (up until now... prove me wrong tiago!!!)
And Iaquinta IS excellent. what more do you want? he doesn't get any reasonable play time, yet he scored some very important goals, and had some impressing games imo. He's a world-cup winner for god's sake. He definately was a good signing.

Whether or not those 3 are world-class... it may be arguable, but all in all it was not that bad. And considering the fact that they made up their mistake in midfield (tiago) by getting sissoko, i can't really understand how you can critizise our board so harshly...

 

[Dostoevsky]

Yes it's simple really. The best players should play, same goes for the strikers. The best performing striker should play and I expect Amauri to be just that.

Me too.

Btw Mark I think you are underestimating Amauri and he will prove you wrong if comes.

I think we`ll keep Giovinco and we`ll return him at the end of the season.But I also think we`re going to include Marchisio in Amauri`s deal.Some co-ownership probably.

 

[Lion]

Name one young striker you can get for 5 millions. Take 10 millions even; name ONE 'more promising' (as you call it) player who can play 1st squad immediately and who can replace del piero in 1 or 2 years. (we all know he can't be replaced 1:1, but you get what i want to say)

Arsenal signed Adebayor for around 5 million....
Guiseppe Rossi joined ManU for a very small fee and then joined Villarreal for around 10 million...
Fenin signed for Frankfurt for 3.5 million.
Luca Toni signed for Viola for 10 million.
David Villa went to Valencia for around 12 million (higher than what you wanted but you see the class he is in)
Ajax signed Huntelaar for around 9 million euros.

should I go on?

 

[Dominic]

Me too.

Btw Mark I think you are underestimating Amauri and he will prove you wrong if comes.

I think we`ll keep Giovinco and we`ll return him at the end of the season.But I also think we`re going to include Marchisio in Amauri`s deal.Some co-ownership probably.

Gigli said today Giovinco and Marchisio are coming home. Call Gigli all you want, but I don't think he's lying about this.

 

[JCK]

Mutu

At least Secco admitted that selling him was a mistake.

 

[Mark]

At least Secco admitted that selling him was a mistake.

now I feel better.

Me too.

Btw Mark I think you are underestimating Amauri and he will prove you wrong if comes.

I think we`ll keep Giovinco and we`ll return him at the end of the season.But I also think we`re going to include Marchisio in Amauri`s deal.Some co-ownership probably.

I'm not underestimating him, I'm just saying we don't really need him and I don't like the price tag Palermo put on him.

 

[Thunderball]

well, andrade was just unlucky. He did great before that, and he surely was a good addition.
Tiago was just disappointing, it was a gamble on him, and it went wrong. We could of course blame gigli for that, but i'd put the blame on tiago himself, who just can't get used to serie-a (up until now... prove me wrong tiago!!!)
And Iaquinta IS excellent. what more do you want? he doesn't get any reasonable play time, yet he scored some very important goals, and had some impressing games imo. He's a world-cup winner for god's sake. He definately was a good signing.

Whether or not those 3 are world-class... it may be arguable, but all in all it was not that bad. And considering the fact that they made up their mistake in midfield (tiago) by getting sissoko, i can't really understand how you can critizise our board so harshly...

I didn't mean to come off as harsh as I did. Andrade was a great signing, assuming he could keep injury-free. Sadly, he couldn't, and assuming he's back, he might not ever be the same. It was a good gamble, but it fell short.

Tiago was a flop, and buying both him and the very similar Almiron was a mistake. He's put in some average efforts, but average is not good enough. I don't think he ever had the credentials to be considered "world class." Others might disagree.

Iaquinta was a great addition, don't get me wrong. He's provided a great tertiary option for the offense, and has proven capable as a forward and a winger. I was very happy he was signed. To me, he's the closest one to being a world class signing. He's just not quite at the level of the world class players that Juve had going in (DP, Trez, Camo, Nedved, Buffon) and I guess when someone says three world class players, I expected players of their level.

To Gigli, they made 3 world class signings. To me, it was more like 1 (Iaquinta) and a half (Andrade), and that is being gracious. It wasn't horrible, but that transfer period sure wasn't about 40 million euro well spent.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Gigli said today Giovinco and Marchisio are coming home. Call Gigli all you want, but I don't think he's lying about this.

I know but I don`t see the point when they are all linking us with tons of midfielders.

What are they planning to do with all of them?

We`ll have Sissoko,Zanetti,Marchisio and someone new.I hope Marchisio can get his chance that way.

If they don`t include him in that deal I`d offer 13mln euros + Nocerino + Marchionni.

And yes I think it was media bullshit by saying they don`t want Nocerino.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I'm not underestimating him, I'm just saying we don't really need him and I don't like the price tag Palermo put on him.

I agree he`s a bit over priced but yet again atm I think he can do better job than Huntelaar.

I agree we should find someone like him though as possible replacement for Trezeguet but maybe our staff think we can`t sign him?

I`m afraid if we offer some money for Hunter that Manchester would first pop up with offer like 30mln euros and 4mln per year.IMO,our staff did the same error they did with Ivanovic.They waited way too long to sign him and he slipped away.They could`ve at least had some pre-contract with him.Now sadly,I think he`s impossible target for us.