Alvaro Morata (55 Viewers)

want him back again for cheap?


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KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Morata appeared in 47 matches this year. How exactly is this him not getting minutes?

He is quite possibly my favorite player on this club, but let's not act as if he was a victim here. The kid went through nearly 4 months without scoring a goal.

As a striker.

Yet Allegri still gave him meaningful minutes, when all of the journalists, and 99% of the forum here wanted Zaza ahead of him in the pecking order.

If he leaves, then there is no way that this can be about playing time, or not being made to feel wanted. The kid was protected here,just like everyone else. Not once did anyone, from his teammates, to the coaches, to the board, threw him under the bus.
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,362
He's making a mistake if he leaves, but he's young, he'll learn. Too bad for juve although he isn't irreplaceable. Anyone who thinks he's a better option next to Dybala than mandzukic just doesn't understand how the game works. Mandzukic brings positional awareness, box positioning, and an ability to draw defenders away that morata just doesn't possess. He's a good young player with a significant upside, but just doesn't fit as well as mandzukic for this team.
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
Morata appeared in 47 matches this year. How exactly is this him not getting minutes?

He is quite possibly my favorite player on this club, but let's not act as if he was a victim here. The kid went through nearly 4 months without scoring a goal.

As a striker.

Yet Allegri still gave him meaningful minutes, when all of the journalists, and 99% of the forum here wanted Zaza ahead of him in the pecking order.

If he leaves, then there is no way that this can be about playing time, or not being made to feel wanted. The kid was protected here,just like everyone else. Not once did anyone, from his teammates, to the coaches, to the board, threw him under the bus.
+REP
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
Next time, Marotta should learn not to act like a provincial manager and acquiesce to a retarded demand (aka the recompra clause). I don't care if it is Madrid, Barca, or United. If we want a player, we either go all in or kindly withdraw. No need for half measures that might come back to bite us in the ass later (as is potentially the case with Both Cuadrado and Morata this summer).
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
He's making a mistake if he leaves, but he's young, he'll learn. Too bad for juve although he isn't irreplaceable. Anyone who thinks he's a better option next to Dybala than mandzukic just doesn't understand how the game works. Mandzukic brings positional awareness and an ability to draw defenders away that morata just doesn't possess. He's a good young player with a significant upside, but just doesn't fit as well as mandzukic for this team.
But for someone who allegedly doesn't fit, he logged some serious minutes this season.

Yes, Mandzu is a better partner for Dybala than Morata, considering that Morata's skill set is similar to Dybala's, and they would actually occupy the same general space in a match, but Morata also has unique skills that can be used in different formations.

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Next time, Marotta should learn not to act like a provincial manager and acquiesce to a retarded demand (aka the recompra clause). I don't care if it is Madrid, Barca, or United. If we want a player, we either go all in or kindly withdraw. No need for half measures that might come back to bite us in the ass later (as is potentially the case with Both Cuadrado and Morata this summer).
So, would you have spent more than 20 million on a then 21 year old striker who was languishing on the bench at Real Madrid at the time?

But of course, since the season is now over, you decide to show up again to point out everything that goes wrong.

That provincial manager also got us Dybala and Sandro this year. Without any clauses.
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
61,692
Next time, Marotta should learn not to act like a provincial manager and acquiesce to a retarded demand (aka the recompra clause). I don't care if it is Madrid, Barca, or United. If we want a player, we either go all in or kindly withdraw. No need for half measures that might come back to bite us in the ass later (as is potentially the case with Both Cuadrado and Morata this summer).
If it wasn't for the buy-back clause, he wouldn't have come here in the first place. It's the way Real do business. Maybe we could have negotiated a bigger sum than 30M.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,991
Next time, Marotta should learn not to act like a provincial manager and acquiesce to a retarded demand (aka the recompra clause). I don't care if it is Madrid, Barca, or United. If we want a player, we either go all in or kindly withdraw. No need for half measures that might come back to bite us in the ass later (as is potentially the case with Both Cuadrado and Morata this summer).
But we'd not have had Morata for the last two seasons...
 

VuvuzelaBzz

Son of a Shepherd
Jun 23, 2013
311
Next time, Marotta should learn not to act like a provincial manager and acquiesce to a retarded demand (aka the recompra clause). I don't care if it is Madrid, Barca, or United. If we want a player, we either go all in or kindly withdraw. No need for half measures that might come back to bite us in the ass later (as is potentially the case with Both Cuadrado and Morata this summer).
Yeah, we should've missed out on a CL final and a Scudetto out of pride.
 

GarfielD

Senior Member
May 21, 2009
13,423
Morata appeared in 47 matches this year. How exactly is this him not getting minutes?

He is quite possibly my favorite player on this club, but let's not act as if he was a victim here. The kid went through nearly 4 months without scoring a goal.

As a striker.

Yet Allegri still gave him meaningful minutes, when all of the journalists, and 99% of the forum here wanted Zaza ahead of him in the pecking order.

If he leaves, then there is no way that this can be about playing time, or not being made to feel wanted. The kid was protected here,just like everyone else. Not once did anyone, from his teammates, to the coaches, to the board, threw him under the bus.
This.

Thank you.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
If it wasn't for the buy-back clause, he wouldn't have come here in the first place. It's the way Real do business. Maybe we could have negotiated a bigger sum than 30M.
But we'd not have had Morata for the last two seasons...
Yeah, we should've missed out on a CL final and a Scudetto out of pride.
Here is what is going to be seen next.

"Then we shouldn't have done the deal in the first place"
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,362
But for someone who allegedly doesn't fit, he logged some serious minutes this season.

Yes, Mandzu is a better partner for Dybala than Morata, considering that Morata's skill set is similar to Dybala's, and they would actually occupy the same general space in a match, but Morata also has unique skills that can be used in different formations.
That's why he should stay. He still needs to develop and I think Serie A, and specifically Juve, is the best place to do that for a striker, even if he's not technically the starter.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
But for someone who allegedly doesn't fit, he logged some serious minutes this season.

Yes, Mandzu is a better partner for Dybala than Morata, considering that Morata's skill set is similar to Dybala's, and they would actually occupy the same general space in a match, but Morata also has unique skills that can be used in different formations.

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So, would you have spent more than 20 million on a then 21 year old striker who was languishing on the bench at Real Madrid at the time?

But of course, since the season is now over, you decide to show up again to point out everything that goes wrong.

That provincial manager also got us Dybala and Sandro this year. Without any clauses.
His mentality was provincial in negotiating that deal. He could've added a counter clause, or offered to pay an additional 25-30 million in two seasons, granting us the right of first refusal. It wasn't a forward thinking/visionary move by him. I am grateful for the acquisitions of both Dybala and Sandro, but will be pissed this entire summer for losing both Cuadrado and Morata (just like I was gutted when we lost both Coman and Vidal last year).

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But we'd not have had Morata for the last two seasons...
We could've negotiated a different type of deal. Did we have to bend over backwards cuz it is Real?!

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Yeah, we should've missed out on a CL final and a Scudetto out of pride.
Sarcasm not strong enough. Try harder next time ;)

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If it wasn't for the buy-back clause, he wouldn't have come here in the first place. It's the way Real do business. Maybe we could have negotiated a bigger sum than 30M.
No, we couldn't. Apparently, we did all we could, and we should be glad that Real were kind enough to lend us Morata for 2 seasons :rolleyes:
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
His mentality was provincial in negotiating that deal. He could've added a counter clause, or offered to pay an additional 25-30 million in two seasons, granting us the right of first refusal. It wasn't a forward thinking/visionary move by him. I am grateful for the acquisitions of both Dybala and Sandro, but will be pissed this entire summer for losing both Cuadrado and Morata (just like I was gutted when we lost both Coman and Vidal last year).

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We could've negotiated a different type of deal. Did we have to bend over backwards cuz it is Real?!

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Sarcasm not strong enough. Try harder next time ;)
For Cuadrado we've already gotten Alves.

Morata will be harder to replace definitely, but we'll figure it out. I doubt it'll be just Berardi.
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,362
Coman wanted to leave, it's not like Juve wanted to sell him. He didn't really earn playing time either the year he was here. Started off well, then just regressed. He looks a lot better than he actually is playing in Bundesliga. But I guess he's young so people fap over him. We sold Vidal a year early, but rather that than a year late.
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
His mentality was provincial in negotiating that deal. He could've added a counter clause, or offered to pay an additional 25-30 million in two seasons, granting us the right of first refusal. It wasn't a forward thinking/visionary move by him. I am grateful for the acquisitions of both Dybala and Sandro, but will be pissed this entire summer for losing both Cuadrado and Morata (just like I was gutted when we lost both Coman and Vidal last year).

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We could've negotiated a different type of deal. Did we have to bend over backwards cuz it is Real?!

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Sarcasm not strong enough. Try harder next time ;)

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No, we couldn't. Apparently, we did all we could, and we should be glad that Real were kind enough to lend us Morata for 2 seasons :rolleyes:
So in Marotta's position, what would you have offered more?
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
what kind of deal?

marotta said real insisted on the buyback clause. and now we'll get 30m for our 3rd striker.
So what if they insisted? This is what negotiating is about. They insist, and you persist. I'm not saying we should have paid 50 million for him back then, but at least given ourselves a better chance of keeping him when the time came for them to redeem/recall him.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
His mentality was provincial in negotiating that deal. He could've added a counter clause, or offered to pay an additional 25-30 million in two seasons, granting us the right of first refusal. It wasn't a forward thinking/visionary move by him. I am grateful for the acquisitions of both Dybala and Sandro, but will be pissed this entire summer for losing both Cuadrado and Morata (just like I was gutted when we lost both Coman and Vidal last year).
Here is the difference though my man.

Vidal and Coman wanted to leave. In fact, Vidal openly recruited Coman in the press for him to come to Bayern just days after he signed for them. And let's not forget that Juve got 40 million for Vidal. Just because us internet sporting directors valued him at more than that, doesn't mean that teams were lining up for a player that was A) coming off an injury plagued season, and B) went and nearly got himself and his family killed in the off-season. Not the first time that he had an alcohol related incident. Real Madird even went out of their way to release a statement saying that they were no longer interested in him.

As far as that situation is concerned, I tell other Juve fans to think about this for a moment. If it were Juve that were buying Vidal from Bayern, given the circumstances that had played out, and the pricetag was 40 million euro, how would everyone have reacted? We would have lost our minds.

Cuadrado was a free loan, and Chelsea insisted that there be no option to make it permanent. It was a no lose situation for Juve no matter how you look at it. They paid nothing for him, he provided some good moments for us, and now that is it. He goes back, without any sort of performance or appearance based obligation tacked on. If they can negotiate something, great. If not, well, thank you for the 1 year that you were here.
 

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