++ [ originally posted by USA Juventini ] ++
Give Totti the kind of players that DP has had around him, and you can guarantee that he would have more scudettos.
That is a fact that you cannot deny, that Alex has had much more support over the years.
There is nothing in life that is a guarantee, the players you mentioned like Zizou, Vialli, Deschamps, Davids etc are not that superior to what Totti plays with. Since Capello went there which is like 4 or 5 years ago and even with Zeman, Roma have had fantastic players. How can you possibly dismiss the claims of Emerson as a great holding midfield player, Cafu and Candela as world class wingbacks, Montella as a competent striker more talented than Inzaghi
As a striker there is little to choose between Ravanelli and Delvecchio imo cos under Zeman when DelV was playing as a striker he was actually scoring goals
I do not remember maybe save for 97/98 season Juve playing better football than Roma
Do you think it very easy playing with the likes of Trezeguet who does little else apart from scoring.
No I do not think that Totti would have found it that easy playing for Juve as the team would not be built around him and his strengths and how much would you think he would have done
Intangibles: Dp took over the number 10 shirt of one of the greatest Italian players and that is Baggio, the pressure he has to play under as Baggio fans would never ever forgive him for doing that is always there
Totti took over from a great Giannini but its not the same thing is it? Its been well documented that Totti is a Roma boy and was one of the ball boys during Roma's European final against Liverpool so he had to play under less pressure and with the added bonus of being the central figure in his teams plans
Do you think Totti would get the central role with Juventus if Zizou was there?
How do u think he would perform if he was shifted to the wing?
Its very easy to analyse and say this person would win so and so if they were in so and so teams but would they have influenced it?
You cannot say that for sure
Its not easy playing in a midfield that is totally bereft of creativity as ours but look at Roma, they have Chivu who is as talented as any of our midfielders, Emerson who is pure gold, Mancini who is a great find and wonderful talent. In short Totti is surrounded by Brazilians and talented Italians save for Tomassi while Dp has to make do with a team whose creative source is high on energy and endeavour but low on innate creativity
@Incubo if you read Zizou's post properly he was not defending Dp, he was actually trying to convince us that Roma is not shown abroad and thats why we know little about Totti.
I agree with you with the Dp state of mind but don't you think that damaging your knee cruciate knee ligament is devastating as the only player who I have seen fully recover from that is Rvd but Dp does irritate in the way he takes way too long to get back to form
I tell you what, in Euro2000, the player who actually impressed in the eyes of my pals and most managers and analysts here was Fiore
In fact Martin Oneill and some other guy was like he did not know what the fuss was about Totti but thats their opinion