Alexis Sánchez - Barcelona - ST (24 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

IMO, most of you are right when you see Sanchez as a more counter-attacking player. I would also say that he is not lost in possession style either though. I'd say he's more like a 60-40 balance between the two, favouring the counter attack.

But that's not a bad thing!

We don't have any forward options that work well in a counter attack except Matri because of his great movement. Mirko is too lazy to run the whole field, Quagliarella can't run period and Giovinco can only run (no brain). Llorente is questionable IMO. I don't want to rule him out completely but at this point from what I've seen, I can't say he would be a reliable countering option. Forget Anelka and whatever else we have on loan, they're not here next year.

Counter attacking is still a highly effective style of play not just to win games but to conserve energy throughout the season. It also lets you play worse players more comfortably. It's hard to fit in backups in a possession system because you need actual superior footballing talent to hold possession from another team all game. And then the obvious advantage of having TWO effective styles of play before you even factor in formations is a bonus when opponents are game-planning you.

FFS, we were countering against Celtic. Are we sure there will be no other times where it would be smarter to sit back? Of course there will be.

The games against Inter, Milan, Shakhtar and even Fiorentina at the start would not have had the same outcome if we could have switched gears and absorbed their pressure a bit easier or had a threat to counter that they had to respect. We are still susceptible to pressuring sides. IMO, we've been fortunate that most sides prefer to play timid tactics against us instead of pressuring us throughout the match.

Against Celtic we did not look good, I don't care what anyone thinks. The overall strategy was ok but the personnel did not perform it well with the exception of our defense and one player up top: Matri. If you take Matri, a player that can counter effectively, out of that game, I'm not even sure we win.

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I think Sanchez is a very good player, but better than JoJo? Come on

 

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[Zacheryah]

how was his scoring record at udinese ?

 

[TrezJuve]

12 goals in Serie A.

 

[Lo-Pan]

IMO, most of you are right when you see Sanchez as a more counter-attacking player. I would also say that he is not lost in possession style either though. I'd say he's more like a 60-40 balance between the two, favouring the counter attack.

But that's not a bad thing!

We don't have any forward options that work well in a counter attack except Matri because of his great movement. Mirko is too lazy to run the whole field, Quagliarella can't run period and Giovinco can only run (no brain). Llorente is questionable IMO. I don't want to rule him out completely but at this point from what I've seen, I can't say he would be a reliable countering option. Forget Anelka and whatever else we have on loan, they're not here next year.

Counter attacking is still a highly effective style of play not just to win games but to conserve energy throughout the season. It also lets you play worse players more comfortably. It's hard to fit in backups in a possession system because you need actual superior footballing talent to hold possession from another team all game. And then the obvious advantage of having TWO effective styles of play before you even factor in formations is a bonus when opponents are game-planning you.

FFS, we were countering against Celtic. Are we sure there will be no other times where it would be smarter to sit back? Of course there will be.

The games against Inter, Milan, Shakhtar and even Fiorentina at the start would not have had the same outcome if we could have switched gears and absorbed their pressure a bit easier or had a threat to counter that they had to respect. We are still susceptible to pressuring sides. IMO, we've been fortunate that most sides prefer to play timid tactics against us instead of pressuring us throughout the match.

Against Celtic we did not look good, I don't care what anyone thinks. The overall strategy was ok but the personnel did not perform it well with the exception of our defense and one player up top: Matri. If you take Matri, a player that can counter effectively, out of that game, I'm not even sure we win.

Great post, Mike. I totally agree on your points about the celtic game...A few people I spoke with about the game thought I was showboating a little when I shrugged my shoulders and said that we had played badly, and not so much we were lucky to have won the game, because even playing that poorly we never seemed likely to lose the game. It was just a rare occasion where our normal profligacy thankfully deserted us, and our opponents had not the technique nor intelligence to make the most of our wretched form. The majority of the match was our defence vs Celtic. Which goes to show how solid our defence is, even without Chiellini and Asamoah, but then again its against scottish opposition, which other than their hustle and bustle and warrior spirit and grit and the confidence bred through winning easily every single week in the league, is rather low in terms of quality. Yet even a team of thugs with a manager who lacks brainpower as well as melanin showed how effective basic pressing can be when playing a team who enjoys constant possession and has the players available to do that over 90 minutes. Barca didn't enjoy the celtic onslaught, they didn't like the physicality or the constant pressing. And neither do we.

Its something which needs to be addressed.

As Mike wrote. Matri appears our only striker with a natural tendency to sniff out and drift into open channels in the final third, he is also improving his lay-offs and through balls. Other than Matri, none of our attackers are particularly smart, other than Quags, who for one reason or another is nowhere near as popular a choice for Conte as Vucinic. Its a constant disagreement I find with our brilliant manager. Quags works harder, offers more to the team, is hugely more accurate, likely faster, but plays second fiddle to Mirko.

I'd be happy to see the back of the broody montenegrin, and add to the striking department a sanchez or better still a Jovetic. Matri and Llorente are prima puntas. Giovinco is good enough to be back-up to an SS, so we get rid of Mirko, and bring in Jojo. But what of Isla??? His natural best for udinese seemed to scream out for a 4-3-3.

Sanchez would be a great signing, because he is better than Gio and Mirko, one of whom would need to leave and it won't be the little man. We treat the players who have been with us since early in their career a little differently...i mean, looks at de ceglie. If he wasn't from the Juve creche he probably wouldn;t ever have worn the jersey of the first team, let alone managed as many games as he has.

The sanchez for Mirko move would be very positive. The midget brings a tenacity and drive to succeed which has never been seen in Vucinic.

 

[Klin]

It's not a matter of which player is better between Sanchez and Jovetic. It's about which player would suit us best, and that's the former.

 

[napoleonic]

It's not a matter of which player is better between Sanchez and Jovetic. It's about which player would suit us best, and that's the former.

not one of them but both.

don't have the money? then sell first.

 

[Cheesio]

It's not a matter of which player is better between Sanchez and Jovetic. It's about which player would suit us best, and that's the former.

IMO Jovetic is the better fit.

 

[Klin]

not one of them but both.

don't have the money? then sell first.

Hah.

IMO Jovetic is the better fit.

But he's not Moroccan?

 

[Gian]

It's not a matter of which player is better between Sanchez and Jovetic. It's about which player would suit us best, and that's the former.

I'm not too sure about that one, back at Udinese Sanchez was given a free role and was allowed to drift to both of the flanks. I think that's the best for physical fragile players like Sanchez or Giovinco, but it doesn't seem like we would consider such a role for our SS, hence why Gio is failing massively for the past 3 months. Sanchez also spended a lot of time in the center of the pitch making the side more of a 3-5-1-1.

I think Jovetic being able to move, pass and shoot in small spaces would suit us better. Just not enough to warrant 30M though.

 

[Zacheryah]

It's not a matter of which player is better between Sanchez and Jovetic. It's about which player would suit us best, and that's the former.

Jovetic would suit us better, sanchez is a questionmark at non counterattacking teams.

not one of them but both.

don't have the money? then sell first.

I admire your knowledge of finances and tactics

 

[Salvatore]

I'm not too sure about that one, back at Udinese Sanchez was given a free role and was allowed to drift to both of the flanks. I think that's the best for physical fragile players like Sanchez or Giovinco, but it doesn't seem like we would consider such a role for our SS, hence why Gio is failing massively for the past 3 months. Sanchez also spended a lot of time in the center of the pitch making the side more of a 3-5-1-1.

I think Jovetic being able to move, pass and shoot in small spaces would suit us better. Just not enough to warrant 30M though.

Alexis is far stronger.

 

[Trequartista]

I'm not too sure about that one, back at Udinese Sanchez was given a free role and was allowed to drift to both of the flanks. I think that's the best for physical fragile players like Sanchez or Giovinco, but it doesn't seem like we would consider such a role for our SS, hence why Gio is failing massively for the past 3 months. Sanchez also spended a lot of time in the center of the pitch making the side more of a 3-5-1-1.

I think Jovetic being able to move, pass and shoot in small spaces would suit us better. Just not enough to warrant 30M though.

Sanchez is short but he ain't fragile, the guy is built like a tank.

 

[Bianconero81]

Suarez>Benzema>JoJo>Sanchez>Anyone currently playing in attack for Juventus

 

[Goodfella]

Suarez>Benzema>JoJo>Sanchez>Anyone currently playing in attack for Juventus

Benzema is poop bruh.

 

[Lion]

villa> all of those.

commence movement in my general direction, brethren

 

[Bianconero81]

Benzema is poop bruh.

Nah Bruh. Benzema is in a team full of stars that is currently struggling. If we bought him here, he'd shine. Dare I say he'd have a Rooney/Van Persie like impact on our team

Think Eto'o, Sneijder, and Robben. What happened to them after the left Madrid? They exploded

 

[Goodfella]

Nah Bruh. Benzema is in a team full of stars that is currently struggling. If we bought him here, he'd shine. Dare I say he'd have a Rooney/Van Persie like impact on our team

Think Eto'o, Sneijder, and Robben. What happened to them after the left Madrid? They exploded

What about him impresses you? His goal ratio?

 

[Bianconero81]

He is a very technical player, and has a good touch on the ball. His goal scoring ratio isn't too shabby, whether with Lyon or Madrid, at 1 goal every 2.3 games.

He can be deployed as an SS, and is both strong and talented. His physical presence also impresses me

 

[Hydde]

IMO, most of you are right when you see Sanchez as a more counter-attacking player. I would also say that he is not lost in possession style either though. I'd say he's more like a 60-40 balance between the two, favouring the counter attack.

But that's not a bad thing!

We don't have any forward options that work well in a counter attack except Matri because of his great movement. Mirko is too lazy to run the whole field, Quagliarella can't run period and Giovinco can only run (no brain). Llorente is questionable IMO. I don't want to rule him out completely but at this point from what I've seen, I can't say he would be a reliable countering option. Forget Anelka and whatever else we have on loan, they're not here next year.

Counter attacking is still a highly effective style of play not just to win games but to conserve energy throughout the season. It also lets you play worse players more comfortably. It's hard to fit in backups in a possession system because you need actual superior footballing talent to hold possession from another team all game. And then the obvious advantage of having TWO effective styles of play before you even factor in formations is a bonus when opponents are game-planning you.

FFS, we were countering against Celtic. Are we sure there will be no other times where it would be smarter to sit back? Of course there will be.

The games against Inter, Milan, Shakhtar and even Fiorentina at the start would not have had the same outcome if we could have switched gears and absorbed their pressure a bit easier or had a threat to counter that they had to respect. We are still susceptible to pressuring sides. IMO, we've been fortunate that most sides prefer to play timid tactics against us instead of pressuring us throughout the match.

Against Celtic we did not look good, I don't care what anyone thinks. The overall strategy was ok but the personnel did not perform it well with the exception of our defense and one player up top: Matri. If you take Matri, a player that can counter effectively, out of that game, I'm not even sure we win.

spot on

 

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I admire your knowledge of finances and tactics